DU Anti-Fascist Brigades

[bobthedrummer]

There were those that fought against fascism before WWII.
They formed Brigades made up of all volunteers.
Who here at DU is cut from the same cloth?
Who is anti-fascist here?

[Bouncy Ball]

1. I'm anti-fascist. Completely.

[bobthedrummer]

2. It's good to come out and say it every once in a while.

:thumbsup:

[thebigidea]

3. will they be just as ineffective?

and how can you NOT be anti-fascist? Even the fascists say they're anti-fascist.

The idea of an anti-fascist brigade reminds me of that droll Peter Cook line about starting a new satirical nightclub modeled after the ones in 30s Germany "that did so much to stop Hitler."

or somesuch.

[bobthedrummer]

4. I would argue that DU is part of infowar, and is already effective.

Nowhere to go but up against the fascists of BFEE.

[Just Me]

21. Agree! We are part of an anti-fascist infowar!!!

We make a difference!!!

:yourock:

[bobthedrummer]

25. I attended a 2 day presentation by former CIA analyst Ray McGovern

last fall at my alma mater. He indicated that DU and other political websites are part of that. He also stated (last October) that we "are just babysteps from fascism".

[Octafish]

54. What else did McGovern say?

Anything we can do to oust these gangsters, peacefully?

[bobthedrummer]

58. He said there's a draft coming regardless of who won 2004, he said

that the major problem is the lack of accountability and integrity among "the crazies" and he acknowledged that the threat of missing suitcase nukes is real.

[Octafish]

60. What's worse than a Fascist?

A fascist with a nuclear bomb.

They don't know the meaning of the word "Integrity." Too bad for us.

Leading up to the present day, from when E = mc-squared was a glint in the patent clerk's eye:

1904

German Alfred Ploetz founds the Archive for Racial and Social Biology, which becomes the chief journal of the German eugenics or race hygiene movement. Ernst Haeckel popularized eugenics in Germany.

John D. Rockefeller issues "Occasional Letter No.1" detailing plans to mold the people, reduce national intelligence to the lowest common denominator, destroy parental influence, traditional and customs, and eliminate science and real learning, "in order to perfect human nature".

Eugenics laboratory established at Cold Springs Harbor on Long Island constructed by Charles B. Davenport. Cold Springs Harbor was also the location of the estates of both Dulles brothers. Cold Springs facility is funded in excess of $11 million by the Harrimans and the Rockefellers.

SOURCE:

http://www.country-liberal-party.com/pages/Bush-Nazi-links.htm#chapters

Gee. There wasn't even radio in 1904, let alone television.

[lonestarnot]

67. It's ugly and getting uglier in fact if Fugly! Hand raised also!

[frictionlessO]

42. Wow whatta way to piss all over a rallying cry.... yeeesh.

I mean, usually Im in agreement with you but what cat crapped in your mouth this morning?

sorry... still have respect but I had to comment.

[seemslikeadream]

57. How can you not be anti-fascist?

Ignorance

I have often thought that if a rational Fascist dictatorship were to exist, then it would choose the American system. Noam Chomsky

[Octafish]

5. I am an anti-fascist.

I hate fascism. Like you, I fight them now.



Yours is an excellent idea, Bob.

The fight'd be easier if we were organized a bit more.

As Aesop said: "Unity is strength."

[bobthedrummer]

6. I've been fighting US fascism for 40 years now, since I was 15.

I know you've done the same, Octafish. These RW fuckers are basically cowards here in our nation. They try to intimidate through fear and thrive on the negative energy of hate. They are capable of anything and can never be trusted.

The one thing they fear is the truth about them, their agenda and, most of all, their names getting published.

That's why they are basically cowards, these criminal American fascists in BFEE and the shadow government.

We are brothers against these RW traitors.

[loudsue]

45. "We are brothers against these RW traitors."

:hi: And SISTERS!!! :hi:

:loveya: I love your posts, BTD! :loveya:

:kick:

[seemslikeadream]

28. massive dragnet, US Marshals arresting over 10,000 people

Code-named Operation Falcon - staged for maximum political and media impact.

Attorney General Gonzales first news conference

Justice Department supplied the television networks government-shot action videotape of Marshals and local cops raiding homes and breaking down doors.

