FBI's Anti-Terror 'October Plan' and what it means for democracy in Nov.

[kayell]

This didn't get much attention last night in LBN. Typical Friday night news dump. I find this one of the most alarming things I've seen in a long time. Perhaps even here we are getting numb to the * assaults on real freedom and democracy?

FBI's Anti-Terror 'October Plan'
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/17/eveningnews/main644096.shtml
(CBS) Convinced that al Qaeda is still determined to disrupt the U.S. fall elections by an attack on the homeland, FBI officials here are preparing a massive counter-offensive of interrogations, surveillance and possible detentions they hope will disrupt the terrorist plans, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

FBI field offices and Homeland Security agencies will be advised of "extraordinary measures" that will go into place "beginning the first week of October through the elections."

An internal e-mail advisory to supervisory agents this week from the FBI's "'04 Threat Task Force" said the purpose of the counter-offensive is "to foster the impression that law enforcement is focused on individuals who may be a threat."

Specifically, the plan calls for "aggressive - even obvious - surveillance" techniques to be used on a short list of people suspected of being terrorist sympathizers, but who have not committed a crime. Other "persons of interest," including their family members, may also be brought in for questioning, one source said.

More - especially the last paragraph.
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Wierdly there isn't much out there on this "Threat Task Force" especially not at .gov sites.

http://www.govexec.com/dailyfed/0504/052604c2.htm
The FBI has created an interagency task force to coordinate intelligence and field operations in response to information that al Qaeda plans to attack the United States within a few months, Attorney General John Ashcroft said Wednesday.

snip of much fear-mongering

"The FBI has established a 2004 Threat Task Force to focus on this developing threat over this summer and fall period," Ashcroft said. "The task force will coordinate our intelligence, analysis and field operations. Analysts at FBI headquarters and in every field office are reviewing previously collected intelligence to reanalyze it and determine what additional information we need to collect in order to be best positioned to disrupt attacks."

The task force includes representatives from the Homeland Security Department and "other members of the intelligence community," said Joe Parris, an FBI supervisory special agent. He declined to say which other agencies are part of the task force or how many people are serving on it.

He said the task force will not duplicate other federal efforts, such as those of the CIA's Terrorist Threat Integration Center. The Bush administration announced in April that TTIC would take the lead in collecting and analyzing terrorism-related intelligence gathered by other agencies, including the FBI and Homeland Security.

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And a report from IMO likely targets.

http://www.wsws.org/articles/2004/aug2004/fbi-a18.shtml
FBI “anti-terror” task force targets Bush administration opponents
The Federal Bureau of Investigation has embarked on a large-scale operation to intimidate and attack opponents of the Bush administration’s war policy. In advance of the Democratic National Convention held earlier this month in Boston and the upcoming Republican convention in New York City, the FBI’s Joint Terrorism Task Force (JTTF) has mobilized agents to spy on, interrogate and threaten antiwar protesters and disrupt their activities.

In violation of basic democratic and Constitutional rights, the JTTF has placed under surveillance, and in some cases interviewed, dozens of people in at least six states about their antiwar views and actions. The JTTF’s measures have included visits to the homes and workplaces of antiwar activists, as well as to their friends and family members. In none of these cases was there any evidence of criminal activity—either committed or planned—on the part of the targeted individuals.

In keeping with Bush administration policy in the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks, the FBI claims the operation is warranted by the “war on terrorism,” and that this outweighs any abridgment of basic civil liberties, including the First Amendment right to free speech and association. The spying operation is, in fact, a revival of McCarthyite tactics, aimed at silencing opponents of government policy.

Local offices of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) have reported that FBI agents throughout the US have been monitoring the daily activities of numerous political activists, whom the authorities believe are planning to protest at major political events, including the upcoming Republican National Convention.

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[Tierra_y_Libertad]

1. "First they came for the Communists...."

But..but..they're protecting our "freedom". As defined by the FBI, CIA, Ashcroft, Cheney, and the dimwit.

[annabanana]

16. Faux has been covering this......

like it's the greatest thing since sliced bread...even the part about surveillance on people who may not have done anything.

Given Fox's position as the administration's mouthpiece I would say that we're in for a REALLY BUMPY ROAD.









edit:tpyo

[kayell]

2. Old news? Boring? Same old, same old? Too scary to think about?

I'm very puzzled by the lack of reaction to this. I find it a very threatening development. Am I just being paranoid? Or are they really out to get us?

"The bureau also knows it can expect to be criticized for the strategy if it goes too far. One element of the plan calls for addressing what some officials fears could be a wave of protests from Arab-Americans and civil libertarians once the so-called "October Plan" kicks off. "

[annabanana]

6. Too scary to think about.............

They have just TOLD US that they plan to impose MARTIAL LAW (by another name, natch) in October. It sounds like a full out assault on our civil liberties.

Ass-croft already SAID he expects conflict from 'terrorist sympathizers and civil libertarians".... those were his words.

As a proud card-carrying member of the ACLU, I'm very, very worried.

[drdigi420]

7. 'terrorist sympathizers and civil libertarians'

they are one and the same to ashcroft

[MisterP]

15. look for the word "resolve" in the future:

it translates into "protests? army smash!" in World Bank-ese whenever forced deregulation and eradication of social support leads to a reaction from Bolivians or Indonesians or whatever darker-skinned people the plutocrats are preying on that month...

[RedEagle]

3. Sanctioned, nationwide, Jim Crow tactics

Gee, I wonder if a "terrorist" could simply be a poll watcher or obsever at a vote count, if they happen to be identified as pro-paper ballots?

