Sex trafficking of children growing in S.E.Asia. In America too. Real nice

[NNN0LHI]

http://www.swissinfo.org/sen/swissinfo.html?siteSect=143&sid=5722826&cKey=1114521622000

Sex trafficking growing in S.E.Asia

SINGAPORE (Reuters) - Human rights activists called on Southeast Asian governments on Tuesday to crack down on sex tourism and child trafficking, saying the problem was becoming more rampant.

Experts and rights workers said more women and children in Southeast Asia were being trafficked to feed the appetite of sex tourists. snip

Girls from the villages of Myanmar, Cambodia, Indonesia and the Philippines are lured into cities or neighbouring countries with promises of lucrative jobs as waitresses and domestic helpers, only to end up in massage parlours and karaoke bars.

Others are flown as far as Australia, Japan, South Africa and the United States to be kept as slaves in brothels -- beaten, drugged, starved or raped in the first days of their reclusion to intimidate and prepare them for clients, the experts say.


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OK. We can get back to talking about them uncivilized Muslims now.

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

1. Behold the fruits of sexual repression. (nt)

[mopinko]

2. people who think "hot asian teens" is not kiddie porn

need to wake the fuck up. we have had that arguement here before, and everyone wants to pretend that they "just look young. they're all over 18. there is no real kiddie porn right out in the open on the internet."
guess again people.

[zalinda]

4. I get emails for kiddie porn all the time

I have no idea how I got on their mailing list, but I am. It doesn't make any sense, since I don't visit porn sites, and I'm female.

I always report them.

zalinda

[mongo]

12. Just because the title is "hot asian teens"

does not make it child porn. The ovelwhelming majority of porn on the internet is legal. And MOST of the child porn is traded via PTP in underground networks.

If it is a US registered site - it's most likely NOT child porn.

[mopinko]

15. see, there's one now

wake up

[mongo]

16. You don't even know WTF you're talking about

Do you know what USC 2257 says? Do you look for the required postings? Do you follow all the cases on free speech and porn?

Just because you get an email that says "hot asain teens" does not make the link a child porn site.

Every once in a while, when I get a freak porn box (midgets, old people, fat people, etc - mostly bought by guys to laugh at during bachelor parties or as a joke gift), there is inevitably a video that alludes to bestiality. Usually a pic of a girl petting a horse or dog on the box, with a title like "barnyard confessions". But there ain't no beastiality in the movie - no one produces that legally for sale on DVD in this country. Sometimes people put there home made movies on the internet, where they then get busted for it.

I think it is you that need to wake up and realize that these assertions you make have less to do with the truth than your own personal views of the subject matter and a desire for censorship.

[mopinko]

20. i'm not talking about e-mails

i'm talking about pictures of asian girls on sites like asians4u that are clearly GIRLS.
look, i am not in favor of censorship, and not opposed to pornography. as long as everyone involved is a consenting adult, have a good time.
but the very premise of "asian" as a selling point is to say, poor and desperate, and not really able to say no. which is the appeal to a lot of people, whether said "girls" are teens or not. even women who say yes, when there is no other options to stay alive, aren't really giving consent that i would find acceptable.
here is my definition of obscene-
when i look at a woman, and can see the desperation in her eyes, and it is clear she is not enjoying herself, that is obscene. if you can look at that, and get your rocks off, there is something wrong with you.

[mongo]

23. I can't get that site to come up

www.asians4u.com won't come up on my computer - it is registered to a company in Ca.

www.asian4u.com is also registered to a company in Ca. IMO they are in violation of USC 2257, but on their main page and the models teaser page (no way I'm going to pay to join), I see none of the "desperation in her eyes" you are talking about. Also, they are young, and yes I would card any one of those girls if they came into my store. But I have no reason to believe that any of them are under 18.

Youth is beauty in our culture. 18 is the arbitrary age we have set for adult behavior. A younger looking 18yo in the industry is going to be more in demand than an older looking 18yo. It is just the way it is.

I also think that your premise that the appeal to people with an Asian fetish is that the girls are "poor and desperate" is way off base. It is a body type that people are attracted too. If this is true, then are people that like big fake boobs attracted because the girls have enough money for a boob job?