The piling up of massive arrest - $900,000 from the US Marshals Service budget

While US authorities highlighted the apprehension of 160 murder suspects and 550 sexual assault suspects, it appeared that by far the largest share of those arrested were minor drug offenders. Narcotics violations accounted for fully 4,300 out of the 10,340 arrests.


:shrug:

[thecai]

51. Over 10,000 Arrested

I've been wondering, with every prison and jail in America already filled beyond capacity, where will they house these inmates? Will they start filling the camps now?
Do a search on concentration camps in the U.S.. Many you can view on Globe Explorer. Mapquest used to offer aerial views but have discontinued that option (at least on MY computer).

BEWARE

[Octafish]

55. REX-05?

A fine mind named Patrick Henry (The Much Younger) found this, rescued from a GOOGLE cache:

PatrickHenry
08-28-2004, 02:47 AM

Yeah, good old Ollie. Honorable Republican Senatorial candidate. Traitor to his nation while in uniform and lucky not to face a firing squad for his treason. Sold rockets to our enemies. Later convicted of minor crimes, given a light sentence, the verdict vacated then dismissed by his friends in the Judicial Branch.



http://www.the-shadow-government.com/Rex84.htm

During the 1987 Iran-Contra hearings, the following exchange took place between Representative Jack Brooks of Texas, Senator Daniel Inouye of Hawaii, and Brendan Sullivan, attorney for Colonel Oliver North, during North's testimony before Congress:

REPRESENTATIVE BROOKS: Colonel North, in your work at the NSC, were you not assigned, at one time, to work on plans for continuity of government in the event of a major disaster?

BRENDAN SULLIVAN: Mister Chairman?

SENATOR INOUYE: I believe that question touches upon a highly sensitive and classified area so I request that you not touch on that.

REPRESENTATIVE BROOKS: I was particularly concerned, Mister Chairman, because I read in Miami papers, and several others, that there had been a plan developed by that same agency, a contingency plan in the event of emergency, that would suspend the American constitution. And I was deeply concerned about it and wondered if that was the area in which he had worked. I believe that it was and I wanted to get his confirmation.

SENATOR INOUYE: May I most respectfully request that this matter not be touched upon at this stage. If we wish to get into this, I'm certain arrangements can be made for an executive session.

Brooks, a crusty, no-nonsense Democrat from Texas, had touched upon what may have been the most incredible, but least discussed, revelation of the entire Iran-Contra investigation: a planning exercise for the detention of large numbers of American citizens, similar to the internment of Japanese-American citizens in World War II. This was Readiness Exercise 1984, or "Rex84."

My Senator from my state, Hawaii, in on the Iran-contra coverup. Didn't want to be on public record with the FEMA plan: see above quote, "executive session" ie., closed doors.

SOURCE:

http://66.102.7.104/search?q=cache:pbtoIetosgYJ:www.volconvo.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-2566.html+rex-84+sullivan&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

[orpupilofnature57]

7. Other wise known as the "Good Ole Boy Club" which casuastries...

Does kkkarl have to use,get halliburton the contract, in Gods name?

[bobthedrummer]

8. "casuastries"?

:wtf: are those, "casuastries"???

Your post wasn't very clear to me.

I'm an anti-fascist, not a "Good Ole Boy", btw, there are many anti-fascist females.

But I need to know what a "casuastrie" is, is that like a Danish pastry?

[seemslikeadream]

9. Hey I'm one of those

anti-fascist females.

[bobthedrummer]

11. I'm glad you're with US. They hate you, the freepers hate you and the

swastika admiring racists too. That's when ya know you're doing it right, when the right voices it hatred of you and your username googles to a Bush/Nazi thread here at DU.
:loveya:

[frictionlessO]

43. Hooo Boy (Girl!) ya got that right! Amen and pass the love!!

Bob you done ril gud with this un! Gitter dun!

[bobthedrummer]

48. Group hug time for all of Us then.

:grouphug::grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :grouphug: :loveya: :grouphug::loveya:

[Just Me]

31. Me, too, SLAD!!!

Me, too!! :hi:

[seemslikeadream]

35. Remember the Palmer Raids?

Union Hall wrecked during the Palmer Raids



IWW: an injury to one is an injury to all.

