My ladies lunch group today, almost WW3...

[readmylips]

The Kerrys vs the bushes. One of the woman (Pat) made the comment of Kerry can't be trusted, flip-flopper, and insisted on telling us to vote for bush, vessel of God. Another lady(Mary) said, we're not here to talk about politics. Politics divides friendships and we're not here for that. We all felt uncomfortable. We meet once a month as friends. We mostly talk about our pains and aches.

We know who the democrats are and who the republicans are. Again Pat challenged us into a political debate by trashing Kerry. Another lady, (Debby) said to Pat, I support Kerry and I'll talk politics with you using facts. Pat insisted that Kerry shamed this nation..etc. She really had all the dirty Ads memorized.

Another lady (Heidi) who is a large German woman and takes shit from no one and has the language to match, jumped up at let Pat have it. Heidi's mouth went off like a machine gun. She laid out bush's AWOL, Laura killing her boyfriend, bush's war for oil, cheney war profiteer, bush reading a goat book while Americans jumped off the WTC burning building. Etc. Etc. Etc. We couldn't get Heidi to sit down and shut up. Our republican friends ran off with big mouth Pat and the rest of us, proud democrats, gathered around Heidi. We usually have a glass of wine with lunch but after such a scene, we ordered shots of Southern Comfort.

[mark414]

1. thank god

bush is a uniter. i can't imagine what we'd be like if he was a divider!

[prodigal_green]

2. Another example of Americans united, not divided.

I had a similar experience with a conservative friend. She knew I was more interested in preserving our friendship than talking politics, and I NEVER brought it up, but she kept pushing it. I had to cut her loose--not so much because of her ideas, but because she was so obviously trying to start an argument all the time.

[NanBo]

3. I love this story!

And I love Heidi!!

Funny, this has sort of happened to me too in that the Dems play by the rules when politics aren't an appropriate discussion, but the repubs just are so damn confidence that they know EVERYTHING that they refuse to honor the rules. Once they do that--it's no holds barred and a lot of us "go Heidi" on them!

Great story :)

[crickets]

4. A toast to Heidi

I'm sorry about your lunch group breaking up like that, but good for her!

:toast:

[ocean girl]

5. Hey, I need a lunch group like that

You go, girls!

[annabanana]

6. I got GREAT "visuals" off this story...

...screenplay..

[Arugula Latte]

7. I got in a confrontation with a stranger yesterday

Stupid man at a cafe (actually was talking about how squirrels were good eating and I'm not kidding!) ... I'll spare you the details but basically he had the swiftboat thing memorized and he was a veteran himself. I'll tell ya, even though he was an old guy I had about had it and I let him have it. He left. I people around me smiled and then we got into a discussion about how ignorant people like that are and how they vote against their best interests. One guy was involved with MoveOn, so at least we outnumbered the dumb old f@#$. I have no tolerance left for these asshats who have run this country into the ground and I will NOT shut up anymore! The rightwing has bullied us for years and they had better watch out!

[in_cog_ni_to]

8. Here's to Heidi!!

:toast: WTG! Don't give those A-holes an inch! If you do, they'll never shut up...as you found out! Wonderful story, Thanks for posting it! :bounce:

[Iris]

39. man, Wesley Clark is really good looking!

Sorry, I got distracted. :loveya:

[in_cog_ni_to]

41. dupe

[in_cog_ni_to]

42. Doesn't he just melt your

heart? He does mine! :loveya:

[Iris]

43. yep!

boyishly handsome.

Yum!

[MisterP]

45. that's not Clark, that's Richard Dean Anderson!

you were saying?

[SiouxJ]

9. Lemming tactics

I ran into some repuke lemmings at a football watching get-together last Sunday. I swear I was only there 5 minutes when the first "flip-flop" remark came out. This is one of their lemming tactics. It sure would be nice if they could think for themselves but it goes against their Stepford mentality I guess.

[Iris]

40. Wow! Laua Bush really looks like Ronald McDonald!

Sorry, distracted again!

[Cheswick2.0]

10. Tell Heidi I said Brava

All of you democrats should be very proud not to be lemmings like your friends.
Now you can use you meeting to figure out how to get rid of bush. After the election maybe you can make up with the republicans.