Since they won't let the theme die of an attack to disrupt the elections, and if it happens, it would be the only terror alert that they would be correct about since 911, gee, does that mean they now have their act together, or, er.....have put together their act?

[kayell]

4. That's kind of what I'm thinking

Even more excuses to terrorize people who will likely vote dem.

Even more chances to interfere with voting - moving polling places to prevent an attack on them, more investigation of newly registered voters in minority and low-income urban areas, rounding up activists before the election because of suspected terrorist sympathy......

Not to mention that they've just scheduled a month long 2 minute hate.

[Pallas180]

44. Be Smart. Call your Supervisor of Elections to be trained to run the votin

machines. Then you're on the inside, instead of a dyed in the wool
party person. Besides you get $75 to 125 for the day while you're looking out that nobody fools with the machine.

And while you're there you can suggest they use the absentee ballot if
they think the machine isn't working properly.

Or maybe the machine wont be working properly. - ahem - I:ve been there and seen 4 machines plugged in - and two not-- never occurred to me before now that those 2 unplugged may have been pre-programmed with results..

DUH

[wildflower]

5. "mobilized agents to spy on, interrogate and threaten antiwar

protesters"?

and this:

"Specifically, the plan calls for "aggressive - even obvious - surveillance" techniques to be used on a short list of people suspected of being terrorist sympathizers, but who have not committed a crime. Other "persons of interest," including their family members, may also be brought in for questioning, one source said."

OMG...

This is utterly terrifying. And I'm sure the media will be reporting on it forthwith. (Right.)

-wildflower

[annabanana]

8. rename thread "FASCIST ALERT LEVEL RED"

Maybe there will be more discussion. We are rapidly reaching the vanishing point on the horizon blinking "too late, too late, too, too, late...too bad"

[G_j]

35. and Democracy Lovers: Red Alert ! n/t

[kayell]

9. It is amazing how confident they feel that nothing can touch them

They are announcing that they will target innocent people and their families (something a few DUers have denied is happening in Iraq)and nobody even blinks. Apparently ANYTHING, any abuse is ok now that "everything has changed".

[annabanana]

10. things are pretty quite here on the weekends...

I guess we just have to keep this kicked.

[Individualist]

22. Exactly

The fascists will attempt to justify their actions by repeating the sound byte "Everything changed after 9/11", and the willfully ignorant will fall into line and support this outrage.

[truth2power]

74. Of course.

"Fie, my lord, fie, a soldier and afeard? What need we fear who knows it, when none can call our power to account?"

--Macbeth V,i

[Pallas180]

45. Its not terrifying. You just look them in the eye and ask why

they're helping these lunatics destroy the constituion of the United
States.

Make them think.

Make them ashamed.

Each and every person stands up to them and says , aren't you sworn to
protect the constitution of the United States???????

And mean it.

[neomonkey]

11. A kick and a nomination

This is important.

Typically, it's floating in under the radar as well, being dwarfed out by days-old storms and the all important after-effects of stillborn rape trials of pro athletes.

[kayell]

12. Thank you. This is a great example of why they drop stuff like this on

Friday night. There are some horrifying things in this that the BFEE just comes out and announces. They pretty much said, October 1st, your civil rights are history.

We need to be emailing all the usual parties and insisting they cover the story heavily, and ask lots and lots of questions.

If someone has the media blaster thread, could they post it please. My bookmarks seem to have lost their titles. :shrug:

[G_j]

13. why does this give me a horrible feeling in the pit of my stomach?

I have a feeling there may be more to this. I am afraid this may be part of a larger scenario.
Am I paranoid?

[annabanana]

14. paranoid or not.............

This is worth worrying about. I know when I heard about it (I believe that whatever TV station I was watching at the time interrupted for Ashcroft's pres conference.

I think they are going to try and put many major cities under the same kind of "lock-down" that they did NYC for the RNC and let me tell you.. it was horrifying.

like I said...martial law with some other name, but martial law all the same.

[ursacorwin]

17. a friend of mine says

the concentration camps are already up in remote places in ID and elsewhere.

and this kind of begs the question, n'est pas? just why will we need this kind of martial law? what are they planning for, i mean protecting us from which would send the nation into violent upheaval requiring lockdown?

i bet a lot of DUers can think of something...

[G_j]

18. First They Came for the Protesters

http://www.alternet.org/rights/19779/

First They Came for the Protesters

By Rachel Neumann, AlterNet. Posted September 3, 2004.


The demonstrations in New York offer lessons on future strategies to get protesters' messages across to the public. Story Tools
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Tourists, old ladies and gentlemen, a building superintendent who was taking out the garbage, teenagers on their first date to a play, ministers, students, bicycle messengers and a good number of bruised and dirty yet singing and chanting protesters. It's the kind of diversity that New York City is famous for, and during this past week, the best place to find it was in the makeshift jail at Pier 57. The biggest underreported story of the Republican National Convention was not Laura Bush's Botox or conservative women making fools of themselves for California's manly governor. It was this: how could 1,800 people be arrested when they had done nothing wrong with the exception of crowding the sidewalks or block traffic? These events happen a thousand times every second in New York City. If these are crimes, all of New York should be arrested every single day.

In a country that engages in preemptive war against a small nation that had neither the intention nor the ability to attack us, preemptive suppression of dissent is the next logical step. But the word "preemptive" is misleading here, because it implies that a crime was about to be committed. It implies that Barbara Gates, 78, whose plans were as nefarious as walking at a slow pace to somewhere near the Convention and lying down, is a criminal and a threat to society. It implies that Julia Gross, 24, arrested while walking away from a "kiss-in," is a potential terrorist. These arrests, the lack of media attention concerning them, and the simultaneous pageantry within the convention imply that there is a legitimacy, in these "unsafe" times, for arresting anyone who has the audacity to even think about speaking up for dissent, even before they do so. After all, the Boy's Choir of Harlem is about to sing and the show must go on.

