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Julius Civitatus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 12:37 PM Original message |
Christmas "under siege"? Christmas is a PAGAN tradition |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 12:39 PM Response to Original message |
1. Christmas has been under siege by Corporate America... |
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displacedtexan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
2. I made a new bumper sticker today! What do you think? |
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Julius Civitatus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 12:48 PM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Funny |
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displacedtexan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 01:00 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. You should read my blog entry: Worst. Christmas Films. Ever. |
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LynzM (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 12:52 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. LOL |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 01:21 PM Response to Original message |
6. troll the ancient YULE-TIDE carol |
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eShirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 01:39 PM Response to Reply #6 |
9. P.S. make the Yule-tide gay |
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bleedingheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 01:28 PM Response to Original message |
7. My family celebrates using pagan customs... |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 01:29 PM Response to Original message |
8. It will also be construed by some Christians on this board..... |
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OnlyInAmerica (133 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
10. No it isn't |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:02 PM Response to Reply #10 |
12. Significance of December 25th.... |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:04 PM Response to Reply #12 |
15. Yet, none of these things addresses the fact that Christmas is |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:17 PM Response to Reply #15 |
22. Why ADDRESS that fact? |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:18 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. I don't see how the birth of Christ, which is what Christians celebrate... |
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CatholicEug (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:42 PM Response to Reply #12 |
48. Uh, not quite |
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CatholicEug (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:44 PM Response to Reply #12 |
51. For your entertainment |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:03 PM Response to Reply #10 |
14. Christianity co-opted the existing Pagan celebration |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:05 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. And this means what about the sincerity of Christians celebrating.. |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:19 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. I appreciate the "sincerity" of some Christians. |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:29 PM Response to Reply #24 |
35. You could say that about subsets of any group.... |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:24 PM Response to Reply #16 |
29. I don't know about "sincerity" but the snottiness and holier-than-thou |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:31 PM Response to Reply #29 |
37. I'm a non-Christian.....what examples of "snottiness and holier-than-thou. |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:55 PM Response to Reply #37 |
57. The fake controversy about taking "Christ" out of Christmas for starters |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:58 PM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Maybe its a quirk of mine.... |
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Julius Civitatus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:12 PM Response to Reply #10 |
20. Let me specify |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:20 PM Response to Reply #20 |
26. "The way we celebrate Christmas TODAY has very little to do with Christ" |
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Julius Civitatus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:26 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Read my original post again |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:32 PM Response to Reply #31 |
39. Isn't it sad that Christmas needs a defender at DU.... |
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Julius Civitatus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:34 PM Response to Reply #39 |
40. Good for you |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:35 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Welll...I finally feel a little love flowing my way... |
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Julius Civitatus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:37 PM Response to Reply #42 |
45. It's all good, my friend |
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TO Kid (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
11. Misleading at best |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:06 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. Not a real good analogy |
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Julius Civitatus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:16 PM Response to Reply #11 |
21. Wrong |
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TO Kid (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 03:01 PM Response to Reply #21 |
63. Constantine just made it official |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
13. Great points |
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UdoKier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:10 PM Response to Reply #13 |
19. They don't go ape shit. They don't care. |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:24 PM Response to Reply #19 |
27. I disagree |
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UdoKier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:39 PM Response to Reply #27 |
47. Good memory there! |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:44 PM Response to Reply #27 |
52. But this thread is not a "comparison of Christianity to paganism"... |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:52 PM Response to Reply #52 |
56. roots and comparison |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:56 PM Response to Reply #56 |
58. If you are comparing rituals...then why did you state this was |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:58 PM Response to Reply #58 |
59. Paganism... |
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TO Kid (565 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 03:04 PM Response to Reply #19 |
65. You got that right |
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UdoKier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
18. Who cares? |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:20 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. By your own admission |
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UdoKier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:26 PM Response to Reply #25 |
32. I don't take it as an affront. I'm an atheist. |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:28 PM Response to Reply #32 |
34. And this is an excuse to bash Liberals.... |
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Behind the Aegis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:30 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. ? |
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UdoKier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:36 PM Response to Reply #36 |
43. Because it's so totally off the subject. |
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Julius Civitatus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:24 PM Response to Reply #18 |
28. Well, some people care |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:24 PM Response to Reply #18 |
30. The whole controversy was invented by religious nutcases. |
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UdoKier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:28 PM Response to Reply #30 |
33. I agree with that. |
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Julius Civitatus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:31 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Nobody is discussing that |
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UdoKier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:38 PM Response to Reply #38 |
46. Aren't they? |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:36 PM Response to Reply #33 |
44. I find anthropology & comparative religion fascinating. |
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UdoKier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:43 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. If that was the context of the discussion, it might be interesting. |
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CatholicEug (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:35 PM Response to Original message |
41. Christmas -- Christ's Mass |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:43 PM Response to Reply #41 |
49. So, celebrate Christ's birth on any day you choose. |
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CatholicEug (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:48 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. They hate Catholics |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:59 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. I was raised Catholic in Texas. |
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CatholicEug (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 03:25 PM Response to Reply #61 |
66. What on earth .... |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 03:46 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Wrong website. Here's the information on the Dominionists. |
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CatholicEug (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 03:50 PM Response to Reply #67 |
68. I repeat |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 04:00 PM Response to Reply #68 |
69. No. Let me reword it more simply. |
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CatholicEug (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 04:06 PM Response to Reply #69 |
70. NO |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 04:08 PM Response to Reply #70 |
71. It's easy to live in a simple world. |
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CatholicEug (126 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 04:10 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. See above. |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 04:34 PM Response to Reply #72 |
74. I knew you really wouldn't leave.... |
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Julius Civitatus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:50 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Yup |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 02:52 PM Response to Reply #49 |
55. You're trying to have you cake and eat it too... |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 03:00 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. Which particular statement of mine criticizes Christians? |
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tx_dem41 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 03:04 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. I question the agenda behind this general issue, but since I see |
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Lisa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 04:34 PM Response to Original message |
73. the Puritans were way more "anti-Christmas" than most secularists |
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VaYallaDawg (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-20-04 04:47 PM Response to Original message |
75. I think the whole thing is another cooked-up "crisis" |
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