If the worst case scenario comes to fruition and Bush wins....

[Hello_Kitty]

Would it be possible to initiate an impeachment crusade against him and Cheney as was done to Clinton in his 2nd term? I mean, all they ultimately were able to get on him was lying about a blowjob and they nearly brought him down! Chimpy and Crashcart have so much more dirt on them its not even funny. If the Senate and House remain in GOP hands, is there any chance that Dems can get an Independent Counsel appointed and get them run out of office and, hopefully, indicted and convicted? I'm serious about this. I'm admittedly a political novice; this is the 1st time in my life I've ever been motivated to volunteer for a political campaign or get involved in any way. Many of you on this board are very knowledgeable so what do you think? Will they do it?

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[alittlelark]

9. OH, and I am CONDESCENDING

I've gotta write momma....she'll be so proud!!!!

[Hello_Kitty]

12. I'm sure she will dear.

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[Hello_Kitty]

19. That sounds really bad

And I'm sorry. My childhood sucked too. I had no intention of seeming unkind, or clueless or soul-less but you attacked my post and me. When attacked, I respond. I really just wanted to ask that question in my original post, not to imply that Kerry will lose the election. I am working ferociously to see that he wins. I have been phoning, canvassing neighborhoods, and registering voters practically every day. These are not the actions of someone who thinks the candidate is not viable. I'm trying to improve my own knowledge of politics so that I can be more useful and effective. So it really stings when someone ON MY OWN SIDE is sarcastic when I ask for some information or clarification.

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[tuvor]

6. Wise us newbies up, then.

What's your problem with the post?

[alittlelark]

7. "Bush Wins" that's my problem.....

...it is a crock of SH*T. * is so far out of the race that the corporate polls are at this point only 'glossing over'. I know of 1....1 person who will vote for * this election.



* is toast.

[Hello_Kitty]

10. Well, I did say "worst case scenario" after all.

Which, as we know, DID happen in 2000. Gore won, remember? Elections can be stolen.

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[Dookus]

22. I gotta second that

seriously, lark... there's no excuse for this.

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[rniel]

35. maybe

the polls are all slanted to the right to set it up for a diebold takeover legitimacy plan.

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[Joe the Revelator]

20. This kind of stuff has GOT to stop..

not everyone who posts something that you don't want to see is a freeper hiding in the bushes.

I have nearly 800 posts, are you going to accuse me of being a newbie troll to?

Edit: not many "trolls" would take the time to donate to DU like the starter of this thread, either.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

2. Not bloody likely.

The independent counsel statute is no longer in effect, and the chances of a successful impeachment effort are exactly zero without a strong Dem majority in Congress. Kerry has to win, period, or we are stuck with that criminal enterprise for another four years, and God help us.

[tritsofme]

4. Won't happen

With redistricting in Texas, and the extremely high reelection rate of incumbents, the House is safely in GOP hands for quite a long time to come, barring some cataclysmic shift in the electoral picture.

That being said, even if we could get a razor thin majority in the House, since we don't have every single person in our caucus by the balls like they do in the GOP, its unlikely that we could find enough votes to impeach and send it to the Senate for conviction, which once again, there is no chance we would find a supermajority willing to convict..

[MaraJade]

11. Really, I actually hope. . .

That the chimp gets a second term, because he will do so much damage to so many people that REPUGS WILL BE OUT of political office in the US for fifty years. No REPUGS from 2008 until 2060 or 2070 sounds okay to me! That chimp is the "Herbert Hoover" of the twenty first century. It's the PETER PRINCIPAL at work. We ought to pay out
enough 'rope' so that he hangs himself,so that he rises to his own full level of incompetance and dies there. Four more years of his current policies (especially the tax credits for outsoursing US high
tech, high-pay jobs to other countries) will do it. When the majority of us are working for $6.50 per hour at Wal-Mart and have
been forced to declare bankruptcy, when mortgage forclosures reach record rates, when one to two thousand more valuable young people have been fed to the oil barons' canons in Iraq (and God knows where else), the REPUGs will be out for a human lifetime. It happened before-- I want it to happen again.

I say BUSH in 2004! Let's make it Happen! Vote BUSH in 2004!