[mopinko]

25. it suits your purposes

to say that you have no reason to believe they are under 18. it also suits your purposes to "not see" the desperation. i don't see it in every naked woman. but i see it in plenty.
maybe its sorta like computer generated kiddie porn. maybe no one was hurt making it, but does that make it ok? i don't really care if they are 18, but look younger. if they get you off, you have a problem. (unless you are 16 yourself.)
youth is beauty? helplessness is beauty. strong women are vilified. people are sick.

[mongo]

26. Did you even look at that site?

I doubt it.

It suits your purpose to post sweeping generalizations about things you dislike.

[mopinko]

27. not from the site, have seen the pictures elsewhere.

many of them. :puke: you admitted you did not go onto the site, so what are you talking about?
i don't dislike sex, nudity, or pictures of same. i dislike the exploitation of poor girls, whether it is making pornography, or making tennis shoes. and i dislike people who will defend any form of pornography, regardless of its depravity, in the name of anti-censorship.
sex requires consent, or else it is rape. i am in favor of sex, i am against rape. if your choice is between the sex trade and starvation, that is not consent. that is duress. you cannot consent while under duress.

[mongo]

28. I am not for sex slavery - by any means

But I think that your views of the porn business are clouded, since the only glimpses you seem to get of it are from anti-porn sources, which take the worst of the worst and try to portray it as mainstream.

The vast majority of porn is legally produced by people who want to do it.

[mopinko]

32. you are making assumptions

big ones. and very wrong ones. i have seen lots of porn. i not exactly sure what an anti-porn source is. can't say as i've ever seen or visited one.
i have wrestled with this issue in my relationship with my husband of 25 years. i am not a prude. i am all for legal, equal, happy porn. i have a favorite woman owned sex toy shop that sells lots of fun things. outside of that, i find few examples that do not turn my stomach.
porn is just like sex, there is mutual, satisfying fun, and there is rape, coercion, and objectification. you do your cause no service by defending this kind of scum.
sex is a complicated thing. not everything that is legal is right. in fact, like so many things, obscenity laws make it all the harder to prevent the really ugly things that go on in this industry. and in a world where to be a woman limits your options but increases your burdens, it is not that hard to argue that most women who do it are not really free to say no. i will not infantalize them all by saying that they are not free to say yes. but hot asian teens, there i can make the case. these young women, even those on the right side of 18 don't really have other choices. don't buy nike, don't buy wal-mart, don't buy hot asian teens. buy annie sprinkle. look at the faces for a change.

[mongo]

36. Most of the women who work at Walmart are not free to say

no either. But who is more exploited? The woman making 500-2000 dollars for an afternoons work, or the woman making minimum wage standing behind a cash register all day?

Oh and BTW, I like Annie Sprinkle. She's a little goofy, but has done much to bring sex-positive information to the world.

[Locut0s]

40. If you believe that all pornography is rape and is done without consent..

you have a mistaken view of the porn industry. The vast majority of porn legally for sale out there involve consenting women and men of legal age. The "barely 18" attitude in porno is catering to a sexual biological fact and not to pedophile. That doesn't mean that these people would want to see 2 12 year olds having sex. Do a pole on just about any chat room and you'll find that a LOT of men watch pornography on a regular basis, be they democrats, republicans, rich or poor, that doesn't mean that these people are pedophiles.

[mopinko]

41. i never said all

or anything like all. the subject of the original thread was sex slavery and child prostitution in asia. aside from direct "services" this blight on humanity includes the production of MUCH pornography. i have seen, with my own eyes, many examples of "teens" that are clearly not anywhere near 18. aside from being clearly underage, they also were clearly, too me anyway, not having fun. of age or not, consenting or not, it turns my stomach to see it.

[CoffeeCat]

3. Behold the fruits of a world that has gone mad.

Good people respect and guard the innocence of society's most vulnerable--our children.

Evil people use that innocence for their own personal exploitation--and they feel nothing for these children that they view as objects.

It takes an incredibly sociopathic and very sick mind to commit these crimes and not look back.

What the hell is happening to civilization?

We're supposed to be evolving as a species--into better and more compassionate and sophisticated behaviors. We're not.

Things are getting worse.

[smirkymonkey]

11. I simply cannot fathom taking advantage of these poor

destitute children for one's own sexual pleasure. It's not even HUMAN! The fact that there is such a demand for it makes me absolutely sick.