[me b zola]

36. Female, antifascist, reporting for duty!

[seemslikeadream]

40. Hi me b zola

Good to see you here



:hi:

[orpupilofnature57]

10. Casual reasoning for atrocities against mankind, misanthrope

KKKarl rover didn't invent them though he's an expert.And i meant a mentality not a gender.

[bobthedrummer]

12. "misanthrope" is directed towards me or other anti-fascists?

:+
on edit: how can an anti-fascist be "a hater of mankind"?

[orpupilofnature57]

15. No to fascism, where did i go wrong in my answer, ?

[bobthedrummer]

16. You just cleared it up, it's ok and I apologize for being reactionary.

:pals:

[orpupilofnature57]

18. Cool, i love drummers ,I hate Shrub!! **

[More Than A Feeling]

13. I'm anti-fascist

and Bush and his cohorts are definitely a breed of (Italian-style) fascist in my book.

[solinvictus]

14. I'm against Bush..

and theocracy and oligarchy, so I suppose I count.

[bobthedrummer]

17. Yes, I'm against the American Taliban and the RW fundies as well

[Goathead]

19. I've been thinking this for a while.

Often times I've come here to find info on protests and social activism only to find nothing. We should use this board as a method to network people for change in our lifetime. With all the intelligent people on this board, hell we've got our own think tank. We just need to consolidate.

[Cleita]

22. I used to be like that when DU was young, but now

posts disappear so fast because of the volume. Often you don't see them even when posted.

[bobthedrummer]

23. The archives here are priceless. We really are part of information

warfare. We've got a lot of truth to counter the lies of this administration here.

[Cleita]

20. I am. I 'm thinking all Americans who work for a living

need to band together and form the biggest labor movement yet seen in the world. As long as the fascists keep us divided by using wedge issues like race to keep us apart we won't be a force to be reckoned with. But if all workers, documented and undocumented, employed and unemployed, join together, those plutocrats will be history in a very short period of time.

[solinvictus]

26. But Democrats won't represent labor..

They refuse to address wage disparity, outsourcing, labor laws, overtime law, etc. They have sold us out as well. (Yes, I know there are a few exceptions, but I speak in general.)

[Cleita]

33. I know. Our leadership isn't in touch with us for the most part

with a few exceptions. We will have to do this ourselves at a grass roots level.

[Zorra]

24. I utterly despise fascism. A must read great speech by FDR, 1936:

President Roosevelt
1936 State of the Union Address
snip---
I realize that I have emphasized to you the gravity of the situation which confronts the people of the world. This emphasis is justified because of its importance to civilization and therefore to the United States. Peace is jeopardized by the few and not by the many. Peace is threatened by those who seek selfish power. The world has witnessed similar eras-- as in the days when petty kings and feudal barons were changing the map of Europe every fortnight, or when great emperors and great kings were engaged in a mad scramble for colonial empire. We hope that we are not again at the threshold of such an era. But if face it we must, then the United States and the rest of the Americas can play but one role: through a well-ordered neutrality to do naught to encourage the contest, through adequate defense to save ourselves from embroilment and attack, and through example and all legitimate encouragement and assistance to persuade other Nations to return to the ways of peace and good-will.
snip---
In these latter years we have witnessed the domination of government by financial and industrial groups, numerically small but politically dominant in the twelve years that succeeded the World War. The present group of which I speak is indeed numerically small and, while it exercises a large influence and has much to say in the world of business, it does not, I am confident, speak the true sentiments of the less articulate but more important elements that constitute real American business.
snip----
Yes, there are still determined groups that are intent upon that very thing. Rigorously held up to popular examination, their true character presents itself. They steal the livery of great national constitutional ideals to serve discredited special interests. As guardians and trustees for great groups of individual stockholders they wrongfully seek to carry the property and the interests entrusted to them into the arena of partisan politics. They seek-this minority in business and industry--to control and often do control and use for their own purposes legitimate and highly honored business associations; they engage in vast propaganda to spread fear and discord among the people--they would "gang up" against the people's liberties.

http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/53/all-both.html


FDR, to me, is a Democrat! A real Democrat, a fighter of fascism, not like these cheeseball DLC republicans who call themselves Democrats but apparently don't even know what a Democrat is.

