Holy crap...Daily Show was weirdly good tonight

[Shadowen]

First, Back in Black finished in dead silence. Not because it was bad, but because the audience was in utter shock. (Lewis was highlighting the existence of silver coins featuring the WTC on one side and Freedom Tower on the other, made from silver found in a vault discovered underneath the rubble.)

Secondly, Pat Buchanan and I agree wholeheartedly on something: Iraq.

That almost scares me, considering what he (at least I think it was him) said after 9/11. But Pat, for all that he's a hardcore fundie, seems uncommonly astute about political realities. (I.e., in November 2000, he said, 'No way did all those Jews vote for me.')

Surrealer and surrealer.

[SemiCharmedQuark]

1. Didn't Buchannan try and shill his "it's Kerry's fault" thing though?

[grace0418]

3. Yeah, but John shut him down pretty well

I loved when, after Buchannan said something about Bush being confident and steady, John said "Yeah, he drove us into a wall but he had his eyes open the whole time!"

[KeepItReal]

4. He tried, but Jon Stewart stopped that crap

He told Buchannan that Kerry was just just 1 vote out of 100 Senators and you can't blame only Kerry for the Iraq war instead of the "guy driving the bus" (Bush & Co.). Pat didn't go there again after that.

[dennis4868]

40. Pat always blames....

Kerry for voting for the IWR.....and when he usually does this on regular political shows the other guets and host love it and let him get away with his stupidity....BUT NOT JON STEWART....he stopped him in his tracks!

[librechik]

51. That;s a perfect response! Everyone remember this! n/t

[Lindsey]

2. It was Pat Robertson and Jerry Fallwell that made the 9/11

comments if you're referring to (paraphrasing) God lifting the veil off of the U.S. because of the gays, the ACLU, People for the American Way, and the feminists - in reference to why 9/11 happened according to those nut cases. I don't think Buchannan is nearly as bad.

[renoray]

5. Lewis Black made me uncomfortable

Not in a bad way. Its just amazing those things exist. Not amazing...sad. Its too bad they don't have hours to spend interviewing the people that thought those items were a good idea.

As for Buchanan... I was canvassing with some other volunteers last weekend and the old timers were talking about when they lost total faith in the repugs. Iran/Contra. Watergate. Ken Starr. The usual list. For one person it was Buchanan's speech at H.W.B.'s convention. I pointed out that Buchanan was an insane radical back then, and now he is a moderate. We all agreed that Buchanan is insane, but at least he is consistent. WAY TO GO PAT!

[grace0418]

8. Yeah the tower of goodies

from 1800Flowers for Patriot Day was really creepy. As was the silver coin. I think people were just too creeped out and disgusted to laugh.

[leesa]

24. Isaw that add for those coins and I was appalled.

I immediately called the toll free number, but it's a recorded "give me your money" thing but I did leave a message stating they was disgusting when they asked me to state my address. Made me feel better anyway.

[pansypoo53219]

14. if ya go to ground zero

they are still hawking (is cheesy the right word to call this shit?) plastic memorials to an ugly building. just because it was destroyed, don't make it stonehenge.
yuck. i was more moved by the little church that is finally getting it's day in the sun again and survived.

welcome to crapitalism.

[JHB]

58. Yeah, but don't blame they guys selling it...

...they're just trying to make a living from NYC's 3rd oldest profession (street vending).

Blame the manufacturers, and even moreso, the people who BUY that crap.

[IrateCitizen]

25. "Cowie the self-wetting cat"

I'm surprised that nobody said anything about the contrast between "Valor the Eagle" and Black's alternative, "Cowie the Self-Wetting Cat".

Lewis Black was certainly walking the tightrope between "black humor" and complete tastelessness tonight. And to be honest, that is when comedy is often at its best -- when it forces you to laugh at the things in life that are the most tasteless and disgusting.

I thought his last statement -- "Thank GOD they saved the SILVER!" -- was dead-on, albeit dripping in sarcasm. I think the audience was just so damned stunned by it all by that point, that they almost forgot to laugh. But Lewis got it back when he stood up as if to take on the audience.

I'm sorry I missed the Buchanan interview, but I've heard Pat enough times to know his deal by now. He says a few things that make you think he's sane, and then he goes off the deep end again. I'll give him credit for consistency and honesty, but I'll never fall for the idea that he's some kind of moderate -- he's ultra-conservative, just in an old-school way.

[Gloria]

6. Jon corrected Buchanan when he started on the "Kerry voted for

the war" crap. Jon said he voted for leverage, authority, and quoted Teddy Roosevelt ..."Speak softly and carry a big stick"....He then acted out Bush using the big stick...which nobody expected....

[dansolo]

55. I don't believe any president should have the authority

That the IWR gave to Bush. You can nuance it all you want, but Congress abdicated its responsibility. If they were itching for a war, then they should have formally declared one, period. I don't like giving the Executive branch so much latitude. This Congress, Republicans and Democrats alike, and repeatedly rolled over to the Executive Branch, continually abdicating their oversight responsibilities. That is not a good thing, no matter who is in the White House.

