forgive me, but thoughts on 9/11 that i had to let out

[Liberate]

Okay ive tried to hold back and this post will probraly be closed, but i cant hold back anymore. Everytime I heard a heart breaking story, a body found or tears and screams, it has built up to this.
Excuse me for letting myself so go, but im angry and hurt and I think more people should consider all of this for a change. The War On Terror is the greatest scheme in the history of mankind. Started by extremist neo conservatives for Imperialism, and carried out by a heartless, shameless used car salesman for a President. What do I mean by all of this? What I mean is..Is that They let it happen,Bush got the memo, the Cia had the idea, and the attacks went thru anyway. Why would I say they let it 9/11 happen? Am I a conspiracy theorist? No.
Cheney once gave a speech, about getting our hands on oil in the Caspian sea(located in Afghanistan) no matter what the price..Just type in caspian sea and cheney in a search engine,and you'll probraly find what im referring to. The Taliban was threatend by U.S officials to give up there oil supply, or be "blanketed in a carpet of bombs".Once again a search engine search with any of those phrases joined will detail a story on that. Taliban officials at the time decided to consider giving up much of there oil to a South American country instead, and it most likely drove the oil industry which is running the Bush White House mad.
So how do we start a war for the Oil industry, limit civil liberties which we dislike? Let memo's be forgotten, Hold back on any meetings concerning terroism, Make sure national defense is not prepared to defend during an attack.
Then when all is right, Find youre boogie man. Someone who lives in a cave a thousand miles away. Give them all a face to hate, a face that lives in an area, that you need to attack to start the decade old plan for Imperailism. How do we not know that this was not carried out by a Yemen, or an Egyptian Group? Such as the first attack was linked to.
It doesnt matter, The point being is that a few more men needed to get richer, a few more men needed more power, and those dark figures came to power during Bush's selection and the plan to let this happen began. In the PNAC papers, a reference is shown and I paraphrase" that nothing short of a pearl harbor disaster can take place before we begin a quest for imperialism" Bush came to the wtc site with cold eyes, he didnt care, lives are expendable to him when it comes to politics, same with the Oil industry. This was mass murder. Its disgusting, its a scheme, and those terroist along with this Government Commited it, and the cover-ups will never allow to show what this was all really about. Documents long shredded and blacked out. This is one sad story that has destroyed what we all love..freedom

[WilliamPitt]

1. No one will close this thread

[Liberate]

2. one more thing

I despise and hate bin laden just as much as anyone else, along with the terrorist who planned it all. I just thought I should make mention of that.

[IranianDemocrat]

3. How would you have responded to 9-11?

Sing kumbaya?

[Liberate]

5. No.

I wouldve Threatened Saudi Arabia first(the majority of hijackers being saudis and funded by saudi charities) then attacked Afghanistan.
Then I wouldve made sure the freedoms that this country loves are protected, rather then taken away. While letting the Afghans have control of there oil, and not us.

[lcordero]

10. Hate to tell you

But the * administration has NO PROOF that it was Saudi Arabia. Last time I checked 7 of the 19 supposed hijackers were still alive.

[Sick of Bullshit]

6. You don't have a clue, do you

1) On 9-7, Florida governor (pretzeldent's brother) declares a state of emergency, specifically mentioning the "threat of terrorism". He is the only governor to do so. Why?

2) On the morning of 9-11, Bu$$$h, on his way to an elementary school, is asked about whether he knows about the "incident in New York". He says he'll make a statement later.

3) In the classroom, Bu$$$h is told about the second attack by Chief of Staff Andy Card, who casually whispers something in his ear for two seconds, then backs away. Bu$$$h just sits there like an idiot for a while, then picks up a book and continues with the lesson for 15 minutes or so after that.

4) Later, Bu$$$h says on at least three different occasions that he saw the FIRST attack LIVE, on TV, in the school hallway. However, the first attack was NOT shown LIVE-- on regular TV

5) Within hours, profiles and pictures of the "hijackers" are compiled by the FBI, who show remarkable speed given that several high-profile murders took them months, even years to solve. LOTS of dubious "evidence", plus lots of equally dubious "9-11 stories" fill the newspapers adn airwaves. The public is ready to attack whoever is "guilty".

