Compare Plame timeline with Guckert checkins/checkouts

[Sparkly]

http://www.dkosopedia.com/index.php/Plame_Leak_timeline
http://rawstory.com/exclusives/byrne/secret_service_gannon_424.htm

I mentioned on another thread that I found it interesting that Novak's leak was published 7/14, and Guckert had his first "no checkout" on 7/15. Not sure it means anything.

He also did his first FR post on 7/15. If the Kos link is correct, the times were when he was still supposedly at the White House, it seems...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?more=13252770;name=jeff%20gannon
Posts:
07/15/2003 1:03:28 PM PDT
07/15/2003 7:16:35 PM PDT
07/15/2003 7:18:26 PM PDT

White House SS records:
7/14 11:33 - 1:32 (Ari's goodbye party) (12:03-12:56)
7/15 12:15 (no exit) (12:38-1:23)
7/16 12:26 - 2:05 (12:50-1:20)

Docs:
http://rawstory.rawprint.com/0405/guckert_access_a9

ON EDIT: Note the FR posts are Pacific Daylight time; the WH would be Eastern... Still, he never checked out, so...?

[sabra]

1. So he was posting at FR from the WH?

<<SNIP>>
Critics: Daschle's Soft Image Masks Political Machine

Posted by Jeff Gannon
On News/Activism 07/15/2003 1:03:28 PM PDT · 24 replies · 114+ views

<</SNIP>>

Nice find...

[Sparkly]

2. That's what I'm wondering.

Seems really odd.

[FreedomAngel82]

7. Interesting

Maybe he keeps a laptop with him or something. I wonder how he could easily just slip through the checks though. On RawStory one repoter said it was unusual because of the security since 9/11 so he had special access. I wouldn't be surprised if someone paid him to leak out about Plame. I wonder what else he was doing there. According to the RawStory article he would stay well past the press conferences. There's a lot of mystery to this story but also a lot of question's. Also he lied about him giving the people the name "Jeff Gannon." He gave them his real name, so why would he lie about that? Simple. So people wouldn't want to look into it and see if they can find his records of things like this. Looks like it didn't work. I wonder what's going to happen next now that this is known.

[Sparkly]

10. Right -- looks like the posts were 'articles' about Daschle. n/t

[Virginian]

70. Is Gannon up to date on his Cipro

Is there any way to find out where he was when the Anthrax letters were mailed?
If he is attacking Daschle on Free Republic...

[jazzjunkysue]

22. It makes sense that he'd post from within the whitehouse. Think

about if it was you, using this cretin to leak your stories about Daschle or Plame. Knowing this idiot is a prostitute, with no credentials or training, would you give him a rough idea of what to write, and let him go at it in his apartment? No way. You'd sit him down and watch him write it word for word and tell him to hit post when he got it just right. You wouldn't trust him, and neither would the Rove people. Makes total sense that he'd write it from within the whitehouse walls, so noone doing the dictating would get caught. That's where the rats feel safest.

Gannongate. How much do I love this!:bounce:

[EFerrari]

59. If you look at Mr. Gannon's work closely, it's obvious that

they have been written by a minimum of three different people -- or two people and a writing team.

And it gets more convoluted than that.

There are two people who seem to write most of his stuff, mostly together, sometimes apart. Then, there's WH stuff that he just signs his name to -- and you can tell because it bears NO resemblance to the other stuff.

On edit: So, sure. It wouldn't surprise me at all if "he" posted to FR from the WH.

[AuntiBush]

60. And the best part is Chimpboy can't deny it!

That's the point here. Think about it.

1. SS rec'ds prove without a doubt "he was in WH - period!"
2. Jeff-Jerky logs in or not out is strange enough, yet his timing is impeccable w/regards to Plame & Dashle and who knows what else.
3. What's up w/WH & SS? Are they not capable of security? We know they are...

I'd not want to be Jerky boy at this time. Probably MIA and that reported post on his site awhile back was probably to throw all off.

This is big, if you ask me and my 1 tiny dollar says media will not go there. Are there any MSM w/spine, luv of country?

[deacon]

47. thats what it seems to be, interesting n/t

[NV Whino]

3. I think those timelines are going to be a goldmine.

Lots of interesting stuff bound to come out.

[madrchsod]

4. now that -IS- interesting

who`s computor?