Some are calling the pier where the arrestees were held "Guantanamo on the Hudson." While the comparison is obviously a gross and privileged exaggeration (arrestees were released within days, not years, and none were interrogated, tortured, or isolated to the extent of the Guantanamo detainees), it does emphasize the cold but consistent policies of this administration: bomb, suppress, detain, arrest and shoot first, defend and prevaricate later. The police officers and the major newspapers were generally full of nothing but praise for the unconstitutional tactic. "It's been a good day," said Police Detective Kevin Czartorsyski on Tuesday, a day when over 800 people were arrested. "Things have pretty much happened as planned."

At the 2000 Republican National Convention in Philadelphia, 420 people were arrested – more than 75 of whom were locked up for sleeping in a large space used for making puppets. It wasn't until April 2004, almost four years later, that the final arrestees stood trial and were acquitted on all charges. The arrests and protesters' subsequent treatment in jail brought heavy criticism from the ACLU, Human Rights Watch, the National Lawyers Guild, Amnesty International and other civil rights organizations, but so far there hasn't been either acknowledgement or compensation to people who experienced the excessive arrests.

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[bvar22]

20. Concerned here:

The implementation of the Police State is already well advanced.

Do you know that $8Million was sliced off the $87Billion allocated for fighting terrorism in Iraq, and that the $8Million (for fighting terrorism) was used to fund the suppression of legal protests in Florida during the recent WTO conference?

The trial balloons have already been floated, and most Americans don't care.

The test cases have already been fought and won by the bush* administration, and most Americans don't care.

Concentration Camps have been built and filled. Torture has been approved. Perpetual War is now the norm. Our Executive Branch has declared itself above the Law and Constitution, and most Americans don't care.




A Democratic WIN in November will help, but the TRUTH is that most of the Democratic Party is either actively supportive of the Police State, or complicit through their spineless silence.

[kayell]

21. Bump

[toddaa]

19. Major cities, hmm???

I'm looking at the map and major cities tend to fall in predominately Blue States. Coincidence?

[BeHereNow]

39. You're NOT paranoid-

You are AWAKE.
That cold hand gripping the back of your neck is
valid fear- we are facing a despotic empire that will NOT
tolerate dissent of any sort.
Life as you have always believed it to be in this country
is OVER- we have lost the country to a silent and stealthful
take over by the multi national corporatists.
Period. Fuck the idiots who say that is "gloom and doom"
talk, they are delusional and in complete denial about what IS.
They are every bit as ideological and irrational in their view
of the world as the people who continue to think Bush is a
Christian. The neurosis that has infected the American
mind does not distuingish between "left" and "right."
It has flourished and grown to overtake us by the
very fact that both "sides" are equally out of touch with reality.
Sorry to be so harsh, but that is the reality.

BHN

[G_j]

60. I just wish I was paranoid

But many of us have wondered what they would pull to interfere with democratic elections once again. October is at hand. I'd like to think that we are paranoid, but our trepidation is based in the reality of experience. They have manipulated the population through terror alerts, with visions of 'mushroom clouds' and 9-11, manipulated them into a war that has killed thousands upon thousands of innocent people. They have secret prisons and 'ghost' prisoners. They oppose a world court and call the Geneva convention 'quaint'. Most of us understand all this, there is every reason to wonder what else is connected to this October FBI activity.

But it is still very important to keep in mind that the 'police state' was in the works before Bush. There has been a growing and thriving industry in crowd control weapons since the end of the cold war.
The National Lawyers Guild issued a detailed and scathing report on how the lines between the military and law enforcement were severely and illegally blurred in Seattle during the the WTO protests.

"The war on (some) drugs" has been a manifestation of a 'police state'. So there is an aspect of this that goes deeper than presidents. But it seems that the 'police state' and the Bush cabal were made for each other. I guess this is one reason why Bush is able to wield so much power.

As for our general attitude, I think we are overly obsessed with the "freepers". While we spend a lot of time here discussing their insane, racist hate mongering, we mostly ignored what happened in Miami during the FTAA protests.
I was disheartened that so many 'liberals' turned their heads and refused to raise alarm about the "Miami Model". At least the treatment of dissent at the RNC got a bit more attention.

While I agree freeper types are worrisome and dangerous, they don't have access to arsenals of crowd control weapons and an Orwellian surveillance infrastructure. I think the only way to check this is for the general population to become aware of it and to stop treating the issue like a tinfoil hat conspiracy "theory".
Education is the key, me thinks.

well enough of this early morning rant..coffees ready! :-)

--
"..we all will need to remain extremely vigilant in coming months – not necessarily for terrorists but for lying politicians!
Karen Kwiatkowski

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http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/1219-08.htm
Reuters
FTAA Protests: Amnesty Says Miami Police May Have Broken UN Laws
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A veteran activist finds much to fear, but also bits of hope, after being jailed in Miami.
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17342
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St. Petersburg Times: Miami Crowd Control Would Do Tyrant Proud

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/1130-07.htm

Miami police Chief John Timoney must be mighty proud of the social order he maintained during the Free Trade Area of the Americas summit a couple of weeks ago in Miami - sort of the way Saddam Hussein was proud of quieting dissension in his country.
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Arresting The Future
Tom Hayden, AlterNet

Even as FTAA protestors and trade ministers poured out of town in droves, the city's Robo-Cops continued to demonstrate the 'Miami model' of suppression -- with pepper spray, rubber bullets and drawn weapons.
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17246
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Information Control:

The 'Miami Model' used during the anti-FTAA protests represents a new police strategy whose aim is to control not just the streets, but also the story told by the media.
http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=17293
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[G_j]

23. kick

[bobthedrummer]

24. WE ARE ALL THOUGHT CRIMINALS TO THE WITCHFINDER, ASHCROFT.

ALL OF US.

