Looks like Scamdy.com got WORRIED...

[benburch]

[Teaser]

1. What does this mean?

Do tell.

[tech3149]

2. Some jerks trying to plant the

Andy Stephenson is a scam meme.

[FreedomAngel82]

125. What I don't get is

why do these people give a damn what other people do with money? Nothing was stolen because people GAVE. If someone does scam you, yes it's bad, but it's your problem because you gave it to them. This is just so childish and immature.

[ailsagirl]

128. self-delete

[girl gone mad]

149. It's completely understandable.

Freepers wouldn't part with 10 cents to help their own mother if she was in need, so to see a group of people raise $50,000 to help out a complete stranger must be incredibly upsetting and disconcerting to them.

They only understand charity in the context of getting tax deductions, tithing to make business contacts and donating for good publicity.

[EFerrari]

156. Hard to believe but apparently right.

Have these folks never helped anyone out, ever?!

[Jose Diablo]

166. Nope

Something to do with big fish eat small fish.

[EFerrari]

167. So, you're suggesting these people have no frontal lobes? n/t

[benburch]

176. And no balls, either...

or they would not be seeking anonymity!

You know MY name.

I am 100% out about who I am and what I do.

They are total cowards who have to hide behind other's names, aliases, and anonymous web proxies. If you had one of them in a fair fight he'd piss himself.

[benburch]

4. They took down their discussion forum...

This is a screen capture.

[goodboy]

7. "we are increasing security" Translated: We are in deep shit

[goodboy]

3. yeah, they changed the name of the owner already. Someone named

"jason tonks" with a fake phone number. I'll bet that's against the rules also.

[elare]

9. Network Solutions

is still showing "David Allan" as the owner (I guess their database isn't updated yet).

I have the results saved should anyone have need of them.

[Cooley Hurd]

11. HAHAHA! They didn't even spell Skinner's/Kelvin Mace's real name...

...correctly!:rofl:

Friggin' amateurs!:D

[Bunny]

190. Kelvin Mace is not Du's Skinner.

[Cooley Hurd]

197. I know, but they share the same real name...

:)

[lateo]

117. Post that info here for our record.

:)

[Name removed]

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[Bouncy Ball]

5. Message to all freeptards and others of the same ilk:

Too late. You are too late. There's no way I would now believe ANYTHING that is connected in any way to your group of people. You have tarnished your little smear job before it started.

Too bad. Now go play or something. Shoo.

[Occulus]

140. exactly

and I bet it was a freeptard that did it. Weren't they talking about something of the kind, back when the scam rumor began?

[Cooley Hurd]

6. Cripes - is this the best they can do?

"scamdy.com?" Pretty freaking pathetic...:eyes:

These ninnies are lame-o's.:rofl:

[democracyindanger]

8. Clear cut case of libel

Seeing these idiots have their Arby's paychecks garnished to pay off a civil suit? Now that would be hilarious.

[kliljedahl]

27. "Arby's paychecks "?

I think it's the late night Wal-mart crew.


Keith’s Barbeque Central

[goodboy]

42. Haha. More like Rally's. Arby's is too high-end for those fuckers

[lateo]

119. LOL!

[bluestateguy]

10. Geez what losers

I think it's fair game to publish our threads on political topics at FR and that other site. We do the same thing to them. That's part of everyday political discourse. My real beef with that other site is that they will copy threads about people's personal probelms just to mock them. That's despicable. I don't see us doing that to the Freepers.

And if Andy's ordeal was a scam why make a big fuss out of it? Why not just let of us anti-American "DUmmies" get scammed? What do they care?

[ogradda]

12. Hahahahaha.

Those freaks should be worried. What a bunch of slime.

[salin]

13. what is with this sick obsession?

whole websites (two and counting) devoted to this...

last week there were postings on Conyer's blog that were pathological - with the level of personal anger on the topic. It is they who tried to prevent Andy from getting the needed medical procedure (which in my book is sick... even if they had doubts - raise the doubts, mock us, whatever.... but to try to block it - when even in their skepticism there has to be the acknowledgement that the illness might be real - is beyond the pale. what decent human being could even RISK possibly preventing someone from receiving a life-saving procedure)... but the way these folks were posting their venom was as if something had happened to them. Pathological. And more than a bit disturbing.

[benburch]

16. My opinion...

What they did rises to the bar of "attempted homicide" and should be prosecuted that way.

[salin]

19. the whole idea of taking political differences

even heated ones - into the spector of real world vendettas - be it trying to get folks fired from their jobs... harrassing them at home... or this - the most serious example that I have ever witnessed, a willingness to attempt to play God with someones life... is so messed up. And these folks are egged on by others who just like "watching the show." Sick.

