Anyone here subscribe to the whole idea behind the Illuminati??

[Kid_Niki]

I sure do! I will be voting for Kerry, but I really think it doesn't matter, and that this election has been decided a long time ago. I think the Skull and Bones are very REAL, and the fact that both men were and are members of this group tells it all! Why did Bush become the presdident in 00? Because there were some major foreign policy changes which needed to be made, but Clinton set the stage for these policies. I am currently leaning towards Kerry winning this fall. I don't think many things will change under him, but anyone thinking Hilary will ever be in the WH is dellusional at best!

Anyway, if you have ever researched anything about the Illuminati, you would know that they are HUGE into globalization, and both canadites hit on this, in different ways. Bush in his speach at the Republican convetion brought up employment in a "Global" market, while Kerry continues to talk about our place in the World as a leader with a positive image.

This subject is huge, but I think if people add their own piece for or against this idea, we can have a great resource!

What do you think?

[RoyGBiv]

1. No...

And it most certainly does matter who you vote for.

[Kid_Niki]

3. Sorry, localy, but not nationaly...

"And it most certainly does matter who you vote for."

It is sad that most people are not as concerned about local politics as they are national politics. I understand that there is a trickle down effect, but there are so many local and state issues that the federal government doesn't have any effect on, that are important. The whole gay marriage issue is one of those things (for now anywyas).

Besides, just because a canidate wins the EC vote doesn't mean the EC voter has to vote for them! The presidential race is BS, mostly, a big show.

[jdj]

25. That is such a good point.

it is taking local human tribal behavior and making it global, these rule by secrecy theories.

[RoyGBiv]

30. Hold yer horses there...

Who said anything about not being concerned about local politics. I am quite concerned about local politics and quite frankly more involved in them than I am national politics.

But elections for federal offices *are* important, vastly important, especially in the modern political age. The notion that they are not is a leftover from the 19th century.

As for EC votes, you have your facts merged. Many states now have laws that require electors to vote for the candidate to whom they are pledged. That is, the pledge is binding, and penalties can be enacted for not following it. Certainly the EC has problems, but these problems are not as simple as you make them sound.

[nadinbrzezinski]

2. Outside of a role playing game

NO

And it does matter who you vote for

[Columbia]

4. I'm voting for Robert Langdon myself

[T Town Jake]

5. LOL!

n/t

[Kid_Niki]

6. So you don't think that this world is run by a few really Rich men...

I think all of the pieces fall into place almost to well! Anyway, if you don't agree then thats cool, but you have to admit, it is very funny that these two guys were both in the Bones, and that right there is a big issue!

[T Town Jake]

9. Just to be clear, who do you mean by...

..."these two guys"?

[Kid_Niki]

10. Kerry and Bush..

I'm not even getting into the PNAC!!!

[T Town Jake]

12. "Kerry and Bush"?...

...so, you are or you're not voting for Senator Kerry this Nov. 2? Yes or no, please, thanks.

[maveric]

7. This guy thinks so. And sometimes he actually makes sense.

http://www.davidicke.com/icke/visitor.html

[Spider Jerusalem]

15. But most of the time he's a raving bloody lunatic.

Like the whole thing about how descendants of Charlemagne...and thus all extant European royals, and most US presidents and UK prime ministers are shape-shifting alien reptiles(funny...I'm a descendant of Charlemagne, along with probably MOST people of European ancestry...my shape-shifting powers haven't manifested yet)...this sort of nonsense is for gullible, ignorant, and stupid people, but then there are a lot of them out there.

[Andy_Stephenson]

22. Icke is good

Dis info. Truth mixed with fantasy.

BTW I am neither gullible, ignorant, or stupid. Just another critical thinker.

[airstrip1]

23. Oh Lord help us !!!

David Icke used to be reserve goalkeeper for Coventry City before he became a BBC soccer reporter.

http://www.ynw62.dial.pipex.com/icke.htm

His views on his former clubs recent decline might be interesting but as otherwise he is strictly 'away with the fairies' as the Irish would say

[stavka]

8. FNORD

I'm not going to say or imply anything else.

I will allude to the British Royal Family's control of cocaine, and through them Hollywood.

If everybody understood how a little a piece of the puzzle the Elders of Zion play - this would be so much easier to explain.

Thank you Steve Jackson, and good night!

[T Town Jake]

11. "the Elders of Zion"? That's anti-semitic bilge...

...plain and simple.

[geek tragedy]

24. I believe he's referring to a role-playing game

Which should be taken about as seriously as references to the Illuminati in real life.

[Zinfandel]

13. An absolute, Yes!

[soothsayer]

14. bush vs. Kerry is Rothschilds vs. Windsors (or do I have that backwards?

Anyway, yes, Kerry will win....!

[SmileyBoy]

16. Reminds me of a Kids In The Hall sketch:

Where they talk about "The Five Jew Bankers".

[Union Thug]

17. Ewige Blumenkraft!

Adam Weishaupt = George Washington? Mayor Daly = Illuminatus? 17 17 17 17 ..

