Is there a link for the execution video yet?

[DrWeird]

Apparently the American media are not showing it at all. They're purposely blacking out the offending shot.

I myself have not seen it yet. That said. Everybody needs to see the video. Capture a relevant image. And link and post it everywhere possible. The poor guy was shot in our name. The least we can do is see it and show it.

[eleonora]

1. sick link but

if it ever gets online it WILL be at ogrish.com...

[Renew Deal]

2. Here

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1043.htm

[BlueEyedSon]

3. It's not blacked out, and it's not sensational. So relax.

You basically can't see anything.

And concentrating on one death (which could have been an "insurgent") is sorta missing the point, dontcha think?

[rkc3]

9. You're right, what's more disturbing is...

the fact that 1000's of men have been rounded up in Fallujah on the suspicion they are insurgents. The assumption is that if you're 18-49 and still in the city - you are an insurgent.

Soon they'll be at my front door asking why I haven't left home.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

4. This is one reason why Americans are so dumb

about what is going on. Many terrible things are happening, and the news here never says a word about it. Just like they pretended the entire world didn't protest us going into Iraq in the first place....

[tk2kewl]

5. i came across the link on DU

saturday night or sunday morning... have a search

[DrWeird]

6. Apparently this is new.

nt

[ogradda]

7. THE place for that stuff

ogrish.com - be warned, i saw the nick berg video and have been sorry ever since.:scared:

[NJ_Lib]

10. Thanks for confirming for me I made the right...

decision to not view the Nick Berg video...

[tk2kewl]

8. the incident just reported on NBC is different

from the one shown in the clip referenced in this thread

[Devil Dog Dem]

11. THAT's IT???

What the hell? This is the war crime DUers are screaming about?

Shooting a wounded combatant is not in itself a war crime. Just because someone is wounded doesn't mean they themselves can't kill a Marine, and that U.S. troops can't continue to shoot him. We can't see what this guy is doing, or if he still had a weapon in his hand. Being wounded doesn't mean there is a "time out" and people have to help you.

Sorry DU, but this is pretty piss poor if you are citing it as evidence of a war crime.

[teach1st]

12. Most people are talking about a different video...

..available on BBC showing a soldier killing a very wounded, unarmed Iraqi.

[Devil Dog Dem]

15. Any link on that?

eom

[teach1st]

16. Not that I know of....

http://news.bbc.co.uk/

I mucked around their video links until I saw this: "10:00 update" It's in that clip, after a smoking ban story. I can't see it in my history. Sorry.

Here's a description:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20041115/wl_nm/iraq_marine_shooting_dc_2

[wtmusic]

13. agreed

There is a night-and-day difference between this situation and the one involving Gus Covarrubias, who *is* a war criminal: he told the soldier to turn around, then shot him twice in the back of the head, taking personal effects as "souveniers".



http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0426-09.htm

[Devil Dog Dem]

14. I agree. What is his status?

Has Covarribias been charged yet?

[wtmusic]

20. Fucking bastard got off

Says he 'made it up'

http://www.reviewjournal.com/lvrj_home/2004/May-18-Tue-2004/news/23906187.html

[Devil Dog Dem]

35. Yeah! After his lawyer "talked some sense" into him.

I'm sure there was no other evidence, so he got away with it.

[ekhunter]

17. this is not a war crime

these soldiers were just taking fire from this scumbag

[wtmusic]

19. Too bad dude

Summary execution is a war crime. Period.

Civilized people live by rules, even in a war.

[Devil Dog Dem]

23. How is that a summary execution?

You don't even know what the guy is doing.
Was he lying down? Was he standing up? Was he armed? Unarmed? Hell you can't even tell us if he was conscious.

All you know is that a Marine says he was wounded, and that another Marine fires his weapon and says "he's done" (or words to that effect). Even if the guy was wounded, and then shot by the other Marine, shooting a combatant is allowed, even when he is wounded. So how do you know he wasn't a combatant? I can't say one way or another, but you are making the accusation.

Pretty strong accusation your making, where's your evidence?

[wtmusic]

25. Nah I'm talking about Covarrubias

we're on the same page

[Devil Dog Dem]

27. WHOA! MY BAD! SORRY TO HAVE UNLOADED ON YOU!

I agree with you. No excuse for that guy's actions (maybe a manslaughter type plea, just like if you killed your wife's lover in a rage, but no blanket excuse).

Sorry man, I feel like a Dick Cheney now for "getting in your face"

[wtmusic]

29. That *was* pretty "Cheneyed-up" of you

j/k I've been subjected to much worse here ;-)

[Devil Dog Dem]

32. Yeah, me too.

And by people who didn't understand that I was agreeing with them!

[RyomaSakamoto]

26. you must live in america or the uk where this footage has been censored

by BIG BROTHER or you would be aware that the video shows a wounded, unarmed nonthreatening, man executed in cold blood.

thank GORE he 'invented' the INTERNET :bounce:

##########

The actual shooting has been blacked out.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/default.st...

Upper right:
Click "Watch BBC News in Video"

Then click on:
News bulletins
One, Six and Ten O'Clock News
(lower right)

It is about 1/4 of the way through.

DU...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2697450#2698076

psst... pass the word ;->

[bobbyboucher]

31. You're wrong too.

Read more about it, those Iraqis were wounded the day before, disarmed and were awaiting medical care or to be evacuated to a prison camp, or hospital, or somewhere, when these sensational guys came in and murdered one of them that dared to breath.

It was cold-blooded, sick-ass, stupid shit that happens when cowards send kids into dishonorable situations like Fallujah.

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[wtmusic]

30. I believe there is confusion as to which incident

yesterday there was video showing a soldier around a corner who was shot and killed

[Devil Dog Dem]

36. To think that I felt bad about unloading on you . . .

when my post was pretty tame, but incorrect.
Think this moron will apologize?
I won't hold my breath.

[Contrary1]

37. Devil Dog Dem...

Have you seen the video from the mosque? That's the one they are referring to. If you haven't, you can find a link I posted at the bottom of the thread.

[Devil Dog Dem]

38. Couldn't open it, but that wasn't the video we were discussing.

It was another video that does NOT show a war crime -- at least not clear evidence of a war crime, as advertised.

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[oneighty]

18. CBS News

showed it on evening news. The fellow the American shot had been wounded and was left in a mosque to wait for medical attention by other marines.

So it was shown

180

[RyomaSakamoto]

21. No need for aid, say marines

No need for aid, say marines
From correspondents in Fallujah
November 15, 2004

The US military says it sees no need for the Iraqi Red Crescent to deliver aid to people inside Fallujah, and does not think any Iraqi civilians are trapped inside the city.

"There is no need to bring (Red Crescent) supplies in because we have supplies of our own for the people," said US Marine Colonel Mike Shupp.

"Now that the bridge (into Fallujah) is open I will bring out casualties and all aid work can be done here (at Fallujah's hospital)."

He said he had not heard of any Iraqi civilians being trapped inside the city and did not think that was the case.

more...
http://www.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,4057,11389376%255E401,00.html

DU...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=989728&mesg_id=989728

[berni_mccoy]

22. This is nothing... they've done much worse than this before

Check out this video from earlier this year:

http://www.bushflash.com/rm/shoot_pc.ram

[Contrary1]

24. Link to video

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2697450#2698076