...the downfall of Oprah is coming...

[readmylips]

Oprah is riding high as one of the world's most recognized black woman. She's rich, has huge power, plenty of power to have interfered in politics which helped elect her friends, Maria & Arnold.

The elitist are giving her a long leash that helped her climbed to the top. She has also become obedient to the republicans. She's in a corner. If she makes the slightest mistake, watch Oprah fall on her face, big time. And if you're black, the harder you fall. The elitist motto is: what goes up, most come down.

[The Backlash Cometh]

1. They even did Johnny Carson in.

We all serve the master.

[Catfight]

2. I'm amazed Oprah is a Republican supporter after watching her

show in Africa. Bush has done so little to help Africa and any of the black causes. But everyone has to understand, if your rich, you're going to be for the Republican party, end of story.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

45. If you're rich and selfish you're a Repub....

I know of a few rich Democrats.

[amber dog democrat]

3. Well, lets see how long she can focus on trivial stuff

and remain on the high wire. She is pretty good with superficial topics.
God knows there are enough people looking for that kind of escape.

[frankly_fedup2]

9. She use to have really great shows that weren't just powder-puff

stuff until after one of her shows, a guest killed himself and another person (I think). I really cannot remember it all. After that, she never took on anything that was really controversial, unless it was something to do with a black community or the like.

[amber dog democrat]

14. Hmmm if Its a choice between a lobotomy or watching her show.

I would suffer through it. We get enough infotainment as it it. Too much actually
I liked the author who refused to let her spotlight his book... can
not remember the title or the author's name. ( Frankel ? )

Anyway, as long as she focused on her version of what a company newspaper once described as the 3 Bs ( birhtdays, babies and boweling ) , she will remain on the air.

I just hope she has her lucid moments when she gazes in the mirror from time to time.

[Karenina]

22. That was *Jenny Jones*

A "secret" crush a gay guy had on a straight guy...

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

29. No she toned it all down after the lawsuit be the Texas Cattle industry

She spoke about the stresses of that case after she did the show on Mad Cow

[Karenina]

46. There ya go!!!

:hi:

[Fridays Child]

4. Oprah is repuke? What'd I miss???

[sniffa]

5. is she a repubLican?

michaeL moore wants her to run for prez

[tishaLA]

23. of course not

but her friendship with Maria Shriver is unforgivable to some.

[Iris]

33. Maria Shriver is not a Republican, either.

[frankly_fedup2]

6. Are you just a little bit ticked you didn't get a new car yesterday??

Just kidding. I didn't see her show; however, I saw the part where she gave everyone a car. I just wish she would loan me some money so I could have some dental work done. Anybody have her address or phone????

I hope she doesn't lose everything she has worked so hard for. Of course, it just does not seem fair for one person to have so much and others to have so little. Capitalism . . . ain't it great.

She has worked hard, but my husband goes out everyday and works 10-15 hours standing on his feet as a welder. He gets a good wage and great insurance (thank the good Lord); however, I'm sure he works harder than Oprah has ever done. I don't think she has ever had a manual labor job?????

[Pirate Smile]

7. Why do you say Oprah is a Repub supporter?

The only reason I can think of is because of Arnold but she was friends with Maria when they both worked for a TV station in Baltimore. She is Maria's friend and Arnold is just her friend through that relationship.

What are you talking about?

[Wright Patman]

8. Same phenomenon

can be observed among NFL players.

I read an interview with KC Chiefs running back Priest Holmes during which he proclaimed the greatness of *.

When you get into the high-six- and seven-figure incomes, race gives way to class. You are no longer worried about anything except how much you owe "The Man" on April 15 and how to reduce that bill to the lowest amount possible.

[Southsideirish]

10. Her "up close and personal" interview with Shrub and Shrubess

during 2000 definitely won him a huge share of the women's vote. It was a 100% puff piece with them bringing their own highly effective video with them showing them walking hand in hand on the ranch, him bringing her her daily cup of coffee in bed, etc.

I was hoping he would fall on his face so I watched it but he did great (I hate to admit) - even Limbaugh who feared he would be skewered on the "liberal" show was impressed and said it didn't hurt Bush in fact in helped him. I don't recall but I imagine Gore and Tipper had the same but the Bush stunt was just much, much slicker.

[rniel]

11. they'll take care of her like they did Martha Stewart

Wouldn't surprise me...one wrong move or slip up and it's curtains..