[Vickers]

25. Can you say "prior restraint" ?

I thought you could!

These fuckers.

[BeHereNow]

26. I repeat:

http://www.escapeartist.com
"They thought it couldn't happen here..."
Too late- it has.
BHN

[neomonkey]

27. The coming build-up

Today is September 18. Less than 2 weeks before the beginning of October, the final month before the election. A vitally important election, one which seems to set the stage for the sanity of our future. An election which George W. Bush & Syndicate will stop at nothing to win. This CBS story may be the first of many which will begin filling the airwaves in the next couple of weeks. After all, what good is all this fuss if no one notices? The sheople must be made to realize that our Idiot King is working hard and tirelessly to secure our safety, our freedoms. This won't happen if there is no fear, and fear is what we will be fed in an increasing dose before they begin the big Clamp Down next month. I suspect the next few weeks may bring us the whine of the overworked motor of the mainstream media outlets as they force feed us the incessant stream of fear and alerts from our government.

I imagine in the next few weeks we will see more John Ashcroft and Tom Ridge than we ever wanted to see in our wildest nightmares. Their voices will blend as one, taunting and warning, alert, beware, be on the lookout, unnamed sources, prisoners questioned, briefcase nukes, biological weapons, terror threats, reliable sources, etc, etc and we will hear nothing but that, so finally, when the Clamp Down begins in earnest, the sheople will breathe a sigh of relief when domestic police agencies begin harassing those socialist, communist, anti-American, atheistic insurgents. So what if they are American citizens!? Is it not worth the price of security? That George W., God bless him, he's watching out for us.

[BeHereNow]

28. If this thread sinks...

then I give up.
KICK
BHN

[G_j]

30. I hear ya !! n/t

[tlcandie]

29. Kayell,

I already posted my opinion about this in your first thread regarding the same information.

I'm VERY aware and NOT happy!

[LibertyorDeath]

31. "massive counter-offensive"

"persons of interest,"

"their family members"

"people suspected of being terrorist sympathizers, but who have not committed a crime."

Does the average American know what a Police state looks like?

Does the average American give a Shit.

I'm having serious doubts here.

The signs of an emerging full fledged police state are everywhere in
America the most obvious being the almost total control & compliance of all corporate news media with the most corrupt administration in US history. The foundation has been laid via the Patriot Act & the Department of Homeland security.

People are lulled into compliance & a false sense of security from the notion that the only people that have to worry about all these New Draconian laws that strip away Liberty are Terrorist or those that help them.

They are so Wrong in this assumption all the Government has to do is say you are "person of interest," & you are FUCKED!

[Individualist]

32. kick

n/t

[tom_paine]

33. kick

:kick:

[G_j]

34. in the spirit of 'Paul Revere'

people, people, !!! they aren't foolin' around!

fight for our civil liberties, educate! support the ACLU, write your newspapers, write your Congress folks, speak up, scream, yell, tell your neighbors!

[John_H]

36. "we're just trying to keep those African-American and MI Arab-American

recincts safe."

[EstimatedProphet]

37. I guess my reaction is small because I think this is obvious

Hey folks, we've already had Ashcroft and Ridge both independently talk about canceling the election for our good-why should any of this come as a surprise?
I am outraged that this is happening, but it's one more thing on a stack that grows higher every day. I can't even tell how high the stack is anymore. The bigger fear I have is that we will have our very own Kristallnacht once the monsters have solidified their power base. Regardless of the turnout, I expect retarded freeper militias to spring up and take "cleansing" of liberals into their own hands.
That said, I don't want to be relocated to a concentration camp either.

[kayell]

63. My reaction is horror, I think because this is so blatant

I have been thoroughly convinced that their goal is a totalitarian model of some sort, whether corporate facism, theocracy or some hideous blend. Until now I have been convinced that they were going to keep sneaking it up on us gradually, boiling the frog so to speak. I also believed they were going to use a "kinder, gentler, more compassionate" model than did Stalin or Hitler, totalitarianism with a better sense of PR.

A model in which activists would survive, but their voices would be effectively neutralized by lack of access to media, increasingly tiny "free speech" zones, public mocking as silly hysterics, etc.

The fact that they so blatantly announce now that they are instituting a police state starting in October means that I'm wrong, that they have decided that Americans in general have been simmered long enough in that pot of FEARTM that they won't object to or maybe even notice that we are in a true police state.

I think now that I've been very foolish expecting that they would keep allowing us enough freedom and liberty to give the illusion of real freedom. King George and his minions have personalities that are far too sensitive to critiscism to allow that. From this point on, we can expect to see a rapidly escalating attack on any kind of opposition. Civil rights activists have just been classed with/as terrorist sympathizers.

You are right to worry about a Kristallnacht, especially with the lifting of the assault weapons ban. And the rhetoric of FEARTM and hate will have to be very strong throughout the next month in order to sustain this police state. And the tie between "protecting our election" and connecting civil rights activists with terrorist symapthizers assures that anyone who objects to the retheft of the Presidency will be treated as an "enemy of democracy"

"War is Peace"
"Freedom is Slavery"
"Ignorance is Power"

Democracy is Totalitarianism

[tlcandie]

82. Kayell, they were only going to 'PLAY' us until they were in a position

which they felt comfortable to pull the curtain back. I knew it was coming and I've stated that it would be around election time. I'm not surprised and I'm not alarmed.

