Norquist: WW2 Generation "Un-American"

[JHB]

Have you read Grover Norquist's view of "the Greatest Generation", the one that lived through the Depression and made real sacrifices to fight WW2? Jonathan Chait subbing for Josh Marshal at Talking Points Memo relays a quote:

Grover Norquist: This is an age cohort that voted for a draft before the war started, and allowed the draft to continue for 25 years after the war was over. Their idea of the legitimate role of the state is radically different than anything previous generations knew, or subsequent generations."

Before that generation, whenever you put a draft in, there were draft riots. After that generation, there were draft riots. This generation? No problem. Why not? Of course the government moves people around like pawns on a chessboard. One side spits off labor law, one side spits off Social Security. We will all work until we're 65 and have the same pension. You know, some Bismark, German thing, okay? Very un-American.

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/week_2005_03_13.php#005157

Original source was an article and follow-up in Slate, about an interview Norquist gave to El Mundo:
http://slate.com/id/2107089/
http://slate.msn.com/id/2107473/

This guy needs to be married to his words, and his pals Karl Rove and W with him.

Remember back when Khalid Muhammed was making anti-semitic speeches, and suddenly every black member of congress not only had to denounce him, but practically do it at the snap of a (conservative) finger?
Payback time! Make them denounce him! This should be thrown in the face of every conservative that gets on the air (and especially Norquist himself).

Hit every blog, get it on AA. Make this right-wing Bolshevik eat it.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[BrklynLiberal]

1. Sending it out to my entire list.. Thaks for posting.

Nominating for greatest.

[Protagoras]

2. Norquist and Luntz are a couple of true

UNAMERICANS who'd gladly screw over or see dead millions if it would put a buck in their pocket. They have no clue or concern for ideals or freedoms. They have a simple agenda. Advance their cause for their own maximal profit. Nothing else matters. And as the become more sure of their victory, more and more crap like this will arrogantly spew from their mouths.

Fortunately, pride cometh before the fall Grover.

TIMBER!

[spunky]

3. Who cares that they fought and died to try save

countless Jews from concentration camps, and that WWII was actually a war that needed to be fought. They made government bigger so they are evil and un-american.

Damn them. Maybe we should all start speaking German or Japanese.

Better yet, Norquist should read The Man in the High Castle by Philip K/ Dick. Great little book that asks the question, what if the allies had lost WWII.

[9119495]

22. Be careful here. Our nation did not enter the war to save the Jews

in fact, we turned them away.

We fought fascism and that is great but we took few steps to stop a genocide we knew was going on.

[DS1]

25. Largely in part thanks to subsidies of Standard Oil, GM, and

IBM didn't even bother using a subsidy, they went right over and programmed the tabulation mainframes at all the major concentration camps.

But then, as my good buddy Milton Friedman says, businesses doing business ethically is immoral. :eyes:

[MisterP]

4. ah, yes, he said he couldn't wait for them to die

Behold! The true face of the GOP!

[jwirr]

24. He is going to get the surprise

of his life when he realizes that they had children who learned the lesson at their knees. He should also know that many of us have taught our children to understand the greatness of that generation. Its lessons are just now needed more than ever.

[gordianot]

5. Every so often the Republican Right Wing shows its true colors.

This was my parents generation. I remember our arguments about the draft. Now thirty years later this is much more focused. If anything they were too trusting. They could not see or conceive of their elected officials betraying them. Many trusted Nixon and Reagan and now see their error. We can thank the Bush cabal for that.

I guess a certain amount of trust ensured their survival. They are much more critical today as we have all lived through Republican outrages. Too bad so many of their children the baby-boomer's and grandchildren are making their parents and grandparents mistakes.

[RandomKoolzip]

6. Norquist, according to his own words, is influenced by Communist thinkers.

Is there a bathtub large enough for this bearded hunk of shit to drown himself in?

[JHB]

13. Not just Communists -- Bolsheviks!

You remember them, the guys who seized absolute power in Russia by ruthlessly killing their opposition and destroying all means of organizing against them. Some of the top buchers of the 20th Century. The Bad Guys.

Grover's heros, 'cause they didn't do things by halves.

[SF Bay Area Dem]

7. Can someone tell me exactly what is a "Grover Norquist"?

Can someone tell me exactly what is a "Grover Norquist"? Why do these conservative right wingers have such freaky sounding names?

And why does this whiny little fuck "Grover" have so much power anyway? Who the fuck is he?

Grover Norquist
Rush Limbaugh
Newt Gingrich

They all sound like some kind of venereal disease.

[CottonBear]

8. Don't forget "Saxby Chambliss"

That name sounds like some sort of nasty sex act. Ewwww....
:puke:

[go west young man]

27. We have Erskin Bowles on our side so we can't exactly run for a touchdown

when it comes to screwed up names on the Republican side. Sorry to rain on the parade.

