Poll:Is Dean really the one that can beat Bush?

[jfkennedy]

Poll question: Poll:Is Dean really the one that can beat Bush?

Granted Wesley Clark is way up in the polls and all Deans PR has been sponsored by the Republican Party but in 2004 whom will you vote for?

Poll: Who will be elected the next president in 2004?

[quinnox]

1. My pick isn't listed

John Forbes Kerry.

[Capn Sunshine]

51. which indicates a peculiar motivation

How could a serious poll not include Kerry ?

[Sweetpea]

2. where are the other candidates?

[jagguy]

4. really

Sharpton and no Lieberman ? Kucinich and no Gephardt ? Oh, and that Kerry guy ?

[quinnox]

11. This"poll" doesn't make sense

Maybe next time he should put "Who is the only one who can beat Bush?" and put Clark's name as the only choice. That way the result will be the one wanted.

[Kanola]

39. I agree

He thinks Clark , who has not even announced whether or not he is in, is the only one. If Clark announces I will look at where he stands but not now.

[AnnabelLee]

3. Link, please

to back up your assertion that all Dean's PR has been sponsored by the Republican Party. Thanks in advance.

[Bombtrack]

13. The corporate media has been promoting him for months

and ignoring people like Edwards and Graham, the one's 9 out of 10 political scientists would agree are the one's with the best chances in the general

a couple of months ago it was all about "it's between Dean and Kerry" and ever since Dean won the seocnd quarter fundraising battle, it's been "dean might as well be the winner", contrast that with the completely ignored surprise fundraising victory that Edwards had in the first quarter(while he was doing well in the NH polls)

[indictrichardperle]

37. what has Edwards said that deserves to be quoted ?

besides "I support the presidents just and moral invasion of Iraq" (said on Hardball) :puke:

[robsul82]

5. Dude...

...he's a Clarkite. And it's typical Democratic behavior to attack each other like wolves while the real wolves laugh their asses off just over the hill. You think Rove isn't drooling over this? Shameful. We can all support our own candidates, but baseless, stupid accusations and the like do NOT help.

Later.

RJS

[Cha]

12. This poster is always throwing out shit about Dean!

It's expected!

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[dorktv]

9. Excuse me...I have been a Deaner for six months and I have

yet to see a Repuke handing out Dean stuff.

[roughsatori]

20. Did you read my post?

The title was a quote from the original post and I called it a blatant lie.

[dorktv]

28. Oh sorry.

:blush: I feel stupid now. :(

[JohnKleeb]

10. so am I

and it is bull. I do wish we got what they got, all that money and momentum. sigh I wish we had tahat

[gristy]

7. jfk, you should write the questions for a Clark poll

Your man should come out pretty well!

[Tinoire]

23. I think he does... n/t

[0rganism]

8. Your poll is wacked, jfkennedy

You have 10 slots, so you could have listed all 9 current Dem contenders and a bush.

Also, you asked two questions: who will you vote for, and who will win. Thus, several people have polled for bush because they consider him a likely winner.

Finally, you make an unsupported assertion that Dean's PR has been sponsored by the republican party. That, from all I can gather, is a crock of rather slimey effluent.

In short, if there is a subset of the Democratic contenders that can beat bush at all, Dean is among them.

[DuctapeFatwa]

14. PNAC picked bush for the anchor job because he's disposable

They're not stupid. They knew that some sort of election show would be hard to avoid.

Dumping bush and "putting a Democrat face" on the PNAC strategy just as there is all this talk of "putting an Iraqi face" on Iraq will be an effective way of stifling dissent while continuing on the path to achieving the junta's goals and objectives, both military and financial.

It appears that Karl Rove, AIPAC and even the old Butcher himself, Ariel Sharon, have agreed that Dean seems to be the winner of the "most likely to do what he's told award," although it is early days yet, and there may be someone even more similar to bush being talked to in some room somewhere.

Whoever the lucky guy is, he'll have access to a bunker.

Unfortunately, we won't.

[jfkennedy]

15. A vote for Dean is a vote for Bush

Trust me I know that liberals are unpopular and that all these votes for Dean are votes for Bush. In 2004 if Dean is on the ticket it will be 44% Dean and 56% Bush. If Wesley Clark is on the ticket it will be 73% Clark 27% Bush. I can prove this by the fact that the media does not publish Clark being the winner.

[dorktv]

17. Um is it usually more prudent to support someone who has

actually said he is going to run? Last I checked Clark really had not said he was running...officially or not.

[wuushew]

19. You claim that Dean is a liberal?! ......he is a centrist by all accounts

his platform baring gun control can be said to be very similar to Gore's who did win the 2000 election.

[zeemike]

22. Bull

I don’t think you are full of it you are just full of propaganda. What are you basing it on some poll of 600 “likely” voters?
Or do you live in a gated community and think the whole world is Republican like?
If Dean can energize the voters to come out and vote Bush will not stand a chance in a fair election.
If Clark is running against him no one will care who wins.

[0rganism]

24. Dean is NOT a liberal, remember?

I keep seeing this wierd shit, where the Kucinich guys will post that Dean isn't liberal and the Lieberman fans say Dean is too liberal. Reality is probably somewhere in-between.

Dean is DLC.

Dean is also a solid campaigner.

Dean knows how to give a speech.

You write him off far too soon.