I'm not going to fear and I'm not going quietly into the night. Everything is set in place and they are poised and ready to draw the curtain back...they need their next WWIII attack and it's a done deal.

I believe that they are fueling the ME and civil war and the OBL types because they want chaos, hell, and fear to rule the American people, so they can do away with democracy.

Why else would they continue in such an insane way? Moving to Iraq before Afghanistan was completed and on false information, no less; go after OBL only to say he's not THAT important; take out SH when they knew he was the glue holding the society together albeit a bit twisted; outsource jobs; raise corporations to near saintly status; implement the Patriot Acts; implement Gitmo; implement torture; keep pusing NK, Syria, Iran and whoever else they can find to try and get them to attack for further chaos and fear; etc., etc.

Nothing they are doing makes sense except to them. They see chaos as a means to their end which is full dominant spectrum power delivered by the US from a fascist state with a lil DICtator in control.

NUKES will rule coupled with fear and slavery tactics in a truly weird re-enactment of kings/queens times, but now painted with the brush stroke of the future.

Totally surreal. As, I've stated before our last chance will be for everyone to take to the streets Nov2/3rd IF * is not outed. After that we will never be allowed ever again to protest or dissent. Once we start, we will need to be like the Venezulans and NEVER stop until we get him out of office and all guilty parties in the hague!

If we ever stop once we start, we are still toast! We will have to decide that nothing is more important than that moment at that time for all of humanity.

[Pachamama]

38. I think I'm going to get sick....My stomach is feeling nauseated...how can

this be happening and yet - silence from the people? It's like we are living in a bad dream and we can't wake up....

:scared:

[berry]

40. Me too.

I've been paying attention. I'm immunized against their propaganda. So it shouldn't be a shock, but it is. I guess there are levels and levels of denial, and I was denying to myself that I had any denial left in me. Or maybe I just didn't want to kill my small hope that this election might save us, or at least give us some time to save ourselves. My greatest fear was the BBV problem. Bad enough, but I'd forgotten (temporarily) all the other reasons to worry. A wake-up call indeed!

:kick:

[Nikki Stone 1]

41. Kids will be used to a police state because of school shootings

and all the metal detector apparatus and the fences and prison-like atmosphere at public schools.

[Ms. Clio]

42. Incredible--they really do hate us for our freedoms

Next they'll be reviving the American Protective League, and "safety committees."

[Name removed]

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[Pallas180]

47. HI AGENT MIKE - HOW YA DOIN? TRYIN TO FOMENT A REVOLUTION?????

:hi:

na na na - not gonna get us into that trap

[Name removed]

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[Andy_Stephenson]

57. Agent Mike is a secret service agent that was

investigating Bev Harris...He was looking for dirt on her. Thanks to George Howland of the Seattle Weekly he backed way off...here is a link to the story.

http://www.seattleweekly.com/features/0420/040519_news_blackboxvoting.php

[Andy_Stephenson]

56. I am a 2nd ammendment Democrat.

it protects all the rest.

[G_j]

61. perhaps, but I don't think it will protect us from a police state

an educated and awake populace will however.

[Pallas180]

112. God_bush_n_cheney, where's the

NRA when you need them.

[Pallas180]

46. Directory of Congress Critters-then use free number-1-800-839-5276

Directory of Congress Critters-then use free number-1-800-839-5276


www.congress.org - for a directory to ANYBODY in Congress, AND their

local/regional offices.

We bombarded congress reps and sens with phone calls about the woman arrested at Laura's speech.

The ACLU also got involved

The charges have dropped.

We called Lautenberg and Corzine so much that they were saying yes, we've received hundreds of calls and we're going to do something about it.

this is more of the same. Abridgement of civil rights. YOURS - OURS!!

Pick up the phone on MONDAY

[Dem2theMax]

49. Kicking it. Read and kick it again.

:kick:

My mind has just about hit 'numb' -- cannot believe the country I have loved for 48 years has turned into this.
How the hell do we turn this AROUND?
Not tying to sound hopeless. I'm NUMB right now and can't get my mind around all that I've read here the past couple of days. I believe it, don't want to believe it, but I do. And I'm numb.

I can't understand, even with seeing it happen right in front of me, how the minds of millions can be turned off to the truth and they blindly follow the liars, cheats and thugs...right off the cliff to Nazi land.

:cry:

numb numb numb

I want to go outside and take the flag off the flag pole and wrap it around me for comfort. For all that it has meant to me in the most positive of ways. Tears are not just a smilie now.

[Pallas180]

50. ACT. DIAL 1-800-839-5276 start calling reps & sens in congress NOW

Directory of Congress Critters-then use free number-1-800-839-5276


Directory of Congress Critters-then use free number-1-800-839-5276


www.congress.org - for a directory to ANYBODY in Congress, AND their

local/regional offices.

[Pallas180]

51. White House Comment Line [phone]/[e-mail]

[951]

52. Ummm... What good is emailing/calling the Resident and Theif going to do?

[Pallas180]

53. And your suggestion is:

call/ join the republican party?????

perhaps ???

Welcome to Democratic Underground.

I see you're quite new here.

It will do a lot of good.

As it has in the past.

[951]

54. Re: "And your suggestion is:"

Actually I've been here for over a year but I digress you still haven't explained what good emailing/calling the Resident & Thief would do. Judging by your 1000+ posts I expect you to know whenever it comes to communicating with them it will only fall on deaf ears, hate to break it to ya but BUSH ISN'T LISTENING!