What the fuck is wrong with people? (men, especially, I'm afraid)

[applegrove]

5. Sex industry in Thailand, Philippines has American soldiers to thank

for its creation.

Another reason why war is bad.

Though why we need to remind the people in power about this... is another story.

[bobthedrummer]

30. Some of these exploited and abused kids end up in armies too.

Girl Soldiers: The Forgotten Victims Of War
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/politics/story.jsp?story=632720

[seriousstan]

6. You are right, we should expose those damn Buddhists.

Cambodia----Theravada Buddhist 95%
Myanmar-----Buddhist 89%

not that I see where that is relevant.

[NNN0LHI]

8. 83% of Americans identify themselves as Christians n/t

[Lydia Leftcoast]

7. Whenever I hear a middle-aged American male say that

"Asians have a healthier attitude towards sex than we do," I'm almost certain that he's talking about the brothels he frequented in Thailand and the Philippines during the Vietnam War--or in Japan and Korea during the Korean War.

Yeah, healthy all right. The prostitutes whom GIs would have encountered in postwar Japan and Korea would almost all have been sold to brothels at the age of between eight and ten.

Prostitution has always been part of human culture, but to pretend that its prevalence represents "healthy attitudes towards sex" is a bad joke. There's still a huge sex industry in Japan, but the real measure of "healthy attitudes towards sex," i.e. good relations between men and women who are not in the sex trade, is in a sad state.

[Shallah Kali]

9. This is a big problem in America as well as elsewhere

Either people leave the country to to it or women and kids are imported and enslaved.

Experts: Vt. Sex Slavery Fits U.S. Pattern
July 23, 2004
http://www.timesleader.com/mld/timesleader/9223928.htm

The regulars at the Park Place Tavern weren't surprised when police raided what is being described as an Asian brothel in a small house across their shared driveway. But they were surprised when news reports linked the now-closed Tokyo Spa and two other health clubs in the area to what police say is an international prostitution ring that smuggled Asian women into the United States and made them sex slaves.

"We joked about it here all the time," said Sandy Maloney, who lives in an apartment complex out back.

Maloney said she watched as older men driving expensive out-of-state sport utility vehicles visited the Tokyo Spa at all hours.

SNIP

"Modern-day slavery is the fastest growing criminal industry in the world," said Derek Ellerman, co-executive director of the Washington-based Polaris Project, a grass-roots anti-trafficking organization.

Sex slavery: The growing trade
March 8, 2001
http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/03/08/women.trafficking/

Up to 120,000 women are smuggled into western Europe, mainly from central and eastern Europe, and forced into prostitution.

A report by the Protection Project, based at Johns Hopkins University, in Baltimore, Maryland, has documented the rising trends in the sex slave trade.

It says more than 15,000 women are trafficked into the United States every year, many of them young girls from Mexico.

The project also claims that Asian women are sold to brothels in North America for $16,000 each.

I can't find it right now but last year there was an article on how even the Netherlands has this problem with slavery. Legalizing prostitution does not prevent this from happening.

[Stinky The Clown]

10. "Legalizing prostitution does not prevent this from happening" .......

....... that's because this isn't prostitution. It is slavery. It is abuse. It is a crime of a far higher order than consensually entering the biz as a sex worker - or using the services of a sex worker.

I've never been a proponent of outing Johns as a way to stem "the vile sex business' that has been around for eons, but I could be convinced to do more than out to the assholes that pay huge sums for sex with an enslaved child.

I am as conflicted about an appropriate punishment for the purveyors, enablers, and users of this business as I am about rapists and child molesters (as discussed in this thread: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3520076 )

[mongo]

13. The vast majority of prostitutes in America are not sex slaves

They're drug addicted sociopaths. Most of the ones around here don't even have a pimp. They're just working for the next snort of meth or rock of crack.

Look, I don't mind reverse prostitution stings where they go after the johns, in this neighborhood the demand outstrips the supply and I see them circling the block all day long.

But your call for castration of anyone that visits a prostitute is a tad harsh, isn't it? The girls out here choose this for their life. They get busted over and over and are offered help and get court-ordered rehab but they just go right back to it when all is said and done.

And when you get up into the higher class escorts, most of these women also do it because they want to. It's easy money to them, and some of them actually like having sex with a variety of partners.