[JHB]

9. Professional Flack, never had a real job

Here, see for yourself from his own bio at his own site:
http://www.atr.org/staff/ggnbio.html

[MADem]

17. Rumor has it that he is a closeted, self-loathing gay man

...who is going to (or has just done) one of those Scotty McClellan 'marriages of convenience'...sorta like Cole Porter, but without the talent and wit.

[PROGRESSIVE1]

10. Norquist is the UNAMERICAN one!

:argh:

[tom_paine]

11. If only they would have behaved more like the Bushfriend Nazis

THEN we wouldn't have this stinking Liberal Welafer State!

:puke: :puke:

Norquist is in and of himself, analogous to a High Nazi Official; and uses many of the same tactics and techniques they pioneered.

You know, I'll bet the Nazis also thought bipartisanship was date-rape, only like Grover, THEY wanted to do the raping.

Like Grover, they got to do all the raping their evil hearts desired for quite some time.

[meow2u3]

12. StopThePendulum: Grover Norquist un-American

Punishing Americans for disagreeing with your drivel is unpatriotic


STP

[applegrove]

14. They hate anything or anybody who hold human empathy as a requirement

for being an adult. Empathy is their worst enemy. They try and reframe it as 'guilt'. The whole world has to be remade into a place where Grover, Karl and the rest of the sociopath are valued. Since sociopaths have no feelings... we have to value their anxious masculinity, their predatoryness and their wealth.

The problem with the 'greatest generation' is that the people who fought in that war were actual adults instead of soldiers or kids. They were human beings with lives and they saw war and felt they had to fight to save democracy... and they saw it was bad.

Then they said: "Never Again".

***holes.

[Spiffarino]

15. Yes, make him eat his words

We've been letting this arrogant little shit fly under the radar for far too long. The time has come to pull his ass from the shadows and show Americans where the RW gets its talking points.

Nominated for Greatest and sending this info to everyone I can. Thanks for a great post.

[KharmaTrain]

16. To Quote My Late Father...

He was born in 1918...lived the Depression and fought in Europe in WWII. His line was "I had a real bad first 25 years, but a real kick ass next 50". He lived a very comfortable life, rasing a famiy and all that rot...and very self-indulgent in the process.

While I detest Norquist, there were many of that generation that helped set in motion the short-attention span, consumer-oriented, self-indulgent society we have now. This was the generation that all but invented television and the ways to manipulate the viewer.

What is so hypocritical is Norquist is probably directing this attack on the many "hard-hats"...the union guys and the middle class and became Democrats. Remember, in Grover's world, partisanship comes ahead of reality.

[GoBlue]

18. Sadly, Mr. Norquist may be right...

if you happen to be of his ilk. And currently, from all appearances, the majority of voting Americans are. I mean afterall,from their point-of-view it was unbridled greed and arrogance that made US the greatest country in the history of mankind. So obviously it is very un-American to give a shit about anyone who isn't.

[markus]

19. Why isn't there ever a s--tstorm over these guys comments?

If someone here on DU suggested this, it would be the topic of the day on right-wing radio.

[Pepperbelly]

20. maybe Grover thinks we were on the wrong side in wwii ...

I mean, he's still goose-stepping even now.

[Daphne08]

21. I did a study of Grover Norquist and the ATR, but

lost all the information in a hard-drive crash.

I remember reading that Norquist had been advocating for Tort Reform (the Class Action Fairness Act of 2005 that recently became law).

Anyway, the ATR is well-organized, focused and on the fast track to getting exactly what they want via our Congress, it would seem. :(

[liam_laddie]

26. Norquist, ATR, other rethug think-tankers

Recommending a book about five of the operatives behind the
current absurdities. "Gang of Five" by Nina J. Easton, pub. 2000,
Simon & Schuster, ISBN 0-684-83899-0.

A look at the "life & times" of Grover Norquist, William Kristol,
Ralph Reed, David McIntosh, and Clint Bolick. Shows how
Norquist came to promote "starve the beast" policies. Been
going on since the Goldwater-Reagan era. Well-researched, including content from her direct interviews with the subjects. These wingnuts are very influential and VERY scary.

Norquist's Wednesday lunches at the Americans For
Tax Reform offices are a major source for the talking points spewed by the "Ridiculous Right" media. Attended by pundits, administration officials, other enemies of we the people.

[smb]

23. He's Right

Before that generation, whenever you put a draft in, there were draft riots. After that generation, there were draft riots. This generation? No problem. Why not? Of course the government moves people around like pawns on a chessboard.

That does pretty well sum it up -- the generation that let the government become big enough to become a monster in the hands of people like Chimpus Khan....