[tritsofme]

14. Thats what we all said after Watergate

I was convinced that "Those Republicans are disgraceful crooks and there will never be another Republican President in our lifetime"

Needless to say, things didn't turn out that way.

Ah, to be young and idealistic.

[alittlelark]

16. brensgrrl (or something similar)

has 'insightful posts' doesn't she

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[Morning Dew]

32. Hoping for a Bush win is like hoping for the destruction of the U.S.

A second * term will most likely damage this country to the point where it would take 50 years to recover.

[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

42. Hoping?

The end of the US is coming, the best we can hope for is unraveling like the USSR instead of having the gory, decades-long civil war that the freepers seem to crave.

The reason to vote against Bush is to prevent a coalition of European countries, Russia, China, etc. from forming up against us once we get too scary. Them's the fireworks, people.

[Surf Cowboy]

45. There's a part of me that is with you.

I mean, fuck 'em. I almost can't wait for him to win so I can start verbally attacking and berating Repugs when they complain about anything. I mean, they will have had control of the country in its entirety (judicial, executive, both legislative branches) for almost a decade by the end of a second term, and if things are shitty, then there will be only Republicans to blame.

War? Well, Repugs started it, knowing it wasn't kosher.

Economy? Well, you got your tax cut, now shut the fuck up.

High Property Taxes? Well, you got your fed tax cut--where did you think the $ for your schools and roads would come from? Shut the fuck up.

Education? Hey, there was no child left behind by the Republicans.

Environment? What's your problem? You voted for ENRON and EXXON to control our energy and environmental policies, so put your respirator back on and shut the fuck up.

So, if he wins again, and you don't want to relocate to Belize, just verbally abuse and blame all the repugs you know whenever they complain.

[amjsjc]

18. Unfortunately no...

The Republicans hold a majority in both houses of congress, and their support for W is such that they'd never vote to impeach him.

[UNION.JACK]

23. To vote or not to vote that is the question?

But fortunately they can vote for a different party at the next election.

As a matter of fact there are an enormous number of Republicans pissed off about this war as there are Democrats.

Are you aware that half the electorate in America have never voted at all? One can only hope they are mainly republicans.

By the way I think Kerry would make a memorable President but he has one big problem: He is a Catholic!!! there has only been one other Catholic President in America and that was Kennedy, and old Joe bought and paid for the privilege through the nose , he called in every IOU he ever had to make it happen. Once Bush gets his God squad evangelists on the job who knows what will happen. It's still to close to call as it has now developed into a personality contest as seen by the rest of the world.

[Vogon_Glory]

26. If Not Us Now, Then Someday...

If progressives are frozen out of US political and economic decision-making the way the Boosh regime and its GOP allies are bent on doing, I suspect that it might be curtains for the Democratic Party.

Not that I think progressivism will go away. I think that its political expression will take a newer and far more militant turn. I suspect that something will arise along the lines of a Huey Long and the popular rage and the organization of the Peronists back in the 1940s. That movement will play far, far rougher than the Democratic Party currently does and far, far rougher than today's Radical Right would be bargaining for.

I think that movement's likely takeover would mean the end of the constitutional republic of the United States in fact as well as in theory.

I don't know if I could support such a movement on its road to power. But I would stand out of its way and I could gleefully drop a dime on the Republican/"conservative" operatives it targets for castor oil, head-shaving, and vengeance.

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[InLoveWithLegolas]

34. I'm new too.

I have been reading this site for a while but I've been too afraid to post because of how some people are treated when they are new.

I've never been very political, but as I get older I have become more interested in politics.

I'm very tired of the attacks on a Vietnam Vet. My father was killed in Vietnam when I was only six months old, so obviously I don't support that war.

[Puglover]

41. welcome to du!

It says right in the rules...you need a thick skin....and you do but most people are great.

[rasputin1952]

43. Welcome to DU...

Sorry to hear about your dad.

We lost many a fine man, and a few good women over there...:(

Never be afraid to post how you feel, the vast majority of members are spectacular, and the rest are pretty good...:D

[shimmergal]

29. We'll need to think strategically.

True, if the Repubs. still have majorities in both houses it may look grim. But then maybe the effort should start there first. Look at the good work Harry Reid did in persuading Jeffords to go independent. There should still be a few moderate Republican senators who don't like what their party has become, and might be amenable to changing.