[FreedomAngel82]

9. He could've had a laptop with him

Sometimes people carry them around with them, so that could've been it. :shrug: Is there any way to see about something like that? Maybe it can be checked if every time there were mystery's about his coming and going if he also posted on FR then and what he said. There could be lots of hidden clues there. :shrug:

[Stinky The Clown]

18. I sometimes have business in gov't bldgs in DC, and a laptop is NOT easy

to get in .... and even more difficult to get out. There is an ever changing set of hurdles one must clear in order to get a laptop in ...... and then when you want to leave, you have to go through a whole other set of hurdles. The hurdle du jour is ever changing. (a good system, actually ... no way to plan for what's going to happen on any given day.)

I long ago stopped taking mine with me.

Now, that may be totally beside the point in this case. Seems like ol' Jeffiepoo had his way cleared.

.... psssst ..... scottie ..... over here, bud ...... yeah .... they're on to ya, man .....

[Liberty Belle]

19. Are there videos of those press briefings? Did he have a laptop?

[paineinthearse]

25. A lapDANCE is more likely than a laptop

I've never seen photos of him in the briefing room with a laptop.

[MADem]

39. Scottie's...he's the press guy with the Texas connection

Still think this is why Ari left...it just stunk too much for even him. His Mom is a Democrat, he went to Middlebury, fachrissake! He got sucked in, but got sickened in the process.

[burn the bush]

46. I think his boy is Scottie. I'd rather it be Rove

but I was thinking, why did they make him a press guy? He wasn't one prior to that. So why didn't they just give him a job in the whitehouse? I'm thinking it all came together because the whitehouse had a need for friendly press at the time when Scottie had a friend that could use a nice excuse to come to the whitehouse.

I hope it's Rove though. I really hate Rove. I would much rather see Rove go down than Scottie. Would Scottie have been at all the press conferneces? Even the ones that Gannon missed?

[MADem]

55. Yep--If it had been Rove, they would have given him a job as a

...driver or a messenger, or maybe even a janitor!

When you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras! And remember when Ari left? It was quick, it was surgical, and he looked as though he COULD NOT GET OUT OF THERE FAST ENOUGH. He seemed RELIEVED on his last day, not overly sad at all, as though he were thinking "Phew, I made it OUT of here without anything bubbling up and biting me!"

I think there is a tendency to believe that the "front man" (Ari) was the one with the access to George. In actual fact, the pressroom confidante was Scottie, who had come with the furniture from TX, pretty face and all....

[kentuck]

5. Interesting connection.....

Hmmm-mm-mm

[madrchsod]

6. put this baby on the front page so

the lurkers can pick this up.

[Sparkly]

8. Anybody know ...

how to do a full search for all of Gannon's posts on FR?

[sabra]

14. Here:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?id=113711

[ebayfool]

45. He posted under more than 1 freeper name, the link you have &

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?id=118086
registered since Aug 22, 2003
This one is his alternate freeper id - ConservativeMajority

He used this one to pimp his Talon stories.

on edit:
here's ANOTHER jimmy/jeff freeper user id - TheConservativeGuy

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?name=TheConservativeGuy
registered since Jan 19, 2003

Jeff Gannon id, again -
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?name=Jeff+Gannon
registered since Jun 23, 2003

Why the hell did this guy register so many ids at freeperland, so close together? I'm not even sure that this is all of them. I get an extra to pimp his stories, but why more than 2?

[MADem]

56. I think they do this a lot

Haven't you ever seen when the trolls come out, that often many of them will speak with the same voice? I'm no forensic expert, but you can sometimes tell when someone has written something simply by the "voice" of the document. Turns of phrase, cadence, words used, even spelling...that kind of thing.

I used to write Congressional testimony and other public documents years ago, and my superiors could always clearly identify which parts were mine--they'd do it rather gleefully, too (those were the days when we had time to sit around on our asses watching CSPAN when the budget was in full crunch).

[AuntiBush]

61. You know... you're right!

Professors know my writing, without my sig. Certain habitual word usages; the tone, you're vocal's heard within the sentences; formatting of words; even grammar skills.

Interesting. This is heavy. Someone out here WILL figure this out.

:popcorn: and :beer: ready!