[Gin]

14. wasn't Neil over in SE Asia recently? Maybe this is his new business

venture....he already sampled the merchandise.

[Stinky The Clown]

21. My call for that was harsh ... and is the source of my stated confliction

(This about the violent rapists/child predators) The emotional side of me wants the castration ... the logical side of me wants the right thing ... whatever that is. I'd be much happier if my emotional side and my intellectual side were in synch. Like many of us, though ... they're not and may never be.

But I don't think I called for castration for sex workers or for johns .... quite a different group than the predators who are in the slavery game - or the above group .... yanno? Those who trade in children for the sex trade (slavery) are, in my book, no different than any other child predator. None at all.

As to garden variety prostitution - sex work -I'm actually in complete favor of legalizing it. It might get some of the tragedy out of it and make the people who support it or provide it more on a par with others who consume any other product or who work for a living and then live their lives.

There is someone I know very, very well who, after a divorce, worked the biz for a while. To meet her one would never, ever suspect that's what she did for a living. As a result, she was able to cultivate a small clientele of very high paying clients. She made a good living during this transitional part of her life and I respect her for doing what she had to do. I actually admire her for being so brave.

She took a huge pay cut and is now in a more conventional line of work.

[mongo]

24. Sorry, I misunderstood what you were saying.

and I think that child predators and people who traffic in human beings should be punished severely. I am also confliced on the idea of chemical castration, mostly because if it were allowed it would also be abused beyond dangerous sexual offenders - like the registration process is today.

I'm also conflicted on prostitution. As someone who sells porn for a living, and so profits from sex workers, I don't have a problem with it - or with someone like your friend, who was a respectable call girl.

But, OTOH, I opened an adult store in a neighborhood with rampant prostitution where a BJ costs $20 (or less) and full sex is $40. The girls are all crack addled whores that will even jump into cars without asking - and then demand money to leave. I have to keep the girls out of my lot and away from my customers while the customers are on my property - lest the city blame me for the mess that was here long before I was. So I get into arguments with these girls on a regular basis.

Some of them are actually decent people, and we generally come to a mutual respect. But some of them are sociopaths. They get in your car and steal whatever they can while they are with you. I get to hear a lot of stories from customers and people around the neighborhood. I have also banned several from the store, because they never buy anything, just steal the clothes which I usually don't find the empty hanger until right after they leave.

And the demand far outstrips the supply. My lot is a block long from front to back, and the johns swoop through my lot all day long while circling for a girl.

So, I'd love to see increased enforcement - although that just drives them to another nearby area for a while. I even let the vice squad (going after the girls, not the johns) work out of my lot sometimes.

[philosophie_en_rose]

35. "The girls out here choose this for their life."

I beg to differ. The girls "out here" are forced into prostitution and then are trapped there. I work in social services and have seen many former prostitutes. These women often have no legitimate job history, no educations, no skills, and a criminal record that forces them to earn money in the only available way.

The idea of the empowered woman that wants to be a prostitute is a myth perpetrated by misogynists in denial. There may be a handful of these mythical women, but I assure you that even their doubtful existence would not change the ugliness and desperation that traps women into prostitution.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

38. Yup, I worked with street kids, and most of them, male or female had been

prostitutes at one time or another, and they hated every minute of it, but they felt it was the only way to survive on the streets.

For them, what they did as prostitutes was an entirely different thing from what they did with actual lovers or even fuck buddies.

[mongo]

39. They made choices in their life

Maybe girls is the wrong term - since a lot of them are in their 30's and 40's. I know several who have been in and out of jail all their lives. Surely, they must at least be getting cleaned up and jail and off the drugs, but as soon as they're back on the street they are back on crack and meth. I don't feel sorry for them at all - they are choosing this lifestyle and if and when they want help they could get it - from the salvation army for example.

The only one I can say was forced into it was a 17yo who I knew was selling herself. Pretty sure her mom was a whore too - and the 13yo brother I think was into it too. I had to spend a summer kicking the two of them out of the store because I won't sell condoms to minors.

Not that I have a problem with that, but I don't let unacccompanied minors in the store and I don't want kids coming in at all. Anyway, the 13yo came in one day with two older men (and was promptly thrown out).

Haven't seen any of them for a while. Thankfully. The boy and his "posee" shot out my windows one night to the tune of $500 damage.