[Sugarbleus]

11. LOL--->shots of Southern Comfort.

I try very hard NOT to talk politics in mixed company. However, in your case, I woulda let 'er rip too. Bravo to Heidi (my sister's name btw)

[readmylips]

12. My friend Heidi said to me, I jumped on Pat...

to prevent you from going to jail. I don't know how to argue. I kick ass first. I did it only once in my life time and it was enough to learn that I can't argue on anything that's emotional. Heidi also understands that I'm more frutrated than any of them because my hub is a republican, and his family are real religious 'bush sent by god' crazies. I don't want them in my house because I know I will kill one of them.

Sad about big mouth Pat is that she's been homeless. Her husband ran off with some younger woman and all of us as friends, have done for her. Heidi said, don't ever ask me to do anything for Pat. She can get her ass to the White House and ask bush for a handout.

I don't think we'll be meeting for a long time. I'm glad you enjoyed it but what have we come to? The division is so shocking.

[yardwork]

20. It's sad that the Republicans have brainwashed people with their lies

The Republicans use their psy-ops techniques to get people all wound up about emotional hot-button issues until they're so angry they can't think straight.

As Clinton said at the DNC, the Republicans have to do this because if people knew what the Republicans were really doing, most people would never vote for them.

[TrustingDog]

44. bravo to you and Heidi. btw - great reportage! I love your verbage.

[Zorra]

13. Every time I debate with republicans, they go away frustrated and angry.

I print out articles every day in order to support my positions, and am totally armed with facts. Republicans can never back up anything they say, because everything they believe is some rhetorical talking point straight out of RNC headquarters.

I wish I had video recordings of some of these encounters, because these republicans are so outright foolish it is hilarious.

[Lindsey]

15. Great story!

I got my chuckle for the day. Hope the southern comfort went down smoothly! Yea, that Bush certainly is a uniter!!!!!

[SiouxJ]

19. they have simple minds

that's why the repuke leaders tell them to stick to repeating the same simple phrases. They know they can remember to say "flip-flopper" and not much else. I'm sure they did some studies to see which phrases they were capable of remembering and this was the one that came out on top.

If you want to have some fun, just go to a social gathering with your Dem. friends wearing a Kerry button and place bets beforehand on how many times you will hear the phrase "flip-flopper." Pavlov would be proud.

[Blue Gardener]

35. Same here

I keep everything handy in a folder in case I need to look something up. But since I've learned so much reading DU every day, it usually only takes a minute or two of throwing the facts back at them for them to either shut up or walk off in a huff. They just can't back up any of their right wing talking points. Stupid wingnuts.

[merh]

14. Imagine how I felt on Wednesday night, as I stayed in my

sister's inland home, waiting to see if Ivan would strike Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama or Florida. They continued their pro-* comments, my 10 year old niece said she was voting for Kerry, they trashed Dan Rather and applauded Faux & CNN for getting at the truth.

All along, I am trying to be patient and not say a word, I didn't feel like being tossed out into the wind gusts that blew in.

I prayed all night long that God would give me strength to not say a word and that the storm would not destroy my home.

Fortunately for me (not so fortunate for Alabama and Florida), the worst part of the storm missed Mississippi. My power was turned on last night and I was able to bath in my tub, sleep in my bed and escape my freeper sister and her hubby, who believe that the lack of prayer in schools has caused all the problems in our society.

Yeah, * the uniter - I have never felt so far removed from my family in my life.

[AmerDem]

16. Cheers

Great story!:toast:

[cheshire]

17. To bad about the friends but that is the funniest story yet. Go Heidi.LOL

[shance]

18. LOL!! Southern Comfort, huh? You ladies know how to debate***

I like that you all got after it and just spoke your minds.

That's real McCoy stuff.

so is Southern Comfort.

:)

[crispini]

21. Urg!

Go Heidi!

Ya know, you start this sh*t, ya deserve what ya get!

[daddybear]

22. Indeed

I have lived 63 years and remember Roosevelt and Truman - and I have NEVER seen our countr so torn and divided and hateful (and HATED) as it is today under the false "residency" of Bush. He has torn us asunder and it will take Kerry - and then Hillary - years to mend the fences he has torn down with is arrogance and stupidity. It even gets into our living rooms and..well.. obviously, even our hen parties!

[noiretextatique]

23. what a lunch!

:toast: to heidi, you, and the other sensible women!
i got into a shouting match a few weeks ago while having a drink with a friend. some freeper type starting talking about how great bush was for freeing the iraqis and keeping us safe here. me and my friend starting talking about what a scam the war was, and how bush and his friends were profiting from it. the freeper starts yelling and screaming about us not understanding "the real world" and we started yelling back. finally, the freeper left.
it is sad that so many are so deluded.