Edit: I hope no one takes this personal I'm just letting off a little stress I've had with this administration and the IDIOTS! who support it, I don't want to take away from the topic at hand. If anyone takes anything that I've said personally please accept my apology in advance.

[Andy_Stephenson]

55. I wonder if I am on that list?

Could be :shrug:


EDIT: :hi: Agent Mike

[Tsiyu]

58. I've been on a list for a while

Ex-talk show host, did my Reagan bashing ( back before Reagan determined that the Fairness Doctrine was getting in the way of the neo-con agenda.)

I figured it out when I flew to London, the way I was singled out. Two months later, at the airport outdoor checkin, my dad and sis told me it would be easier to just check in there.

"They won't let me," I said.

"What do you mean they won't let you? Come on," said my Dad.

"I'm serious. They have me on a list or something," I said.

"You're paranoid," my sister said. "We're flying on a bereavement fare for Grandma's funeral, for crying out loud."

They wouldn't listen, so I dutifully followed them even though I knew what was coming.

Sure enough, they were allowed to check in there. I was told to step inside where I was asked a million questions, wanded repeatedly, and then followed by a not-so-secret security person all the way to my terminal. My family was flabbergasted.

So, I'm used to the idea. But the gulag idea worries me. My guess is they will single out "loners" first, people with no family to report them missing, or those estranged from family.

We need to have plenty of cameras and film, and report report report when and if you are contacted. Create a stink any time they try to intimidate you. No matter how badly deceived many Americans are, most are not going to go for this sort of intimidation. Be ready to be a witness. THERE IS SAFETY IN NUMBERS.

[annabanana]

59. kickin' it all day long........need it Monday am

:kick:

[rhite5]

62. Spread the word

[Swamp Rat]

64. kick!

:kick:

[Name removed]

65. Deleted message

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[kayell]

66. If you really think that martial law will be a good thing for most repubs

you should read a bit more history. Totalitarian regimes eat their own.

By the way, the 3 year old incident was a set up by a fellow who has a history of manufacturing these kinds of media events. Spend a little time reading. Education and awareness are quite good for the mind.

[Name removed]

68. Deleted message

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[kayell]

70. If you want to read and discuss Parlock, go to this thread

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=829409
and don't muddy up this one. I think that thread may be an eye opener, unless your blinders are on too tight.

[Name removed]

71. Deleted message

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[kayell]

67. Media Blaster - No time like Monday morning

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cu/cu.php?az=blaster

[Political_Junkie]

69. kicked and nominated

for the home page. This is important enough to keep around for awhile. :scared:

[kayell]

72. We have 12 days to stop this

Directory of Congress Critters-then use free number-1-800-839-5276

www.congress.org - for a directory to ANYBODY in Congress, AND their local/regional offices.

Media Blaster http://www.democraticunderground.com/cu/cu.php?az=blaster

[Individualist]

73. kick

n/t

[kayell]

75. re-kick

[951]

76. kick

:kick:

[Pallas180]

77. "Without censorship things can get terribly 'confused' in the public mind"

"Without censorship, things can get terribly 'confused' in the public mind."

–General William Westmoreland, Commander U.S. and United Nations (UN) forces in Vietnam (and illegally invading Cambodia, Laos, Thailand, and narcotrafficing), TIME Magazine's Man of the Year (1966)

[Pallas180]

78. "it doesn't bother me so much to be killing innocent bystanders".

Chief of Staff of Air Force involved in 1963 Operation Northwoods and Operation Mongoose: Plan to attack US citizens on US soil to force the American public to support war against Cuba



"There are no innocent civilians..., so it doesn't bother me so much to be killing innocent bystanders".

—General Curtis E. LeMay, US Air Force Chief of Staff (1961 - 1965), Vice Presidential running mate of George Wallace, National Journal, 11/26/94

[kimchi]

79. They freely admit they are fomenting fear!

"An internal e-mail advisory to supervisory agents this week from the FBI's "'04 Threat Task Force" said the purpose of the counter-offensive is "to foster the impression that law enforcement is focused on individuals who may be a threat."

Sounds like they aren't in the business of oh, say...catching terrorists. Just good ole fashioned scaring those who dare to speak out right here in the US.

Very important subject!

[Pallas180]

80. " individuals who may be a threat." - to his election? or to

the safety of the country?

isn't it funny they introduce it one month before the election -

more intimidation like they did recently did to black voters in

Florida who voted democrat - pretext - they were checking if vote was

counted properly.

That didn't work - everyone knows about the electronic voting

machines now - so that won't work...

Next best thing - discourage voting because you might suffer " a

terrra- ist attack at the polls.

START E MAILING AND CALLING THE SENATORS AND REPS - THEY STILL HAVE

THE POWER TO MAKE A STINK FOR US !!!!

[Pallas180]

81. Gen.Tommy Franks:"Constitution will be discarded in favor of military govt

setting the stage for the pnac plan:


http://www.911forthetruth.com/pages/AmendCom.htm


<32> On Friday, November 21, 2003, just days prior to the filing of this Amended Complaint, Retired Army General Tommy Franks the former commander of the military's Central Command warned, that if terrorists succeeded in using a weapon of mass destruction (WMD) against the United States or one of our allies, it would likely have catastrophic consequences for our cherished republican form of government. Frank further stated; if the United States is hit with a weapon of mass destruction that inflicts large casualties, the Constitution will likely be discarded in favor of a military form of government. (NewsMax). On “911” Plaintiff and her nation were hit by weapons of mass destruction and to date no one based upon “hard evidence” has been held responsible and Plaintiff holds standing to find and bring to account those responsible parties and through discovery and trial testimony Defendant GWB, et al., will provide Plaintiff and the People of the United States of America the who, what, why and how “911” occurred. Plaintiff asserts her willingness to find the truth will in the end, preserve our constitutional system of government if only afforded the right to be heard in this matter and to call credible and other concerned American Citizens to prove this Amended Complaint, its basis and claims are bona fide and will prevent destruction of our way of life through accountability by this Honorable Court.