[K-W]

59. If we stuck to the constitution that closely,

we would live in a very different country and alot of liberal reforms would be completely removed.

As long as congress has to authorize the war, I think it fits the constitution just fine.

The war powers act, however, not so clearly constitutional.

[DerekG]

7. The Oprah segment was surreal as well

Consumerist hysteria at its ugliest.

[Shadowen]

11. If you'd just been given a $28,000 car...

No questions asked, no strings attached...would you not hump it too?

[Skittles]

22. honestly, I would not have accepted it

I don't need billionaires giving me cars; I'd prefer she give it to poor person, not as a publicity stunt

[LuminousX]

31. The audience was pre-screened, they were all 'needy'

and needed a car.

Publicity and an act of charity, and act of charity that can't be written off so let her get the publicity.

[Skittles]

38. just curious

how will they pay the taxes on the cars?

[ellie]

42. I think I read that either

Oprah was going to pay the taxes or Pontiac was.

[Skittles]

44. sweet

:D

[booksenkatz]

57. Just for the record...

Pontiac donated all the cars, Oprah didn't buy them, plus Pontiac is paying all taxes and fees on behalf of the audience members.

Clever way to launch a new product, in my opinion.

Now back to your regularly scheduled thread.

[Cheswick2.0]

33. those were people who needed cars

one couple was driving two cars with more than 400k miles on them when added together.

[SCDem]

45. My husband is proud of his Chevy S-10 with 300,000+ miles on it

[Misunderestimator]

20. No, a lot of women in need of a car reacting as would be expected

if someone gave them a new car out of the blue. :eyes:

[LuminousX]

32. Agreed. The audience was prescreened, these women needed cars

so it wasn't just an extravagent gift, it was offering them something that will enhance their lives. The reaction wasn't one of consumerist greed, it was one of joy - pure joy, at having a heavy burden lifted off of their backs.

[Bandit]

43. Jon went off a little I thought.. almost a Bulworth moment

I felt Jon went a little overboard with his audience is a piece of crap comments and his all politicians suck inference. I think the audience was a bit stunned as well.

[Mojambo]

9. Stewart did a very good job with Buchanan

He was much more forceful in his rejections of questionable statements then he normally is.

Looked like Jon took the "big boy" interview pill tonight.

[Hello_Kitty]

10. Pat kinda gave Kerry some advice too

When he said that Kerry should stress the fact that the war is not going well and we went under the wrong premise so we need a new team in there. I also got the feeling he didn't want to endorse either candidate, with his comment about how his vote didn't count in his state.

[Gore1FL]

12. Silver Coins

I didn't see the segment, but those coins are utter crap.

The commercial says they are governemnt issue, but briefly states the governemnt ins N. Marshall Islands. Then they talk about the purity of the silver -- but then say it is clad.

So basically, you have a small layer of silver over a piece of something cheap(probably zinc) issued by a foreign country to sell to U.S. citizens at a high price who think that someday the coins will be worth something.

On top of that, the obvwersse and reverse are tacky.

I am guessing Freepers are the target market.

[JI7]

16. it's the type of crap i see advertised on fox news often

along with other wtc, reagan etc memorabilia.

[truthspeaker]

27. They're worse than tacky, they're ghoulish!

I saw the ad for them last week. I think I have outrage fatigue, it didn't occur to me just how sick they are until I saw Black's piece.

[LuminousX]

34. Tainted Silver

[Swamp Rat]

13. The Daily Show brought much needed levity in this household...

as Ivan lurks at out doorstep. My dad and I couldn't help but laugh our asses off at the "Back in Black" segment - Louis's little improv bit at the end was hilarious! Jon did a nice Buchanan smack-down too.

[Xenus Sister]

15. Loved the bit about the assault weapons with Stephen Colbert

(talking about how great it would be if everyone had assault weapons)

Colbert: "...there's evidence that it works. Look at Iraq. Everybody there has assault weapons and they've been successful in holding off a much more powerful occupying force. I think that's a model we could all learn a lot from."

That got a roar from the crowd! And me.

[JNelson6563]

17. Brilliant!

Great stuff, thanks for posting. I missed show and won't be able to catch re-run this morn.

"A model we should follow...." LOL!!

Julie

[Guava Jelly]

18. when pat is right hes dead on when hes wrong hes really really

wrong.
don't be ashamed I agree with him on alot of things

[Dem2theMax]

19. Didn't Pat say something to the effect of

"we let the WAR in IRAQ distract us from the WAR on TERRORISM"

As in, they are TWO different things Herr Bush! Had to LOL at that one. He'd go in for a dig at * and then twist it to dig Kerry at the same time. aaarrrggg. But he still made me laugh at the terra stuff, because he was dead on. Now if only the freeps would GET IT!