[elehhhhna]

12. There's dirt on her & she knows if she talks, they'll slap her up.

[rniel]

13. One thing they really hate

is a women in power. Especially one that doesn't fall in line.

[RandomKoolzip]

15. Well, Martha made many many contributions to the Dems...

That was why they had to take her down in the first place. In the wake of Enron and Tyco, the public wanted a multi-billionaire to go to prison for corruption; hell, any billionaire would do. So they, naturally, decided to drain the coffers and shackle the hands of the billionairess who gave money to the Dems, while Kenny Boy goes free. Neat, ain't it?

[AmandaRuth]

16. the minuet she had Arnie on without an

equal appearance by Gray Davis, she put herself above the America system. Never never will I watch her, and I equate those that do with hate radio listeners, people who are afraid to think and find out the facts for them selfs, who just want to be dictated too.

[SiouxJ]

18. She can redeem herself by having Kerry on

before the election. She did it for Shrub and Arnold, why not Kerry? Why not huh? Why not? I don't hate her yet but she could do wonders by having Kerry on before the election. I was so disappointed in her having Arnold on. Come on Oprah let's see if you're fair or just another Repuke puppet. I would think she would be outraged at the attempt to keep blacks from voting but I haven't heard her address that issue either.

[Booster]

24. The last thing we want to happen. She had Gore on around

the same time she had on Bush so she gave each equal time. However, Bush leaned over at the end and kissed her on the cheek and she didn't react at all, the same thing we would all do, and it went over with her audience "see, he's not so bad, he kissed Oprah". I emailed her not long ago and asked that she not have on either one of the candidates because of the power she has and what people might read into a "cheek kiss". We shouldn't be so hard on Oprah; we sound like repugs who are jealous that a black woman became so powerful and rich - I've worked on her show and she is the real deal; just a person like the rest of us.

[SiouxJ]

50. Well, Gore still won

and Shrub just got lucky on that stupid thing. I don't think that will happen again. He puts his foot in his mouth too much now to take her up on the invitation. I really think he would decline it this time. He only does pre-scripted events now. Rove won't take a chance on what he might say.

I also think Kerry would do better than Gore did. Just a hunch.

[Karenina]

49. But FIRST she has to let Bev Harris

show her how to rig a voting machine.

If these two things happen I will be able to forgive her for dismissing, and thereby dissing my jazz foremothers.

[SiouxJ]

51. Yes

and to help make amends, she should have a show discussing the voter discrimination thing too. Yeah, that would be nice.

[2Design]

17. so did this place turn into RNC again - hatefest of people who

do good things for others - makes no sense to me

oprah gave a woman/girl chance for college and scholarship (paid by others) but oprah show hooked it up

oprah gave a couple who are raising foster children a check from Angel Network for their home

She is using the media to do mostly good works -

So maybe she has to paid the spin masters by doing some repuke stuff - I still see her as doing over all good

if she did not have the show - she would be less effective

I am still behind oprah as long as her good works outweigh anything else

[BiggJawn]

19. Oh, quit trying to make her into Otto Schindler...

Otto was a Party Member, but only on the surface.

Oprah's "Got Hers" so of course she's gonna lick the hand that feeds her, just like any other wealthy "I just work to keep from getting bored" person.

If she "did not have the show" she'd STILL be the richest black woman in the world.

In the meantime, anyone heard anything out of "Dud-man" Graham lately? I don't suppose the wedding's still on, is it?

And I don't particulary like Bill Gates, either.
"Great Phillantropists"...Shit, if you apply the same wealth/charity ratio to me that they use on Oprah and Bill, I should get a fucking STATUE of myself built for sharing a pop-tart.....

[2Design]

20. I like rich people who give and help others more than themselves

and they deserve to have something for themselves - they worked for it

I like Paul Newman too

I would like to be rich enough to give away money and make things happen

I don't see BushCo doing anything to help the poor and they have a lot of means and influence to do that

I would much rather emulate a giving rich person

[BiggJawn]

21. They "Worked for it"????

Oh, come ON.....
Bet you were crushed when "Lifestyles of the Rich and Famous" went out of production, too.....

I HATE rich people. Most of them got that way because they stepped on "little people" like me, or their ancestors (in a pre-AFL-CIO age) stepped on little people like me. I don't get into hero worship, sorry.

Like I said, if my level of giving vs. income equalled Bill Gate's you'd think I was a hero for sharing ONE Pop-Tart.