I don't know man. You'll have to do a whole lot more convincing. I love Robert Anton Wilson, but please....

:-)

On edit, I wanted to add that, yes, I do think the mega rich are pulling many of the strings that our various economies bounce on, but I don't think there is any need for a secret society to cover it. It's all pretty obvious, and the rich never fail to flaunt the 'fruits of noble birth'. Power is all they need, no esoteric pseudo religious brotherhoods necessary! At least not in this day and age!

[Spider Jerusalem]

18. Heute die welt, morgens das sonnensystem!

17 and 23...the Law of Fives..."Now broadcasting LIVE from Illuminati World Headquarters, Agharti, Sea of Valusia"...if you don't see the fnord, it can't eat you...

[bobbieinok]

19. some straightforward history on the Illuminati in Klaus Epstein's book

The Genesis of German Conservatism

a very long and thorough book....section on the Illuminati is in the early part of the book

[Aries]

20. It would be interesting to ask some of these folks...

but of course their answer would have to be off the record:

http://www.bilderberg.org/2004.htm#participants

CURRENT LIST OF PARTICIPANTS
S T R I C T L Y C O N F I D E N T I A L

Honorary Chairman - Davignon, Etienne - Vice-Chairman, Suez-Tractebel

Honorary Secretary General - Taylor, Martin - International Adviser, Goldman Sachs International
Nationalities of participants followed by names and partial portfolios

N - Auser, Svein - CEO, DnB NOR ASA

D - Ackermann, Josef - Chairman, Group Executive Committee, Deutsche Bank AG

I - Ambrosetti, Alfredo - Chairman, Abbrosetti Group

TR - Babacan, Ali - Minister of Economic Affairs

P - Balsemao, Francisco Pinto - Chairman and CEO, IMPRESA, SGPS, Former Prime Minister

ISR - Barnavie, Elie - Department of General History, Tel-Aviv University

I - Benedetti, Rodolfo De - CEO, CIR

I - Bernabe, Franco - Vice Chairman, Rothschild Europe

F - Beytout, Nicolas - Editor In Chief, Les Echos

INT - Bolkestein, Frits - Commissioner for the Internal Market, European Commission, former leader of Dutch right wing Liberal Party VVD.

USA - Boot, Max - Neoconservative, Council on foreign Relations, Features Editor, Wall Street Journal

CH - Borel, Daniel - Chairman, Logitech International S.A.

I - Bortoli, Ferrucio de - CEO, RCS Libri

S - Brock, Gunnar - CEO, Atlas Copco AB

GB - Browne, John - Group Chief Executive, BP plc

NL - Burgmans, Antony - Chairman, Unilever NV

F - Camus, Phillipe - CEO, European Aeronautic Defence and Space NV

I - Caracciolo, Lucio - Director, Limes Geopolitical Review

F - Castries, Henri de - Chairman, AXA Insurance

E - Cebrian, Juan Luis - CEO, PRISA (Spanish language media company), former Chairman, International Press Institute

TR - Cemal, Hasan - Senior Columnist, Milliyet Newspaper

GB - Clarke, Kenneth - Member of Parliament (Con.), Deputy Chairman, British American Tobacco

USA - Collins, Timothy C - MD and CEO, Ripplewood Holdings LLC, Yale School of Management, Trilateral Commission

USA - Corzine, Jon S. - Senator (D, New Jersey), Chairman and CEO, Goldman Sachs

CH - Couchepin, Pascal - Former Swiss President, Head of Home affairs Dept.

GR - David, George A. - Chairman, Coca-Cola Hellenic Bottling Company SA

B - Dehaene, Jean-Luc - Former Prime Minister, Mayor of Vilvoorde

TR - Dervis, Kemal - Member of Parliament, former senior World bank official

GR - Diamantopoulou, Anna - Member of Parliament, former European Commissioner for Social Affairs

USA - Donilon, Thomas L - Vice-President, Fannie Mae, Council on Foreign Relations

etc....

[Minstrel Boy]

21. I think getting snared on the word "Illuminati" is a mistake.

There's no reason to get hung up on Adam Weisput.

But does a generational class of above-the-law global pirates network in a web of "think tanks" and secret societies and conspire to accrue even more of the Earth's wealth and power to themselves? Absolutely.

[jdj]

28. yes, and there's probably more than one group and they are

all probably loosely linked and playing each other all the time.

Who on earth is stupid enough to believe reality is what comes into their brain through their eyes and ears. Only fundie pawns take that stuff at face value, which is why they are so easily manipulated.

[Dr Fate]

26. I used to subscribe to comic books.

Now I just buy them at the store.

I think Masonic conspiracy theories make a GREAT backdrop for comic-book villianry.

[yardwork]

27. I think you are giving way too much credit to college kids

The only issue with Skull and Bones is that it is a good old boy network that provides patronage. That's it.

[jdj]

29. it may be a way for rich college-age homosexuals to bonk each

other without having to pay for it later on in life.

A M.A.D. buggery pact.

Otherwise, what is the big freaking deal...