[otohara]

24. I Politely Turned Down "A Glass of Wine" w/ Republican Parents

on our son's soccer team.....Tomorrow is a big game, one of the soccer mom's called and invited us to their mansion in the burbs to have a glass of wine before the game.

They are all republican's and I can not sit in the same room with people who walk around with their heads in the sand and vote will vote for Bush. Our kids are of draft age.

[TexasLady]

25. sad isnt it

same thing is happening to me. I have already lost countless friends, and one even threatened to SHOOT me for having a difference of opinions. THAT jerk is gone for good..it was a heated debate about the war, and by GOD my nephews are there and for the life of me i dont know WHY. He blasted away about the false 9-11=saddam thing...i threw him out and havent seen him since.

There are others as well...even lost several close family members to this bs, so we dont talk anymore. I stand by my convictions, and ta hell with em. What a hell of a state of affairs....

[CBHagman]

26. It's sad that they just parrot the RNC boilerplate.

The most important thing we can do is rebut them with FACTS and not let them get away with character assassination.

I was watching a tape of "The Daily Show" made during the RNC, and the footage they showed of the convention just brought home how much the whole event was merely an orgy of hatred for John Kerry. They showed some of those dolts who were wearing the purple heart bandages, and I think it was Lewis Black who said such people deserved the Congessional Medal of Idiot.

[johnnie]

27. " ordered shots of Southern Comfort"

I love it..made me laugh. Great story and thanks for posting.

[SmileyBoy]

28. Those Germans reconize fascism when they see it.

Ever since WWII ended.

[CBHagman]

29. It's sad that they just parrot the ads and blast faxes.

The most important thing we can do is rebut them with FACTS and not let them get away with character assassination.

I was watching a tape of "The Daily Show" made during the RNC, and the footage they showed of the convention just brought home how much the whole event was merely an orgy of hatred for John Kerry. They showed some of those dolts who were wearing the purple heart bandages, and I think it was Lewis Black who said such people deserved the Congessional Medal of Idiot.

[CBHagman]

30. It's sad that they just parrot the ads and blast faxes.

The most important thing we can do is rebut them with FACTS and not let them get away with character assassination.

I was watching a tape of "The Daily Show" made during the RNC, and the footage they showed of the convention just brought home how much the whole event was merely an orgy of hatred for John Kerry. They showed some of those dolts who were wearing the purple heart bandages, and I think it was Lewis Black who said such people deserved the Congessional Medal of Idiot.

[CornField]

31. Can I come next month?

I'll bring the vodka. :)

[Garbo]

32. No offense, but.....

....I am glad I wasn't sitting at that table! WOW!

[Cleita]

36. It's time for the Heidis of our nation to start speaking up.

Your lady Pat was full of disinformation and she was ready to spread it with a trowel, if Heidi had let her. I refuse to shut up anymore myself. If a Republican can not sit down and have a civil discussion, laying out the facts with me, then I have no use for them anymore.

Yes, Bushler certainly has been a uniter, NOT. But, then the credo of all fascists since the day Julius Caesar accepted the dictatorship of Rome has been, "divide and conquer". Our own Ceasar and his court know how to do this very well. We can no longer not discuss politics in a futile effort to get along.

[Garbo]

33. Yikes!

....I am glad I wasn't sitting at that table! WOW!

[smirkymonkey]

34. Good for Heidi!

And good for you for sticking by her! We all need to pierce the veil of lies anywhere everywhere we can!

:toast:

[Hello_Kitty]

37. I hate when people try to quash political discussions

"Let's not talk politics now. Everyone's having such a nice time" Bullshit. People used to talk about it all the time. Now most people don't know a damn thing about who's running their country. That freeper broad at your luncheon is a perfect example of the dumbing down of the populace, getting all her information from commercials. Don't back down. I used to remain silent when right wing blowhards around me would spew their Rush-isms. No more. And yay for Heidi! She rocks!

[nini]

38. Don't piss off large German Women!

I am part German and almost 6 feet tall and I've got a mouth and temper like Heidi - Good for her.

We cannot just sit there and take this crap anymore... let them have it folks - who cares if they don't like it when our country's future is at stake!

[eridani]

47. Cues up Ride of the Valkyries--

--:D

[TNMOM]

46. I'm glad Heidi didn't back down

Good for her - and thanks for posting.

I'm surrounded by obnoxious thuglican relatives. I know how you feel.