[MADem]

66. I had a (bad, admittedly) habit of using favorite words

...for both prepared testimony as well as formal letters. If it was "egregious," it was more often than not mine. I had a number of other favorites; some wags proposed a drinking game during testimony for some of my almost-trademarked phrases (not too swift an idea, and we never did it, seeing as the guy on the hotseat would be back to bitch us all out after the day was done). As my "fame" grew (ha!) and my work got good results, a bunch of copy cats from other agencies swiped elements of my style. But they never quite got it right. Anyone who knew, knew the difference!

[Carni]

65. BTW there was also a person with the handle "bulldog" at Free republic

I have no idea if this was also him but I found this earlier

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:BJqPc6v_K1IJ:www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/844205/posts+angelwood+bulldog&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

To: 1rudeboy; A.J.Armitage; aruanan; Barnacle; BillyBoy; Bulldog; celeste_aida; cfrels; chicagolady; ...
Chicagoland bump!

2 posted on 02/15/2003 1:35:40 PM PST by RedWing9 (We will vie for Lord Stanley... again!)
< Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies >

[Wizard777]

11. I thought it was Ari and that's why he left.

But if it was Guckert. That basically makes him the inside Novak. There is still the question of who told Guckert? Even if they establish that Guckert is the other end of the er um Hose so to speak. They still have to find the water source. Oh that could get ugly when Bush finds out Novak was at the other end of Guckerts leaky hose.

[MADem]

40. As I just noted upthread, I think Ari left because he was appalled

He left in a hurry, with no notice. He probably believed that honor and integrity in the White House bullshit. Either Scottie was getting nasty with JimmyJeff, or Scottie was helping JimmyJeff plant stories, or BOTH.

Ari was raised by a Dem mom, and went to a People's Republic of Vermont school...he's an opportunist, not hard core.

[sundancekid]

12. so now, after we adjust the posting times to EST, all we gotta get

would be the IP addresses of the computer(s) being used to post at freeperville ... oh, Sparkly, look at what you've started!!!


:yourock:

Could be a "plumber's third-rate burglary" of its own ... please pass on to Conyers and Slaughter the dots you have connected so that they can get busy with IDing the computer and computer location of GoockDog's posts.

:thumbsup: :hi: :kick: :woohoo: :applause:

[deminks]

17. Those pesky time zones!

If the FR posts were made from the WH, that would place him there late, like 10:18 pm EDT. If they were made from somewhere else, why is there no record of him leaving? Very interesting indeed. :bounce:

[Blue_Roses]

13. what is the second set of numbers?

7/15 12:15 (no exit) (12:38-1:23)

I see where there was no exit, but what are these times?:shrug:

[Sparkly]

15. The times you have in bold are the actual briefing times. nt

[Clark2008]

16. Those are times the press conferences took place. n/t

[hootinholler]

20. Good thing to check....Also

The disclosure is incomplete:

Look at the transmittal letter Page 2, The SS states these records do not reflect the type of badge he was issued, because the access control system does not capture that info.

Aren't they obligated to look it up manually then? Or at least provide a cross reference to the badge ID to type of badge. The provided response is incomplete with regards to the request.

I also want to know if these passes allowed 'unescorted' access to the white house. Most gov't space requires an escort for temporary passes if there is anything even remotely sensitive in the building.

I would also like to know if he actually attended the briefings he was present for. Perhaps cspan recordings would be helpful in that regard.

And another thought I had is what sort of entry/exit point do they have? Is it a badge operated turnstile? If so then the records have been altered to show no exit time.

-Hoot

[janx]

28. Someone on the RawStory blog pointed out that the badge

numbers often indicate which office they came from.

[MADem]

41. All badges are NUMBERED

They can discover badge TYPE by tracking back the numbers. They will have to do a Freedom of Information Act request to get that information. Also, if badges are permanently assigned to offices (this is common throughout the federal government, used so big wigs can be met at the door and not have to wait) someone will have had to permanently sign them out, so they can be tracked. Everytime they do an inventory, they have to sight the badges and reissue them. If those are 'floaters' they have been assigned to an individual. If the same badge number pops up repeatedly, you can find out what office owned it.

[Sparkly]

21. Check out October 6, 2003!!

Gannon was at the WH a very long time -- 10/6 12:58 - 6:10 (unusually long) (1:15-1:54)

Now look on the dkosopedia page:
October 6, 2003 - Gannon (Talon News) writes an article about Wilson. <11>

It was after his article appeared that columnist Robert Novak revealed his wife's name, calling her a "CIA operative." Novak discussed the possibility that Wilson was selected for the assignment in Africa because of the position and influence of his wife at the CIA.