[Skittles]

21. I've never despised Buchanan the way I do other conservatives

I dunno why, I guess because he is what he is and he doesn't hide what he is and he doesn't always GOOSE-STEP to the party line. He just doesn't strike me as phony the way most republicans do.

[BleedingHeartPatriot]

29. Buchanan had a good line tonight re: running for President

When Jon asked him if he'd run for President again, he replied,"The American people have spoken about Pat Buchanan as a presidential candidate;;" Funny and self deprecating. It was a pleasant surprise to see him in that light. MKJ

[LuminousX]

30. While I despise the man's politics; he has personal integrity

He is self-consistent which is always honorable, though his bubble-universe scares the bejeezus out of me. He is one of those people I can agree to respectfully disagree with. When he was on Crossfire, I always felt he laid out cogent arguments, never got shrill, and was willing to stick with the bigger concepts instead of getting caught up in the petty details.

I used to have a similar respect for Bob Dole and John McCain. Sadly, all the respectable conservatives prefer whoring themselves to BFEE instead of standing up for what is right.

Let's face it, when you have someone like Pat saying 'I thought Ted Kennedy was right...' we live in a fucked up time.

[Skittles]

39. ya know, you are right

that's where I got my initial exposure to Pat - on the old Crossfire. Oh I loved that old format - my fave was Michael Kinsely. Such a dorky naive-looking fellow but man he could just sock it to those repugs.

[NoPasaran]

36. Pat's a nut, but not a dangerous nut

He's kind of a historical relic really, a last spokesman for the Taft Republicanism discarded long ago. Pat's views can be entertaining since he speaks from somewhere out of the current political universe.

[RobinA]

50. I Think

it's that he's a nut, but not an insane nut. He's always internally insistent. An ideologue, but only incidentally a partisan.

[A Brand New World]

23. Pat Buchanan - I agree

I didn't catch last night's show, but I've heard Buchanan speak lately, and I agree, he makes a lot of sense sometimes. Never thought I'd say that but with Iraq, he is right-on. Also, he did know back in 2000 that he did not receive all of those votes that should have been Gore's. Just think, we wouldn't be in this Bizarro World that we're in now, if those stupid ballots had not been screwed up.

[truthspeaker]

26. Jon was great, really spoke his mind and engaged Buchanan

He and Buchanan had an actual discussion of issues, more substantive than anything you'd see on a "real" news show.

And Stewart didn't pull any punches. Called the Iraq invasion the worst mistake the US has made in his lifetime. Buchanan agreed with him.

[Vickers]

28. Did you notice how many times Buchanan said "neocons" ???

That word just might enter the national consciousness yet!

I think he is pissed that his party has been hijacked. Can't blame him.

[Vickers]

49. I counted...he said it 4 times in a 5 minute interview

Think he's fond of the neocons?

[atommom]

35. Anyone know when this one will be rerun? I missed it! :(

[NoPasaran]

37. 7PM Eastern, 6PM Central tonight

[Vickers]

41. It's on Comedy Central on the east coast right now!

Git thee to a TV!

Stephen Colbert (sp?): "And that's why this assault weapons ban has to be lifted...for the children."

Har!

[skooooo]

46. What was Black's point?? I don't get it...

...I guess it's kind of odd that someone would press coins from silver in the WTC, but? Not all that strange. Am I missing something?

[truthspeaker]

54. Extracting silver from the site of a mass murder? And making $ off it?

That's pretty sick.

[RobinA]

47. Don't Be Scared

I agreed with Jonah Goldberg about a month ago. It hasn't happened again.

Did you love how Buchanan kept saying that Bush made huge mistakes but then kept steering the conversation to how Kerry would be much worse.

[Maeve]

48. Thanks for posting this

I don't always catch the show in the evenings so I'm glad I got to see it this morning.
Lewis Black is dynamite!

[Cat Atomic]

52. Pat Buchanan is an ultra-conservative.

He's an extremist. But the center has moved so far to the right that Pat Buchanan actually looks like a moderate. That's a sad commentary on politics today.

[Democrat 4 Ever]

56. I caught Jon Stewart last night

Buchanan made several good points (O, lordy, never, ever thought I could think that, much less put it in writing!) but he made at least one lame argument. He railed against the total failure of Bush and his war but keeps turning around and saying he will vote for him. All he has against Kerry, apparently, is that Kerry voted for the war. Stewart kept telling him he voted to give the authority - hence the big stick analogy - so negotiations could be done. Then Buchanan came back with, "Yes, but he said he would vote for it again knowing what he now knows about no WMDs, etc."

What is the rational by Kerry for that statement? He is getting beat over the head with it ad infinitum - and even at the risk of incurring the "flip flop" gods - he needs to explain that answer.

[dansolo]

53. The scariest thing about Pat Buchanan

Is that with the recent revelation about the AIPAC spying on the U.S. Government, Pat may have been on to something. I don't agree with a lot of what Pat Buchanan has to say, but he actually has integrity, and is willing to speak openly about his beliefs instead of using certain "code words" to mask his true intentions.