[Booster]

25. I feel sorry for you that you can say you hate rich people

simply because they are rich. Having worked in TV for 35 years, I can tell you that when you see an hour show, it probably took 14 hours to make that show and in my opinion anybody who gets rich making tv shows deserve it. Oprah has certainly proved that she does good things for people, and if you can't see that, then nothing anybody can say will open your eyes; in this respect, you're just like the right-wingers who refuse to open their eyes. Sorry, just my opinion.

[BiggJawn]

34. Funny you should mention TV......

I've been in the business 20 years myself. So, you say "anybody who gets rich making tv shows deserve it. "
OK, how about those of us who roll the tapes, rig the mikes, fix all the shit the wonderful talent breaks because they're ninnies, etc.?

Many's the time I left at the end of the day to climb into my hoopdy VW microbus with no heat looking at all the Caddys and Lincolns of the Telly-vangelists in for an evening's taping.

I've never met a wealthy person who didn't treat me like I was some loathsome "thing" he had to endure, even if we shared a common hobby (which would be the reason we even were together)

The myth of the "Self-made man" is just that, a MYTH. and it's also a RW talking point, too. We hear ALL about howe much money Kerry has, but NEVER anything about what Bush has. Why? oh Hell, who knows, maybe because I'm not the ONLY one who hates the Rich?

Sorry, just *MY* opinion.

[2Design]

39. I agree - she is a terrific person and gives so much - I am sure

she has her short comings - but we all do

[slutticus]

26. "I hate poor people....because they're lazy"

Do you hear how stupid and ignorant that sounds? Your statement is no better IMO.

And what do you consider rich anyway? 30,000/yr? 50,000/yr? 100,000/yr? You should clarify exactly who you hate before stating so.

[BiggJawn]

35. 80 kilobucks.

Does that apply to you?

you're entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to mine.

Maybe I have my reasons for "sounding stupid and ignorant".

Go ahead and feel all warm and fuzzy when a rich person throws a few crumbs to us smelly masses. If it gets you through the day, who am *I* to piss in your kashi, right?

[2Design]

40. Gosh I love Oprah - she is kind - and so many in the world could

learn from her on how to give and be kind to others

[slutticus]

56. I wish.

No. I assure you, I am quite low on the food chain right now.

But you obviously have serious issues with people who make more money than you. That's fine I guess...but you shouldn't hate people solely based on income....that's all I'm saying.

[BiggJawn]

58. Why?

"...you shouldn't hate people solely based on income...."

And why not?

All these years I've read that one "shouldn't let your life be rulled by shoulds, shouldn'ts and ought-tos" and here you go, a total stranger, telling me what I SHOULDN'T do....

[camero]

59. Someone needs to learn that money is a finite resource

I guess it just grows on trees, eh? Wait, it does. Trees are a finite resource of the earth, where all wealth comes from.

Who owns the earth? Everyone.

[BlueJazz]

27. I like your phrase..

"I should get a fucking STATUE of myself built for sharing a pop-tart....."

I agree..Opra's just another Ego freak that pawns herself off as some great Guru.

I remember a show she had were she pointed out that she gave $10,000
to some charity and the whole audience stood up teary-eyes with that "Oh..isn't she wonderful!!"

At the time she was making about $8000 a minute so she gave about 72 Seconds of her earnings..Big Fuckin' Deal.....

[BiggJawn]

28. Shame nobody else sees my point, isn't it?

See the other responses?

It's "Wrong" to hate the Rich because they throw us a crumb when they could spare a whole sammich, because they're WONDERFUL people for doing even that.

Fuck 'em. Even wonderful Oprah votes her portfolio, not her heart.

[hiphopnation]

52. I see your point.

I don't like Oprah one bit. I think her shows exploit real people without really helping them, I think she's a self-absorbed, ego-maniacal, corporate aggrandiz-ER, besides having given birth to that loathsome, detestable, fakir-of-a-psychologist, Dr. Phil.

That being said, her legacy is impressive, to say the least. Myself, I don't throw around blanket statements like "I hate the rich". That's just irresponsible.

[BiggJawn]

57. Irresponsible, perhaps. True, perhaps.

I can't say that I've ever met a wealthy person I truly felt I could be friends with. Even the nicest of them have a way of getting on my nerves.

Comes from having to say "Yassuh" a few times too many when some fuck tosses you a set of SAAB keys and says "Take my car and have it washed and gassed. Super-Premium, no hot wax..."

Guess you could say I have a real "problem" with class-conciousness....Oh, well....