It is still unknown as to the reason Wilson was sent on the February 2002 mission to Niger, but allowed that it could have been at his wife's suggestion. Some have suggested that his clear partisanship cast doubt on the findings in his report.

Gannon makes clear that he doesn't know anything other than what is in official reports as of Oct. 6th... yet 22 days later his interview with Wilson is published where he states definitively the existence of the CIA memo and the reason Wilson was sent to Niger. But he is in the loop enough to know he needs to push the partisan politics aspect in his article.

On edit: Anybody got an archive of that article, with the time, etc.? (It was pulled from GOPUSA, of course.)

[GreenPoet64]

24. It might still be on googles cache . . .do you have the title? n/t

[Sparkly]

30. No, I don't...

But I think they pulled all of that down a long time ago. Somebody might have saved it, though.

[hootinholler]

32. GOPUSA is on the wayback machine...

The Oct 6th article you reference is here.

The Oct 28th article is here, but, part 2 did not seem to get archived.

-Hoot

[dweller]

23. are ya saving the FR posts

before they are 'disappeared' ?

just checking.
dp

[Sparkly]

26. Another oddity

Again, not sure if it means anything. 1/30/04, SS log:
1/30 12:30 - 1:23 (12:37-1:09)

FR post:
To: TXLady
I work with Ann Compton at the White House and today she asked "if the credibility of the Bush administration is at risk because they were wrong about WMDs and wrong about the cost of the prescription drug plan."

24 posted on 01/30/2004 8:30:03 PM PST by Jeff Gannon (Listen to my radio show "Jeff Gannon's Washington" on www.RIGHTALK.com)

Wouldn't that be 11:30 EST? One hour before he checked in... So where did Ann Compton ask this, and to whom?

[autorank]

27. Folks, the operative implication here is STAYED OVERNIGHT!

It's about why the Hell would this guy stay overnight at the White House? :freak: Get it. Plame requires speculation. Gannon there overnight does not. WOW.

From RawStory:

"SECRET SERVICE RECORDS RAISE QUESTIONS ABOUT GANNON'S WHITE HOUSE ACCESS; FAILED TO CHECK OUT" (Stayed over night, pour quoi?)

[Sparkly]

29. I expect they'll come up with some lame "explanation" for that.

All of a sudden we'll hear again how relaxed WH security is, how sloppy, how this happens all the time...

I'd like to hear another reporter explain just how somebody gets day passes when there IS no briefing. How much access does the day pass allow?

[autorank]

33. Yes, but if people go, 'Hmmm...overnight huh, right!" One ? for you

I know we're in GD and all but how's Husg2Sparkly doing with his language exercise? Did you tell him I'd pay him a dime for every use of the word? :hi:

[Sparkly]

34. That's the "if."

Husb is having a fine time (not even making an effort to curb the language) but I've gotten so used to hearing it I forget to keep track. He's probably averaging about 20 or so "fucks" a day. :)

[Stinky The Clown]

35. Geeeez .... under rate me, why dontcha ........

20 a day? Hey, I gotta rep ta live up to, yanno? C'mon! Gotta be fifty ....... at least. Hell, I gave ya that gratuitous 20 "fuck" riff this afternoon, just for the fuck of it.

on edit ... Hey Autorank ...... this is the best money you're ever gunna spend! Just send it to whoever Sparkly thinks deserves it most. I'm hopin' she picks this soup kitchen I bin supportin' fer the last 10 years or so ........ Have fun and give to some worthy cause.

[merbex]

52. When you put it like that " Explain how you get a day pass to the White

House when there is no briefing being held that day."

Sums up this mystery and frames it perfectly so as to not let the story die

[globalvillage]

69. If it's lax security

there should be other reporters with similar check-in/no check-out. Has anyone compared Gannon's records with others?

[MADem]

42. I think he went out the employee door with Scottie

...and the badge went back in Scottie's safe.

[Sparkly]

31. Anybody know the dates when Chimpy showed up with the face-rug burns??

Husb suggests it'd be too funny if the mysterious "face injuries" coincided with Guckert's overnighters. (Husb: "I mean, facial rugburns don't just happen, I'm just sayin'.")

[TacticalPeek]

36. Heh.

"Dammit, he promised to leave impressions, not skid marks."