The idea of the empowered woman that wants to be a prostitute is a myth perpetrated by misogynists in denial. There may be a handful of these mythical women, but I assure you that even their doubtful existence would not change the ugliness and desperation that traps women into prostitution.

The streetwalkers out here are trapped in a cycle of drugs and crime. But the higher priced escorts (like the other posters friend above) and performers in the adult entertainment industry chose to do that because it is easy money and it fits their personality.

[FreedomAngel82]

17. Oh God

That's so disgusting. And of course Tom DeLay helped them stay opened. I hate these people!

[Karenina]

18. WHEN are y'all gonna realize

that the BFEE is all up in that P-FUNK???? :shrug:

[Taxloss]

19. Ugh

"beaten, drugged, starved or raped in the first days of their reclusion to intimidate and prepare them for clients"

This sentence made me feel genuinely ill.

[Catherine Vincent]

22. This world is fucked up.

Any male or female that would desire to have sex with a kid is sick sick sick!!

[libertypirate]

29. They are disgusting people...

[KansDem]

34. What can we expect?

I had a post yanked a couple of days ago about the Gannon affair. I said then this is what we get with the likes of the Bush Family and its involvement in this kind of thing. Consider the Washington Times front page about the White House call-boy ring when Poppy was Vice-President and the Franklin Credit Union coverup:

March 3, 2005—The recent scandal involving gay male escort and right-wing faux journalist Jeff Gannon (a.k.a. James Dale Guckert and possibly a few other aliases) is not welcome news for the purported sadomasochistic hedonists in the White House administrations of both George W. and George H. W. Bush.

As with their fascist fellow travelers in Hitler's Germany, Franco's Spain, and "The Colonels'" Greece, many of the fascists associated with the Bush family have a predilection for sex with children and young recruits within the U.S. military. However, since the 1980s, the Bush cabal has been able to keep the GOP's dark secrets away from the disinfectant of sunshine and media attention.

Except for the outbreak of news stories concerning the Franklin Credit Union-Lawrence King-Craig Spence child prostitution scandal in 1989 that involved midnight tours of the White House for underage male sex slaves from Nebraska and reached high into the upper echelons of the elder Bush administration, little has been heard about the sex crimes of top Republicans. That is, until it was revealed that "Jeff Gannon" was intricately tied to GOP operatives ranging from George W. Bush political "Svengali" Karl Rove, to White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan, and Texas GOP provocateur Bobby Eberle. In typical Bush scandal fashion, Eberle's "Talon News Service" has disappeared as fast as Jeff Gannon from the James Brady Briefing Room and Doug Wead's secret tapes of Bush from the public ear—tapes that, at the very least, indicated Bush's prior use of marijuana, cocaine, and LSD.

As this writer has previously reported, during the early 1980s, a number of naval officers were implicated in a child pornography ring that extended from Oregon to the San Francisco Bay area and to Chicago and Washington, DC. The story about that ring was covered up by then-Secretary of the Navy John Lehman who engaged in similar cover-ups of the Navy's "Tailhook" scandal involving the sexual assault by naval aviators of women, including at least one underage teen, and the gun turret explosion on the USS Iowa, originally and erroneously blamed by Navy investigators on a despondent gay sailor. The GOP appointed Lehman to the 9-11 Commission, which issued a final report that many victims' families and investigators determined was a whitewash.
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/030305Madsen/030305madsen.html

And now the revelation that a known gay prostitute has visited the White House more than a 100 times, often avoiding Secret Service security measures.

What does this mean? As I said in the post that was deleted, we are led to believe the upper echelons of society are somehow immune to this kind of deviant, perverse behavior. We are suppose to believe they are above it all. However, the opposite appears to be true: Engaging in this kind of behavior seems to be their outlet for recreation and amusement. And they can engage freely due to their social/economic status, as they are above the law; the same law that the rest of us must live by.

As I often tell my friends: "Class doesn't come from a wallet." And the Bush Family is a prime example of this...

[bobthedrummer]

31. Children face sex risk at US schools (Guardian)

A lot more reported sex abuse at US schools and the perps are increasingly female teachers and staff.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1263844,00.html

[Just Me]

33. Sadly, American "security" corporations are involved.

:puke:

[bobthedrummer]

37. The victims are most often from war zones.

Others are survivors of ritualistic abuse.
Make no mistake, this is organized.