[2Design]

38. how much does bush give away

how much does cheney give away

[BiggJawn]

43. You're not listening, are you?

Didn't I say that if my charitable giving/income ratio was like Oprah's I could make her look like a piker by givnign away a freakin' POP-TART???

See, I give away a piddly ammount. Oh, that makes me a BAD person, because Oprah gives away THOUSANDS, right?

Don't forget, Oprah makes what, how's that again? $8,000 a MINUTE?
compared with my 31 CENTS a minute?

So, knowing that, how much would you say I need to give in a year before you admire me as much as you do Oprah?

Ten bucks? Five bucks? Two-ninty-five?

Gee, the $50 I give to the Sierra Club oughta make me a saint, shouldn't it?

And what's Bush and Cheney's charitables have to do with it, anyway?

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

30. Wrong.Oprah got WAY more cautious after the lawsuit by the cattle industry

It seems nobody wants to recall all the threats she took for that case and the amount of time and money it took to defend herself...this by the same people who call for an end to frivilous lawsuits...Oprah was the victim of a SLAPP suit and it had a profound effect on her.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

31. Oprah did a great disservice to the Democratic Party by...

propping up Gropenfurher.

:grr;

[2Design]

41. Her friend was Maria - so she did something some people

don't agree with - now let me see - how much good has she done

how many millions of dollars does she make sure gets to people who can use it - how many good works has she done - I like her odds 97% good things 3% others might not like

I can take that in a person

Now Bush Cheney, ashcroft, rice, etc 97% bad things and 3% good and yet some people are voting for them

I think Oprah is human and as a human has given a lot back -

[PROGRESSIVE1]

32. Oprah did a great disservice to the Democratic Party by...

propping up Gropenfurher.

:grr;

[noonwitch]

36. I don't see Oprah as a republican or democrat

I do think she's smart enough not to declare her politics.

I think she's someone who has made a lot of money and has worked hard to obtain some power and wants to use her money and power to do some good in this world. It's not a political thing, or she'd have only political guests on her show.

Yeah, she had Bush, Laura and Arnold on. She's also had Hillary, Bill, Al Gore, etc. on her show. It's not like she's Sean Hannity, stumping for Bush in the guise of a news show.

[wyldwolf]

37. huh?

She has also become obedient to the republicans.

Why?

What?

bah! :eyes:

[wickywom]

42. bull sh*t... Oprah will be just fine.

She's replaced Elvis for tons of lonely ladies...
it's borderline worship...
Have you ever watched that show?

Please....
Doesn't anyone remember how fast she deflected criticism when the bushes
tried to corner her into that political stunt in Afghanistan?

[linazelle]

44. I agree . . . they tried to take her down once with the beef/mad cow

issue. It's only a matter of time before they Martha Stewart her.

[Joanne98]

47. I was FURIOUS when she saved Arnold...........n/t

[Pithlet]

48. Say what you want about Oprah

But I saw the footage of her last night on The Daily Show giving those cars away, and it was clear that she was genuinely thrilled for everyone in the audience and it wasn't about self promotion (or at least not entirely). She was jumping up and down. That footage was heartwarming. She has done a lot of charitable things and helped a lot of people. Don't get me wrong; when someone is that rich, I view it as an obligation. But she does genuinely seem to care about people and really wants to help.

[Randypiper]

53. I don't watch the show but I'm convinced she's genuine.

She taught people that would not have listened about gay issues. I'm sure she does allot that we don't even know about.

[Booster]

54. I read that she took 100 very poor families and set them

up for a year, housing, food, money, etc. to give them a chance to get back on their feet. Gee, has a Bush ever done something like that, or Hell, has ANY repug ever done such a thing? And, no, I don't know what happened to all the families because it was kept very quiet about the whole thing. Oprah's ok in my book.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

55. She did an entire pro-Iraq war show on how we should go to war

She is a bubble-head who should stay out of politics because she's obviously not capable of complex thinking. It was very biased in favor of the pro-war side.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/stuff/0,2106,2663281a1860,00.html

Oprah chastised for pro-war bias
18 September 2003

STOCKHOLM: Sweden's broadcasting watchdog says it is censuring an Oprah Winfrey talk show for showing bias towards a US military attack on Iraq.

The censure means Swedish television network TV4, which broadcast the show in February, must publish the decision but there are no legal or financial penalties, Annelie Ulfhielm, an official of Sweden's Broadcasting Commission, said.

"Different views were expressed, but all longer remarks gave voice to the opinion that Saddam Hussein was a threat to the United States and should be the target of attack," Sweden's Broadcasting Commission said today.