6) A convenient enemy is found-- Osama bin Laden. Osama just happens to be a member of a family that the Bu$$$h family has known for years, and who even sit as directors on the same company (Carlyle Group). Of course, everyone hates Osama, and there's no question that HE did it, because it fits his MO, right?

7) Osama just happens to be hiding in Afghanistan, or so it is said, and the Taliban don't want to give him up (even though they offer to turn him over to a third party). So, we have to bomb Afghanistan, right?

8) Thousands of civilian deaths and millions of dollars of destruction later, Osama is nowhere to be found. However, the Taliban are out, and they are replaced by Karzai, an ex-oil company consultant who just happens to ink a sweetheart deal to let an American company, not the previously decided Argentine company, build the long-desired pipeline to carry oil from the Caspian Sea basin through Afghanistan to Pakistan, who also happen to be our ally in this little endeavor.

Lots more

[ixion]

7. also, there's no way that those planes could have taken down the WTC

this essay makes it very clear.


http://www.serendipity.li/wot/holmgren01.htm

[maggrwaggr]

12. let's not start THAT again

:eyes:

[DisgustipatedinCA]

11. You sure are being hateful

I don't come here to see people spew hate and venom. I know where to get that sort of thing if I ever want it (and no, I never do).

Would you consider toning it down, please?

[maggrwaggr]

14. I would have made sure it didn't happen in the first place

that's the whole fucking point, ID

[Booberdawg]

4. You are not alone

Many here feel the same way you do.

This thread is not going to be locked or deleted.:)

I'm glad you shared your thoughts and quit holding that back.

:hi:

[grasswire]

9. there's a word for how you feel

...and it is "radicalized." In a sense, it means that your vision has become very clear and you see things in a totally different way.

Becoming radicalized is very wrenching. The innocence is gone. The world we were taught to believe in is painted sour. We were lied to even before the Bushes came on the scene. Many of us were radicalized during the Vietnam era. Many during Watergate. Now events are coming to a head, and the newly radicalized, in a lot of pain, join the elders in the continuing march for human rights and dignity.

The key is this. One person has little power to remedy the wrongs. But ENOUGH people can do it. ENOUGH people could protect the 2004 election. ENOUGH people can make an ungodly noise no matter how far away the First Amendment Zone is. ENOUGH people, mobilized in civil disobedience, could provide cover for a Republican challenger to Bush. ENOUGH people could actually peel away GOP support for WH policies.

Join hands. Put action to your radicalism. Now is the hour.

[Booberdawg]

19. You didn't get all that from my post here

You must have seen some of my other posts.:evilfrown:

On edit: or maybe you intended to respond to the originator of this thread.

[Eloriel]

8. You can relax. You're among friends.

Oh, there's the odd hold-out, or the newbie at DU who hasn't thought it through, or read all of what we've read.

IOW: We know. Just as you know.

Welcome to DU.

Eloriel

[dudeness]

13. our children will find the truth

as is a familiar ploy within the "intelligence community" papers telling the real truth will float to the surface in 30 or so years..carpet bombing the "unpeople" in afghanistan has solved little..except add to the misery of the people..

[Must_B_Free]

15. Yeah but what do you think Howard Dean's favorite food is?

:( Im sick of that shit.

You try to talk about the reality of 9-11 and noone hears you.

Noone wants to know. I think everyone pretty much has figured out what is really going on, but most can't really face it.

Lay out all the facts, forget sketchy rumours or homemade web pages, just stick to commonly known facts and lay out a case. It's all there. You get about 5 replies.

Is all this Democrat Hoohah is to keep us from facing the reality - that killing in the scale that we have killed in Iraq is bordering on Genocide?

[diamondsoul]

16. Your thread won't get closed.

It's just another reason DU exists. I like the way someone else upthread explained it, "radicalized". Welcome to this awful club.