In the House, there are 435 representatives, all of whom probably have some secret in their background that they don't want to come out. Target those hard-case Republicans whose districts have a real chance of swinging the other way in a special election. Nobody will want to give up their seats before the next election, but with enough scandal hanging over them, they might have to.

The cases of Gary Condit and of the Dakota guy who killed someone while speeding are instructive. Condit could hang in there as long as his biggest sin was adultery (though he did get defeated when he ran again). With a murder charge pinned on him it would have been almost impossible (and there are some who think that's exactly what part of the press were trying to bring about.)

Now, it would be worth digging to find out what some of those other characters want kept quiet.

Of course, there's always a chance that evidence will bring down Smirk or Sneer themselves--if Fitzgerald ever gets incontrovertible evidence on the Plame matter, for example. Or Cheney might have another heart attack. Or Bush might just self-destruct on live TV. We can't count on fate to make any of these happen, but we don't have to stand in their way, and in fact enough aggravation can make even (or especially) the most "resolute" crack.

We can't give up, no matter what. I sure hope Dem Strategist is thinking along these lines too.

[IdaBriggs]

30. I asked the same thing the other day...

Go here for the answer from Walt Starr: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=793387

Quick summary: articles of impeachment have already been prepared, but the Republican controlled House won't let them be presented.

Also, welcome to DU, and please ignore the paranoid one. Its been a rough week!

Best, Ida

[NoSunWithoutShadow]

33. Welcome ccbombs

Welcome from another gold star low post number DU'er.

You posed an interesting question. Maybe not impeachment, but scandal.

Washington Monthly asked 16 people from all political points of view to write about about the likely consequences of a second term for *.

This is a good article by Kevin Drum. The first three paragraphs:

"What do we have to look forward to if George W. Bush is elected to a second term? One word: scandal. "

"Don't believe me? Consider the highlight reel of reelected presidents over the past 50 years. Ike won a second term and watched in dismay as his chief of staff was forced to resign over a vicuña coat. Richard Nixon buried George McGovern in 1972 and then resigned a year and a half later when Watergate finally caught up to him. Ronald Reagan sweated out his second term wondering if he'd be impeached over Iran-Contra. Bill Clinton didn't have to wonder: Two years after his reelection, he was defending himself in the first impeachment trial in over a century."

"Coincidence? Don't believe it. There are three good reasons to think that second terms naturally lend themselves to scandal, and George Bush is almost preternaturally vulnerable to every one of them. Let's count them off."

More here:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0409.drum.html

and the 16 articles:

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/features/2004/0409.bushforum.html

[HamdenRice]

37. Here's one scenario: Moderate republican coup

As other posters have mentioned, it is extremely unlikely that there could be an impeachment simply because the Republicans control the House which must vote on articles of impeachment. Only if things go so badly that in the midterm elections of 2006, the Democrats gain control of the House and Senate could there be an impeachment.

On the other hand, there is so much scandal and corruption in this administration, that I could see a "coup" by the moderate wing of the Republican party -- or what's left of it.

Mainly what I am trying to descrube is a removal of Bush in which the Republican party retains control of the process -- which is not what happens during impeachment, when historically the party that is not the president's party controls the process (Republicans controlled the process when Johnson was impeached after the Civil War; Democrats controlled the process with Nixon and Republicans controlled the process with Clinton).

The republicans would have to go after Cheney BEFORE Bush, because a Cheney presidency would be a catastrophe. Cheney would be forced to resign. They would force Bush to pick a moderate VP of great stature -- either McCain or Powell. Then Bush would resign.

This would actually be dangerous to the Democrats, because either a McCain or Powell "savior" presidency would be popular and would restore the image of the Republicans from "fucking crazies" (to use Powell's term) to decency.

[wkirby]

39. We need one of the houses . . .

to pull that off. If we were able to either get the Senate or House of Reps., we could investigate this President like they did Clinton and then you might see some action. Without that, look for him to have a pretty easy second term.

-Will

[yodermon]

40. Depends how the House ends up.

If the Dems can gain a majority, and in the Judiciary committee, impeachment could happen.

Any summary info out there on how the House races are shaping up?

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