[annabanana]

83. ALL Congressmen and Women are sworn to defend and uphold

the CONSTITUTION. (not the administration)

They must all be called to account for their inablility to rein in the out of control, Constitution shredding, rights flauting CRIMINAL whitehouse.


keep it :kick: 'd

[Pallas180]

85. When you call the Sens and Reps you might remind them they're sworn

to uphold the Constitution and they have to speak up and stop these
plans to turn the country into a dictatorship - a police state - and
plans to harrass opponents of the Bush administration by Ashcroft and
the SS.

[annabanana]

92. And I'm kickin' it right into Monday so EVERYbody

is on board.

:kick:

[tlcandie]

84. Kick

:kick:

[Pallas180]

86. Instead of "Kick" Pls repost this 1-800-839-5276/www.congress.org

1-800-839-5276 start calling reps & sens in congress NOW


Directory of Congress Critters-then use free number-1-800-839-5276


www.congress.org

[kayell]

87. And Media Blaster link

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cu/cu.php?az=blaster

So far, this isn't being covered other than by CBS, and a bit of cheerleading at FAUX.

[951]

88. Instead of letting this topic "die" kick, nominate and call congress

and Pallas180 you still havent explained what good calling/emailing bush will do.

[Pallas180]

95. 951 - I recognize the style - get

out of my face plick - before I expose the dick you are.





ai yi yi, chihuahua, this lil yappy doggy follows me wher'er I go.

[Raiden]

89. This is some scary shit!

It won't be long before they force all us 'enemy combatants' to wear patches on our clothes like Jews in Nazi Germany. It is frightening how rapidly we are starting to look like a bizarre fusion of early Nazi Germany and Stalin's Russia. The media are spewing sick paternalist propaganda, launching character assassination against opponents of our fearless leader (i.e. John Kerry, Michael Moore, Dan Rather)and the sheep are eating it up. I just wonder when the purges will begin.

[kayell]

90. Looks to me like the purges start in October

with the terrorist sympathizers (wonder how they'll define that), civil libertarians and their families. Scary is right.

Start calling your congress critters and the media tomorrow morning. We have 12 days to stop this.

[Pallas180]

96. Could a mass protest march on DC be organized in 12 days???

maybe "Activism" threads should be checked...

Churches, synagogues, PFAW, NOW, every organization that can be thought of..

Who has connections to MoveOn.Org? they have a mailing list of millions...

As does ACLU

the word has to get out besides just this 50,000 "civil libertarians"

[Pallas180]

97. If you haven't sent $10 or $20 to ACLU, this might be a good time

[Pallas180]

100. There are still people fighting for the Constitution -Sunday NYTimes

Sunday's NYTimes

"Growth sinks terror-screening plan"

-snip-

"Marc Rotenberg, executive director of the privacy group (Electronic Privacy Information Center) said successive drafts of docuents about the screening system showed "how the government was planning to expand the use of Capps data (a computer based system intended for spotting possible terrorists before they can board airplanes was expanded during its development to serve broader police purposes)
for a wide variety of purposes unrelated to passenger profiling, at the same time restricting the individuals' access for that information"

-snip- A spokesman for the Transportation Security Administration, Mark Hatfield, said .....the Department of Homeland Security decided
to "get back to what the core purpose is, to keep terrorists off airplanes".

[robertpaulsen]

91. The scary last paragraph.

The bureau also knows it can expect to be criticized for the strategy if it goes too far. One element of the plan calls for addressing what some officials fears could be a wave of protests from Arab-Americans and civil libertarians once the so-called "October Plan" kicks off.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/17/eveningnews/main644096.shtml

How exactly would they be "addressing" this element? Sounds like "elements" of Patriot Act II will be going into effect next month!

:scared:

[spanone]

93. You can bet they're listening as we speak....

[annabanana]

94. naw..It's still september

:kick:

[LibertyorDeath]

98. Check out what the "emergency procedures" are

Supported by a barrage of media propaganda, these repeated terror alerts have created an environment of fear and intimidation, a wait-and-accept attitude, a false normality. US citizens are led to believe that a military solution is required to protect democracy.

In other words, the possibility of an impending attack on America by this "outside enemy" has been accepted by the American public; this tacit acceptance has set the stage for the adoption of "the highest threat level": code red alert.

What the US public is not aware of, is that a code red alert suspends civilian government; it triggers a whole series of emergency procedures; it is tantamount to a coup d'etat -- although in many regards the coup d'etat has already taken place under the post-9/11 anti-terrorist legislation and the rigging of the 2000 elections which brought George W. Bush into the White House.

You should read this..

Scroll to this heading..... Preparing for Code Red.................


http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/072904_coup_detat_america.shtml

[Pallas180]

102. Code Red Would Suspend Civilian Administration and

Northern Command would take over. Several functions of civilian administration would be suspended; others could be transferred to the jurisdiction of the military. More generally, the procedure would disrupt government offices, businesses, schools, public services, transportation, etc.

A secret "Shadow Government" (Bush/Cheney/Hastert at the least) under the classified "Continuity of Operations Plan" was installed on September 11, 2001.(See: http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A205842002Feb28?language=printer ). Known internally as "Continuity of Government" or COG, the secret shadow government would become functional in the case of a code red alert, redeploying key staff to secret locations.