[fishnfla]

20. If they did interfere in a patients care

they are indeed in deep shit.

I hope their hide gets nailed to the wall.

[EFerrari]

114. There's no "if". They got Andy's paypal account shut down,

they made calls to the hospital misrepresenting themselves, they even harrassed Andy's support people through out this whole process.

They got Andy's surgery delayed for two weeks that he couldn't afford. I may joke and make light of how lame they are. But, they are also malicious as hell and it has had consequences for DU, for all of us and especially for Andy.

[benburch]

118. We will see some of them jailed.

Have no fear.

The only question is how many of them will commit suicide rather than spend time in a cell as the prag of somebody named "Bubba".

[EFerrari]

120. I don't know, ben. Somehow, I don't see that much ambition over.

there.

oh no.

lol

Thanks for your help.

[Nothing Without Hope]

136. The most important thing is that they deliberately interfered with

treatment of pancreatic cancer - and who knows how that delay and the attendant extreme anxiety, fear and anger might have affected the patient's prognosis. It certainly was injurious to his emotional health and prolonged his physical pain. And it was pure malice. Harassing the people at the hospital where the life-saving treatment was to take place, lying to them, and deliberately trying to interfere with having the surgery done on schedule if at all - and succeeding in this - HAS to be illegal, I would think on multiple different counts. And then there's the deliberate lying to the DU community in an attempt to block the funds for the surgery from being raised. Along the way they smeared Andy's reputation as well as that of the people who were arranging for his surgery. (I STILL haven't seen flyarm around - she really put a lot on the line to get him in.)

On a much less important but still significant level, they deliberately and maliciously disrupted the DU community and its wider reputation. I suspect there are STILL some people who bought their "scam" story lies and as a result distrust some DU members and perhaps DU itself. They caused great confusion and ill-feeling and suspicion. All deliberately.

Their fraudulently registered domain name shows clearly that they plan additional malicious acts and must be stopped by legal means. Who knows what else they would do in the future? They have hounded a very sick man, tried to block his medical treatment, and attempted to destroy his professional and personal reputation. They should be held acountable for what they have already done. I most sincerely hope that just as special people in the DU community came together to raise the money for Andy's surgery and arranged to have it done at the best place for it, other DUers will step forward to take legal action against these malicious people (actually maybe only one person).

[EFerrari]

146. In this situation, two weeks is a long time.

And it was nearly worse than that. They nearly freaked out the hospital into turning Andy away altogether. I won't go into details, but after the amazing thing we all did here over that last weekend, several of us had a really horrible 48 hours trying to calm Johns Hopkins down.

But it blew back. The hospital got so many calls, that after telling me plainly that Andy was off the schedule, they changed their minds and became protective of him and his privacy.

* * *

I hadn't involved myself in the Bev Harris debate before this happened. I won't be neutral again any time soon.

[Nothing Without Hope]

152. In a real sense it was attempted murder. And as you say, even two weeks

is a long time with a growing pancreatic tumor - and they tried to block the surgery altogether.

These people/person must be stopped. Who knows what they will do next? Whatever it is, you know it will include harassment of Andy.

I hope the hospital is willing to participate in documenting the criminal charges when they are made.

If you're willing, would you please PM me with a link or a quick sentence on how Andy's doing? I haven't seen anything since just after the surgery. I don't want to intrude on his privacy, just get a general idea if that's acceptable.

[EFerrari]

155. The hospital needs to stay focused on its mission, which

is to save lives. So, it's unlikely they will want to wade in here. That's probably right. And, their help probably won't be needed.

But, you never know.

Andy is doing well. He and Termite are resting and recovering and preparing to begin the next phase of his treatment.

That's the good news. :)

/spilling

[Nothing Without Hope]

157. Thank you. Should I send a get-well card to Seattle or continue to

wait? He must have enough to paper his walls several times over by now. Thank goodness he has Termite.

[EFerrari]

160. The Seattle addy is being minded and would work just fine.

Thank you!

:)

/okay, no more typing for me. 'nite

[notadmblnd]

169. I see further up thread that the owner of the site

was a David Allen. He used to post here all the time. In fact if I recall correctly David allen (had another site called something like Plan nine publishing?) had a falling out with BBV early on. I'm not sure what it was about but I recall this because at the time I was thinking he sure was a drama queen.

I've refrained from making comments on this entire thing mainly because I don't want to keep the post stirred. But if this is the same David Allen, it must mean that he and BBV made up and worked together to try and discredit the good things people did for Andy?

[ck4829]

170. That was a lie they used. Please don't believe it.

Allan still posts here, they changed the Whois data to a false one after we found out about it.

The area code on the whois says 555. There is no such area code.