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[lynndew2]

41. With all the infighting

There wont be a canidate with enough left to beat shrub. You will not find a canidate that agrees with you 100% unless you are lying to yourself. Why cant we all talk about the ideas and what they are for instead of trashing each other for wanting a good canidate. Do you follow Dean, Kerry, clark, ect. Without question? That is no different then bieng an anti-dittohead and blindly following your canidate. I dont care who, well some (Lieberman) I dont want. But the infighting is just playing into the rupukes hands and believe me they are loving it.

[dudeness]

46. most sensible thing I have read today

its all i ever say..party unity and real policies will win..

[Andromeda]

55. You are misinformed...

Dean is a centrist who stance on issues is broad and inclusive. You can't put a liberal label on him because he is too pragmatic to be called a liberal.

[ryharrin]

16. I'm not much of a Kerry fan, but why isn't he on there?

BTW - Voted for Dean. And what do you mean Clark is way up in the polls? The highest I have seen is 4%. And Dean's PR has been sponsored by his 100,000 regular person donors.

[jfkennedy]

21. So what

Bush has millions of sponsors that will vote for Dean because he will divide the swing vote. I am not a green sellout, I just want to let you know the facts that Dean voters will not win against bush in 2004 2008 or 2012.

The Democrats lost in 2002. Lost I repeat lost.

All this party line unity is b***s** and is just a vote for Bush.

[ryharrin]

26. Why are you presenting it as a fact that Dean will lose to bush?

He's not the wide eyed liberal you're calling him. He's also not the disgusting conservative others are calling him. He explains his positions with force, and in plain language. His foreign policy is based much more in the real world than Bush's, and is much closer to the average person's view. What would cause someone looking at both Dean and Bush to vote for Bush? Less health care? Hatred of gays? We've already lost those people so don't worry about them.

[Tinoire]

18. ANOTHER Poll from the JFK School of Marketing for Clark?

You guys must really be getting desperate. Is this where & how you're taking your blind polls?

I wish we could get you guys to stop because you're doing your cause more harm than good. On second thought, naw- don't stop because you're helping everyone's cause but your own.

I'm not embarrassed for you but I am embarrassed for the sincere Clark supporting Old DUers who get associated with this tripe only because they have the misfortune of supporting the same candidate.

[roughsatori]

25. some Clark supporters here have made me examine any

thoughts that I have about Clark being a viable contender.

[0rganism]

27. I trust the candidate to be seperable from his fanatical supporters

From what I've seen of his background, Clark might be a great guy to run for the POTUS. Or he might be the perfect Secretary of Defense. Or he could be some nutcase who has bigass skeletons waiting in the closet.

I don't know.

But doesn't it seem strange that certain Clarkites accuse Dean of having GOP backers? The time-honored tactic is for republicans to accuse others of doing what they already do. Makes me wonder about the "hard sell" I'm seeing from them.

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[jfkennedy]

34. I don't want to work for Clark

Clark can hate me all he wants I could care less. I like Clark because I like Clark. I have no goals of working for him once he is elected to be our greatest American president in history. I will just be happy that Bush it out of office and someone will stop the world conflicts.

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[Tinoire]

35. That is really SICK!

Most of my Jewish friends ARE Dean supporters and you know why?!

Cause they're a bunch of fucking proud liberals like me!

Let me seize this opportunity to say GOOD-BYE to you!

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[meti57b]

31. now that Dean is ahead, I wholeheartedly support him.

He's showing that he can win!

[diamondsoul]

36. No offense meant, but

you back the guy who looks like he can win? What if that were Shrub?

[mndemocrat_29]

38. Where's Kerry and Gephardt?

I voted for Dean, because Clark isn't in the race yet and I have no idea how he'll do.

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[jfkennedy]

45. In 2004 I will laugh at your theory

On election day 2004 if Dean is against bush I will say to you all I told you so, once Bush becomes president.

[haymaker]

49. I'll bet you'll be laughing, as you cast

a vote for Bush. Come out from under the bridge.

[Ein]

47. Keep em coming

down and dirty, I want the frigging scoop on these guys, down to the deoderant they use. The Democrats aren't getting my vote if they play fast and loose with thier nominees.

[Dover]

43. I just assume a convicted criminal won't be allowed to run in 2004...

But Bush might just start a fashion trend for prison stripes.

[Ein]

44. When...

Someone is all over the media, called a liberal all over the media (to the contrary), and the base builds, of course the majority are going to vote for him.

When someone is marginalized in the media, and is a true liberal... well, story is different.

It all makes me very suspicious.

[DarienComp]

50. sorry, WHAT??

Look, it's fine to be for Wesley Clark. It's fine not to like Howard Dean. Can you PLEASE not insult the tens of thousands of people who have been to Dean's meet-ups and volunteered for his campaign? We're the ones who are helping Dean surge, not the Republican Party.

Really, it's just rude.

[jfkennedy]

54. I don't care

Frankly I don't care how many people go to Dean events. Many went to Nader events and in 2000 he was campaigning for Bush.

[Cocoa]

52. where's Kerry and Gephardt

it doesn't make any sense to leave them off, or for you not to answer the people asking why.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

53. This is a bullshit poll without Kerry and Lieberman

Neither has been ruled out yet. BTW, I am undecided, but posts like this are simply so intellectually dishonest as to be a big part of the brain drain on DU.

Post as honest poll with all of the candidates or don't post a poll.

Seems to me to be looking for a flame and NOT a discussion.