I discovered something here tonight. I can't sleep, see, because I don't want to wake up and face the replays of the lies and the latest newest round of deception. If I havr to face another *anniversary* like this one (*and doesn't that word sound just vile applied to this event?), I want to do it with the truth of what happened to...as I said on the day I watched it all "All those poor, poor people!". I want to face it with a heavy, cold, sharp dose of reality for the whole Godforsaken country. I need it to be different today, and I know it won't be, so I can't sleep.

But what I discovered is that what really eats you alive is knowing and feeling like you're the only one. That's just the way they want it. As long as we think we must be the only ones with the truth, we won't talk about it. More fear to keep us enthralled. I stopped being afraid earlier this evening. I listened to Dennis Kucinich on a radio show he did this morning. He mentioned PNAC on it. I remember thinking "Sweet Jesus, this man just put his life on the line to tell the truth.", and I believe that.

I think these rat-bastards are so brazen they don't think anyone will believe the PNAC is what it appears to be unless it comes from an inside source. Someone who deals with them and knows what they really are and I think, heaven help me, that Dennis took a big chance with his own safety today. By God, if he can be that fearless, then so can I. If Will can do it, so can I. All of these people telling the truth without fear, if they can do it, we all can. The more of us who do, the better our chances of waking up the rest of the still sleeping country.

How much have we got left to lose, really? So please, everyone, stop holding it back. Speak it, scream it, write it, get it OUT every chance you get! It's the only way to take them down.

[Lexingtonian]

17. It is indeed grotesque

I have to admit that I don't go as far as you, into seeing the matter in a Manichaean light. But the overt exploitation of people's irrationality and helplessness by all these people with "moral clarity" is where I share your utter disgust and outrage.

I am painfully convinced that at this point, two years after the fact itself, there has been no adequate response to the events. The people who died are not properly mourned or honored by any of what has been done (other than by their friends and family), even the City has not had the decency to wait a decent interval to "rebuild", and the political meaning of the event(s) has been assigned an easy- and wrong- answer.

Indeed, we handed the terrorists a greater victory than they expected in unleishing a lot of internalized hatred and evil designs of some Americans upon innocents, in indulging the sense of violation- of a thwarted sense of entitlement to an unnegotiated ordering of the world. After all, it was in many ways simply the Triangle Shirtwaist factory fire, scaled up to current dimensions, except for the hopes of the perpetrators. It was internalized hatreds and attitudes, a selfcenteredness, that imploded more than any buildings that day. In thereafter demonstrating to the world a kind of proof that, as the terrorists alleged, America and the Arab world are warring parties both led by evil and immoral fools, most Americans handed the terrorists an enormous victory.

The only true American conspiracy is the one against the public good in the name of private gain, a conspiracy that began when the first colonial charters were written up in London and handed to the would-be colonists. And we have gotten another set of Indian Wars out of the current major participants in the scheme- they have told us the usual: Don't ask questions or think about the real reasons, just kill The Evildoers if we find them and dispossess the powerless Suspect Group; let us herd them away and oppress them so that we can steal what we like from them, what we can claim (in the name of the actual victims) injury enough to demand as compensation.

One day we as a society will acknowledge the true reasons for why all these people died, including the American abuses in the Middle East during the past half century emanating from our post-colonial evolution domestically equal in magnitude to the misplaced hatred of Middle Eastern reactionaries toward the Modern. When we find clarity toward guilt on all culpable sides we will finally be able to mourn the many victims in humility, dignity, and grace. Only then they are truly buried, truly remembered and truly passed on.

But until then the victims of 9/11 will be used as political pawns, as ghosts, as excuses for prideful foolishness and political idiocy and taxpayer theft and interethnic crime.

[leftchick]

18. Liberate, calm down and read this....

All you have said is true and you are not alone. I keep thinking of how the September 11 families feel and came upon this this morning. Please read this, posted by dutchdemocrat in editorials. It is most appropriate for today and made me feel some hope....

http://www.peacefultomorrows.org/voices/voices.php?id=P211