This speech could be used by a Democrat today. The corporations and the economically elite have taken over our government and shattered our democracy, and very few Dems even say a word about it. It is too bad that we have so few Democratic statesmen as eloquent and intelligent as FDR.

George Lakoff:

"Democrats moving to the middle is a double disaster that alienates the party's progressive base while simultaneously sending a message to swing voters that the other side is where the good ideas are. It unconsciously locks in the notion that the other side's positions are worth moving toward, while your side's positions are the ones to move away from. Plus every time you move to the center, the right just moves further to the right."

[orpupilofnature57]

27. Write on!! This is my problem with this new "progressive" agenda

It's a code word for, embarrassed to be a liberal,God bless the memory of F.D.R.

[Zorra]

32. The DLC are not "progressives". They are supporters of increased

corporate influence and control of government.

IMO, the progressive agenda is a good agenda, a liberal agenda, and has nothing whatsoever to do with the DLC.

The progressive, or liberal, movement, is comprised of the finest political minds in the US today.

http://www.pdamerica.org/

[loudsue]

50. What a great George Lakoff quote!

I just tried to fit it in my signature: let's see if it works!

:kick:

on edit: Yep...it worked! Thanks! Now I need to go back and give Mr. Lakoff credit!

[RAF]

29. I think my screen name says it all.

although I use the abbreviations here at DU. I get the message out everyday to those who are unaware and uniformed about what this administration is all about.

The modern day republican party are by true definition of the word FASCIST!

[thecai]

52. RAF

Welcome to DU!
You're correct.

[RAF]

53. TY

:toast:

[Eloriel]

70. Royal Air Force?

Maybe I'm just brain dead today... I don't get the meaning of RAF.

But welcome to DU anyway. :D

[SouthernDem2004]

30. I am anti-facist, socialist and communist :p

[goodboy]

34. Hey bob! Did you happen to see this?

check this out, and see if I would fit into your wonderful organization:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3482768

[bobthedrummer]

37. I don't have an organization, but look at all these great anti-fascists

here at DU. It's nice to get together once in a while! I read your thread.
:hi:

[WillyT]

38. Definitely Anti-Fascist Here !!!

My old man fought in the South Pacific in WWII. He was also a journalist, and a staunch Democrat. He'd be spittin nails if he saw the crap that passes for America these days!

Maybe that's it...

Maybe the generation that saved us all from a fascist planet, had to die off before the slimeballs tried fascism again. What are they dying at... about three to four thousand a year now???

Either way... I'm ready to do my part this time around!!!

Let's kick some fascii butts!!!

[bobthedrummer]

41. Yep, my dad fought against what we've become!

And some traitors "recruited" real Nazis and gave them jobs and identities as Americans working in national security! There were Nazis in my country before I was born!

All our WWII veterans were doubly betrayed by this. And these real Nazis found a political home in the RW of the Republican Party.

Old Nazi Networks in US (Russ Bellant's work)
http://www.ibiblio.org/pub/academic/political-science/fascism/bellant/bellant.pt1

[Charon]

65. Traitor

Think that would be President Harry S. Truman.

[seemslikeadream]

66. This would be President Harry S. Truman

In 1939, Farish's daughter Martha married Averell Harriman's nephew,
Edward Harriman Gerry, and Farish in-laws became Prescott Bush's
partners at 59 Broadway. Note #1 Note #5

Both Emil Helfferich and Karl Lindemann were authorized to write
checks to Heinrich Himmler, chief of the Nazi SS, on a special
Standard Oil account. This account was managed by the German-
British-American banker, Kurt von Schroeder. According to U.S.
intelligence documents reviewed by author Anthony Sutton, Helfferich
continued his payments to the SS into 1944, when the SS was super-
vising the mass murder at the Standard-I.G. Farben Auschwitz and
other death camps. Helfferich told Allied interrogators after the war
that these were not his personal contributions -- they were corporate
Standard Oil funds. Note #1 Note #6

After pleading "no contest" to charges of criminal conspiracy with the
Nazis, William Stamps Farish was fined $5,000. (Similar fines were
levied against Standard Oil -- $5,000 each for the parent company
and for several subsidiaries.) This of course did not interfere with the
millions of dollars that Farish had acquired in conjunction with Hitler's
New Order, as a large stockholder, chairman, and president of
Standard Oil. All the government sought was the use of patents which
his company had given to the Nazis -- the Auschwitz patents -- but
had withheld from the U.S. military and industry.