Code red alert would, according to FEMA, also preclude and repress any form of public gathering or citizens' protest which questions the legitimacy of the emergency procedures and the installation of a police state. The emergency authorities would also exert tight censorship over the media and would no doubt paralyze the alternative news media on the internet.

[greblc]

99. The sky hasn't fallen yet...

but what is any one going to posibly do to prevent the spooks from spying on whom ever they want?

[LibertyorDeath]

101. It's all part of this

The jurisdiction of the Northern Command now extends from Mexico to Alaska. Under ("bi-national") agreements signed with neighbouring countries, Northern Command can intervene and deploy its forces and military arsenal on land, air and sea in Canada (extending into its Northern territories), throughout Mexico and in parts of the Caribbean.
(See: http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/dod/north... )

To prepare for new "law enforcement" missions for the military within America, overseen by the Northern Command, the Center for Law and Military Operations, based in Charlottesville, Virginia has published a "useful" handbook entitled Domestic Operational Law for Judge Advocates. According to Frank Morales, the handbook:

"attempts to solidify, from a legal standpoint, Pentagon penetration of America and its 'operations other than war,' essentially providing the U.S. corporate elite with lawful justification for its class war against the American people, specifically those that resist the 'new world law and order' agenda." (Frank Morales, "Homeland Defense and the Militarization of America," Global Outlook, No. 6, Winter 2004, http://globalresearch.ca/articles/MOR309A.html )

[Pallas180]

103. Police are a military force and will follow orders,; The Guard and the

Militias might not.

There have been many cities(maybe even Governors of States) that have rejected the Patriot Act and gone on record that they have.

Unfortunately, I'm not in one of those places.

[LibertyorDeath]

104. They may have rejected the Patriot Act but if we go code red

they will have to comply. There is no get out of code red card.
Lets face it these people don't care what a Governor has or hasn't signed onto.

This is for all the marbles if they play this card then the full weight
of their Fascist agenda will be brought to bare on anyone or anything that gets in their way.

Remember this is an administration that was searching for ways it could legally Torture detainees. They are corrupt to the core & they have all the levers of power I expect they will use them.

Sorry I've started ranting again I do not mean to sound preachy I know you know all this. It's just so frustrating even here at the DU most think this is tin foil & that just gives more power to these Fu&%ers.

I'll try & keep this thread kicked tomorrow more people need to know
what's really going on.


According to Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge (22 December 2003): "If we go to Red ... it basically shuts down the country." In which case, a national emergency is declared. Northern Command deploys its forces on air, land and sea. Several functions of civilian government are transferred to Northcom headquarters, which already has the structures which enable it to oversee and supervise civilian institutions.

In other words, Northcom's "command structure" would be activated in the case of a code red terror alert. But Northcom does not require, in accordance with the provisions of the 1999 DAA, a terror alert, an attack or a war-like situation to intervene in the country's civilian affairs.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/072904_coup_detat_america.shtml

[neomonkey]

107. Scary or not scary or am I in denial

I'm fighting a relentless inner battle right now. I read this information, I take it all in, and it is downright frightening as hell. What is my government capable of, I ask myself. My head tells me it is capable of incredibly terrible deeds, but my heart, that part of me that still holds on to the idealism of my youth, that part of me that still thinks the U.S. stands for fairness and tolerance and even kindness, rebels against the agonizing thought that this administration is actually so callous, so blinded by a strain of totalitarian zeal that it would see fit to silence me because I don't agree with it.

I sit here in my pseudo-anonymous hole and think my words can never get me in trouble and I can't help but wonder how badly I'm fooling myself. Is this all for real?

[LibertyorDeath]

108. It's surreal creeping fascism is right here right now

They have laid it out in black & white for anyone to read.
No one has challenged them. They are drunk with power.IMO

[annabanana]

109. contact all congresscritters TODAY

and remind them of the OATH OF OFFICE in regards to upholding and defending the CONSTITUTION!

[Pallas180]

110. Do we know the names of Generals and staff at Northcom?

That would be very helpful if we could find out.

[951]

105. I take it running to Canada is out of the question. n/t

[LibertyorDeath]

106. I'm already in Canada....... I think I here Europe calling

:)

[Pallas180]

111. get the names here www.congress.org & Call here 1-800-839-5276

1-800-839-5276/www.congress.org



1-800-839-5276 start calling reps & sens in congress NOW


Directory of Congress Critters-then use free number-1-800-839-5276


www.congress.org

[kayell]

113. We have 11 days CALL today 1-800-839-5276 www.congress.org

1-800-839-5276 start calling reps & sens in congress NOW


Directory of Congress Critters-then use free number-1-800-839-5276


www.congress.org

[annabanana]

114. kick................................n/t

[Search Party]

115. kick

:kick:

[Ms. Clio]

116. kick

[kayell]

117. I started a new thread since this was getting long

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2372963

[Pallas180]

118. CALL 7 REMIND SENS. & REPS THEY'RE SWORN TO DEFEND CONSTITUTION

When you call the Sens and Reps you might remind them they're sworn

<>

to uphold the Constitution and they have to speak up and stop these
plans to turn the country into a dictatorship - a police state - and
plans to harrass opponents of the Bush administration by Ashcroft and
the SS.

[Pallas180]

119. CALL & REMIND SENS. & REPS THEY'RE SWORN TO DEFEND CONSTITUTION

When you call the Sens and Reps you might remind them they're sworn

<>

to uphold the Constitution and they have to speak up and stop these
plans to turn the country into a dictatorship - a police state - and
plans to harrass opponents of the Bush administration by Ashcroft and
the SS.

[Pallas180]

120. Call your senators to not vote for Goss - might as well vote

for Murder incorporated.