Hitler's faith based initiative.

[gordianot]

I found this excellent article on Buzz Flash by Maureen Farrell. See link below.

"A couple weeks ago, while asserting that the Founding Founders intended for the U.S. government to be infused with Christianity, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia said that the Holocaust was able to flourish in Germany because of Europe's secular ways. "Did it turn out that, by reason of the separation of church and state, the Jews were safer in Europe than they were in the United States of America?" Scalia asked a congregation at Manhattan's Shearith Israel synagogue. "I don't think so."

One might expect regular citizens to be ignorant of history, but a Supreme Court Justice? Does he imagine that the phrase "Gott mit Uns" was a German clothier's interpretation of "Got Milk"?

If photographic evidence of the Third Reich's Christian leanings were not enough, Hitler's own speeches and writings prove, at the very least, that he presented many of the same faith-based arguments heard in America today. Religion in the schools? Hitler was for it. Intellectuals who practiced "anti-Christian, smug individualism"? According to Hitler, their days were numbered. Divine Providence's role in shaping Germany's ultimate victory? Who could argue? In other words, there is enough historical evidence to color Scalia deluded."

See link: http://www.buzzflash.com/farrell/04/12/far04041.html

I know the Hitler Bush comparisons are old news, but the more you think about it.......

[donhakman]

1. snip

George Bush is not Hitler. America is not Nazi Germany. But buying into religious assertions or thinking that God is on your side is not wise when it comes to matters of war -- particularly when that war is an aggressive preventative war based on false premises and assumptions.

So, aside from Jerry Falwell, who speaks with hate-filled authority, most of us do not know how God will judge us. We will have to settle for History's imperfect record.

All of this begs the question, however. Given his assertions regarding God's role in helping him decide policy ("I pray that I be as good a messenger of His will as possible" Bush told Woodward. . . "I felt so strongly that was the right thing to do") how does Bush view the more mundane, secular implications of his actions? When asked by Woodward how History would judge the war in Iraq, Bush replied: "History. We don't know. We'll all be dead."

I challenge anyone to find the moral value in that.

[gordianot]

2. Read Mein Kampf Hitler had a (sick) purpose.

I am not sure of Bush's purpose. It is not financial profit I once thought it was. I am no longer sure.

Reading Mein Kampf is forced labor, I think very few have read it.

[tom_paine]

3. Yes, our Totalitarianism will be different than Germany's

Naturally, Totalitarianism MUST be chimeric because it is always discredited when it rears it's ugly head again and again.

And it always reshapes itself and assumes new form because human beings are drawn to it like a moth to a flame, the idea of not having to think, to close your eyes and trust Der Fuhrer, or if you will George Bush: Our Leader



Bush may not be Hitler and Imperial Amerika may not be Nazi Germany.

But we are now Second Cousins at least, and I pray we don't move any closer.



If THAT ain't bad enough for you, there's one of Bush with the Cross besides him JUST LIKE THE HITLER (but I couldn't find it).

[not systems]

4. The cross photo.

http://fileserv8.soundclick.com/images/n/lyrics/notsystems+youhatefreedom.jpg

[tom_paine]

5. That is the original, but photoshopped, I think

(certainly memory could be faulty, but that is what I think)

I don't remember the AP photo being quite so overboard. Maybe just the cross or just the crown or perhaps cross AND crown at once, but definitely NOT the word "Lord" over Tiberius' head.

Thanks for posting that, though, because the original is buried out there somewhere.

Any body got a link to the original?

[onager]

8. A good book on the subject...

Hitler: The Psychopathic God by Robert R.G. Waite.

During WWII, Waite was a psychiatrist assigned to a special team that tried to figure out Hitler's mentality and use it in propaganda. What we would call "Black Ops" nowadays.

Standard Disclaimer: as an atheist, I don't have a god in this fight.

My Own Summary, YMMV:

Like much of his bizarre personality, Hitler's religious beliefs were complex and inconsistent. He apparently died as he lived, a fairly devout Catholic whose beliefs had been formed as the choirboy he once had been.

OTOH, when Italy pulled out of the war in 1943, Hitler went on a rant and threatened to hang the Pope from the balcony overlooking St. Peter's Square.

But like some other politicans I won't mention but whose initals are GWB, Hitler was tremendously aware of religion's power over the average citizen.

At one point, some senior Nazis expressed a desire to quit going to church. As I remember, they were annoyed by a few bleeding-heart liberal clerics who objected to Nazi policies.

Hitler absolutely forbade that. He told them to be in church every Sunday, and to make sure they were seen there. (Odd aside: one of the very best German generals nobody ever heard of, Gotthard Heinrici, once received a "suggestion" from the local Nazis that he was attending church too much. Heinrici's father was a preacher, and on his mother's side he was descended from military leaders dating back to the Teutonic Knights. Heinrici started attending church even more, with his whole family at his side. In full military uniform. With all his medals and decorations.)

In one of the rare instances of Hitler showing humor, he once sat through an "Aryan Xmas Celebration" concocted by Heinrich Himmler. (A Pre-New-Age pseudo-mystic whose crackpottery is often wrongly attributed to Hitler.)

This consisted of SS men in lederhosen flinging blonde madchen around a dance floor while invoking the spirits of Odin, etc.

Hitler turned to someone in his party and dead-panned: "I don't think this will ever replace "Silent Night."

[m berst]

6. Hitler pandered

Hitler pandered to the Christians when it served his purpose, just as he did to the socialists and the SA, Once he didn't need them, he dumped them.

[RBHam]

7. Scalia is not deluded - he's actively deceiving his audience...

I have no doubt he secretly lauds the madman's intentions.

the Catholic Church gave Hitler an elaborate memorial at the Vatican upon his death and Hitler was given the title "Defender of the Christian Faith" by the Pope before the War...

on december 7th, 1941, the vatican council of churches issued a proclamation calling for the "victory of german arms" over those godless communist russians...

Although it must be Stressed that Hitler ultimately planned on turning on the Catholics too and instituting his own universal teutonic version of the faith.

[KnowerOfLogic]

9. Seems like Europe's secularism was the *result* of WW2, not its cause.

Hitler definitely played the christian card to gain the support of germany's largely christian population. Germany is the birthplace of Martin Luther, for Christ's sake; where is Scalia'e evidence that germany was some kind of atheistic/secular state pre WW2?

[KlatooBNikto]

10. Like everyone associated with this fraudulent administration, Scalia

is a propagandist.Truth is incidental to what he says.

[tom_paine]

11. EXACTLY! But since when does Orwellian Pravda have to make sense

Scalia knows that he can speak this madness with impunity, because of the ignorance of history of the Imperial Subjects of Amerika as well as the weakness and cowardice of the Formerly Free Press (who wouldn't touch that quite obvious and factual correction with a 20 foot pole that has made this takeover and transition possible.

History is rewritten every day, by the boldest, most thorough, and MOST SUCCESSFUL Orwellian Deceiver's since the Nazis.

It is simply amazing. They lie pathologically, completely, and without scruple.

Leo Strauss would have been proud of these monsters.