[Stinky The Clown]

38. Gawd .... that is one sorry assed motherfucker .........

[seemslikeadream]

37. Steve_DeShazer says

Steve_DeShazer (1000+ posts) Sun Apr-24-05 11:18 PM
Response to Original message

18. Monday, January 14, 2002

US President George W Bush said he felt "great" on Monday, despite having fainted and fallen from a couch after choking on a pretzel over the weekend.

Sporting an angry red bruise on his cheek, the president joked with reporters about the incident as he left the White House on a two-day tour of the Mid-West.

"My mother always said when you're eating pretzels, chew before you swallow," he said before boarding a helicopter to Illinois.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1758848.stm

========================================================================

I'm just sayin'....


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3538347

I don't know about the dates. :shrug:

[MADem]

43. ...when you're eating pretzels, chew before you swallow????

JimmyJeff would be disappointed at that characterization!

Seriously, though, my money is on Scottie...but I wouldn't be ticked if I were wrong!

[anarchy1999]

44. And it all just gets uglier and uglier. "I did not have ....."

Is it possible? Can it be true. Too much to hope for, I fear. We shall see.

[dxstone]

48. Who knew that the Whore of Babylon would be a dude?

Or that the Anti-Christ would be a retard?

And that the two would be lovers?

This reminds me--has anyone out there seen the VERY dark and disturbing, utterly bizarre and apocalyptic Japanese horror flick "Tetsuo (The Iron Man)"?
(SPOILER ALERT!)
Great last lines:

Bush: "Ahh... I feel great!"
Gannon: "How about turning the whole world into metal? You and me?"
Bush: "Sure..."
Gannon: "And we can rust the whole world, and scatter it into the dust of the universe."
Bush: "Sounds like fun..."
Gannon: "Our love can put an end to this fucking world!"
Bush: (groans)
Gannon: "Let's GO GET 'EM!"

Life is getting SO surreal lately...

DXS
"I LOVE horror movies, man... I just don't want to LIVE in one."
http://presidentevilonline.com

[vanboggie]

49. LOL!

Cleaning the coffee off my keyboard. Whore of Babylon dude and retard Anti Christ.

[Tesla]

50. I saved mine!!!

That cracks me up!! Thanks for the giggle!!

[H2O Man]

51. One thing life

has taught me: there is no such thing as coincidence.

[sabra]

53. kick!

[hector459]

54. So while the country was seeing red and orange alerts the WH wasn't even

paying attention to people signing in or out of the WH? Isn't that special. More proof that the neocons and the Bush administration are part of a LIHOP agenda!

[fooj]

57. Bingo!

Peace.

[Digit]

68. Very good point! n/t

[JohnOneillsMemory]

58. Kick. This story's the big one for tearing the fabric of spun realities.

It just won't go away. It's here to stay.

[trekbiker]

62. I wonder how that little worm McClellan is going to...

spin his way out of this.

excerpt from Conyers/Slaughter letter to the POS...

1. The Department of Homeland Security's records indicate that Mr. "Gannon" entered the White House Complex 196 times in the past two years. He attended 155 of the 196 press conferences held at the White House in the two year period. This is disconcerting considering that your office and "Mr. Gannon" have maintained that his access was sporadic. At what point is a "hard pass" required?

2. The records show that Mr. "Gannon" was allowed access to the White House 38 times when no public press events occurred. He also spent hours in the White House both before and after press events took place. With whom did he meet on those occasions and what was the subject matter of those meetings?

3. On 13 occasions there is a record where he checked in with security, but is never registered as leaving the White House complex. How do you explain this?

4. Your Media Assistant, Lois Cassano, requested a total of 48 day passes for Mr. "Gannon" which helped facilitate his access for nearly 200 times over the last two years. It is nearly impossible that she would have made Gannon such a priority without direction from a supervisor. Would you like to revise your claim that, "I don't involve myself in that process, it's handled at a staff level."<1>

[Carni]

63. Can anyone check the IP address on Gannon's posts?

I am probably wording that wrong and I am a moron when it comes to computers...but is there a way to see what the computer address (or whatever) that he posted from on those freak republic posts?

Anyone know?

[trekbiker]

64. aaahahahhaaa!!!!

Mr. McClellan, we have yet to receive any direct communication from your office in response to our repeated requests for information. The American people deserve to know what is happening in the White House Briefing room. It is unacceptable that you continue to deny them this information.

[leftchick]

67. I emailed this to Keith Olberman

along with a few other links. I hope it gets his attention.