But a war was on, and if young men were to be asked to die fighting
Hitler .. something more was needed. Farish was hauled before the
Senate committee investigating the national defense program. The
committee chairman, Senator Harry Truman, told newsmen before
Farish testified: "I think this approaches treason." Note #1 Note #7

http://www.tarpley.net/bush3.htm

[WindRavenX]

39. I kick all the fascists' asses

It's my goal in life.

[TahitiNut]

44. Isn't it funny you need to ask?

:eyes:

[Just Me]

61. Naw. It's focus. We must anchor in this period of turmoil.

We're human beings who can and will be distracted.

Hence,...a center, that anchor, a shared focus,...keeps us aligned.

We should prolly do this more often, to tell ya' the truth.

[frictionlessO]

46. I worship at the altar of Anti-Fascism.

I will fight these death loving dominionistic fuckheads till Im dead or free of their life sucking grip.

Any true patriot would.

:patriot:

[thecai]

47. The CAI

The Coalition Against Injustice
Comprised of NUMEROUS Individuals, Human Rights Groups and Organizations (too many to list)
edit: END FASCISM IN AMERICA!

[nonconformist]

49. I am 100% anti-fascist. nt

[kineneb]

56. count me in as anti-fascist

In memory of my late "uncle" who was a Pearl Harbor survivor, and despised everything BushCo et al stand for. He said that they were destroying everything he fought for in WWII: freedom, the Consititution, etc. and was totally disgusted. And also in memory of my grandfather who fought for labor rights and help in union organizing.

Power to the PEOPLE, not the corps.

[in_cog_ni_to]

59. "Just say NO to Fascism"

That's on my car.

I'm Anti-Fascist. :hi:

[proud patriot]

62. Hand raised

:headbang:

[thecai]

63. Wish I'd Seen This

Before it was too late to nominate.

Keep up the good work raising awareness, Troops!

End fascism NOW!

:kick: ass

:yourock: DU!

[radio4progressives]

64. i am a self identified anti-fascists looking for a brigade....

in northern california.... anyone with any leads?

thinking about forming a "brigade" right here where i live.

other related topic:

today i was listening to the premiere broadcast of Raw Radio on line of course,(brad of bradblog linked to Raw News) and he mentioned the velvet revolution in the USA. I called in asking him to expound a bit, (I'm the one who mistakenly thought he said "velvet underground" movement) anyway i did a google search for velvetrevolution.usa.com and didn't find anything, except for links to the original Velvet Revolution Eastern Europe... I'm interested in the VR of USA. anyone with any links please email me off list.

thanks in advance...

[anarchy1999]

68. Okay B the D, your post has lasted. Sign us up.

n/t

Anyone who is blind to what is happening in this country right now is just damned ignorant. And yes, there are many ignorant people in this country right now.

[voltairine]

69. A right-wing fascist ...

wants the state to take marching orders from business.

A left-wing fascist wants business to take marching orders from the state.

It's still all fascism, the rest is just details.

And, yes, I'm anti-fascist. And a small business owner.

[Kellanved]

71. hi

Antifa Berlin North-East here.
:hi:

[deutsey]

72. I'm anti-fascist

In all seriousness, we have to come together and fight the current fascist threat or else live as slaves in a neo-feudal system these corporatist assclowns want us to bow to.

[Goldmund]

73. Hm...

You mean like the Minutemen, but against fascism instead of illegal immigration?

[thecai]

74. Kick

:kick: fascismass
End Fascism in America NOW!

[Megami Kitsune]

75. Shouldn't that be anti-Totalitarian?

Yes, "anti-fascist" has a nice ring to it, but
aren't most people here (I hope) against totalitariansim,
whether of the right or left.  The original anti-fascists now
look rather  hypocritical, even callous for having turned a
blind eye to Stalin's crimes, all in order to oppose fascist
Germany, Spain, Italy, etc.

Also shouldn't ant-fascism in the current global environment
focus largely on politically minded religions?  I mean
evangelical Christians, Hindutva, and Islamism...especially
Christian, Muslim and to a lesser extent Jewish groups promote
a fascist ethos by stressing that their's is the one true god,
etc.