[Kelvin Mace]

201. and it's "Allen"

[Eloriel]

172. You've got an awful lot of facts wrong for such a short post.

And you run the risk of doing a lot of unnecessary harm in the process.

"I see further up thread that the owner of the site"
was a David Allen. He used to post here all the time. In fact if I recall correctly David allen (had another site called something like Plan nine publishing?) had a falling out with BBV early on. I'm not sure what it was about but I recall this because at the time I was thinking he sure was a drama queen.

Well, that's actually an "opinion," but IMO a fucked up one. Put another way: you'd have been AT LEAST as much of a "drama queen" if you'd have gone thru what David did with Bev Harris. Put yet ANOTHER way: you're dissing the wrong party here.

I've refrained from making comments on this entire thing mainly because I don't want to keep the post stirred.

Your original plan was a good one, esp. since you seem realy light on the facts here.

But if this is the same David Allen, it must mean that he and BBV made up and worked together to try and discredit the good things people did for Andy?

No!! FREEPERS put up that anti-Andy site and maliciously listed David Allen as the owner. He posted here about it yesterday. I can assure you, knowing what I do about David, there's no way he'd have been involved in something like this. He's one of the GOOD GUYS. He and Andy are on the same side (tho in truth I don't know if they have any relationship other than both being electronic voting activists, and both having been badly harmed by Bev Harris).

Please. Don't spread rumors. Haven't we had enough lives torn and tattered? Do we REALLY have to help out the freepers who would just love to sow further lies and dissent?

[notadmblnd]

174. I don't think I "dissed" anyone

I made no judgemental remarks about anyone. I don't if BBV lied or anyone else, I just know there was drama between the two. Only the parties involved know what the truth is or who was involved in the personal assult on Andy. I just think if the people being accused of doing this are guilty, then they must have kissed and made up in order to work together again. If thats "dissing" color me guilty.

[salin]

177. I think you are missing an important point.

The only one making the "accusation" of David being involved, is you. I am guessing you missed the thread that HE brought to the board, about finding out a) about the scamdy site; and b) finding out that someone had used his name and info to "register" the site - and his efforts to 1) find out who did this - and 2) to get it shut down due to the improper registration of the site (eg using false/fraudulent information.)

Get it? The creators of the site are not just defaming Andy, they were also trying to stir up problems for David, ala the type of accusation that you have just made.

Too bad for them that it came to David's attention - and he brought it to the forum's attention - before folks jumped to that conclusion (yours, aside, but I will give you the benefit of the doubt that you missed the earlier thead). And worse for them - this little "prank" of theirs may have included some illegal acts which just might turn out to cause them a world of headaches.

Hope this clarifies things for you.

[notadmblnd]

180. yes, I did miss the earlier thread

I'm sorry, if you or anyone else was offended I've seen many of the threads but this board moves so fast sometimes that important items are sometimes missed. I'll slink back to my hole now and leave you all to fight amongsts yourselves.

[salin]

183. you don't need to slink anywhere

walk proudly :D

Things do fly by quickly here. It happens.

Often I "walk" in on what seems like the last ten minutes of a five hour movie.

[merh]

181. Please see this thread.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3783013

Then you may want to consider offering an apology. There has been enough judging and blaming and calling out on this issue.

What was done for Andy was wonderful, all involved should be proud, all who gave should know that they helped him to get the life saving surgery he desparately needed.

All of those who are alleging the nastiness, who are promoting the scam theories and who are attacking others need to stop.

The efforts to discredit Andy and DU should be seen for what they are, efforts to discredit being promoted by folks that have no capacity for giving or caring, folks who don't trust anything done by liberals or anyone else that does not see the world as they see it, folks that envy what was done and fear the impact of our grassroots efforts.

Continuing with the name calling is not productive and does nothing more than fuel the hate and lessen the impact of what was accomplished.

If you deprive the flame the oxygen it needs to continue, the flame will extinquish itself. Here, the oxygen is hate and envy and disinformation.

Any questions that anyone has regarding the fundraising, anyone that wants their money back, need only ask those involved. Pmail me and I will be glad to assist you or put you in contact with the right parties.

[Kelvin Mace]

202. Huh?

I made no judgemental remarks about anyone.

Ah, you called me a "drama queen". Call me picky, but that seems judgemental.

[EFerrari]

179. No, they stole David's identity in order to create exactly

this kind of confusion. David was the one who originally brought this out here to give us a head's up.

[benburch]

182. And identity theft is a CRIME.

We are dealing with crooks here, folks.

[EFerrari]

185. Exactly. Just read the projection, it can be instructive. n/t

[benburch]

186. Projection?

:shrug:

[EFerrari]

187. Pysch term for when people accuse you of doing what

they are doing or thinking.

The Cabal does is all the time. Does that make sense? They accuse Andy of faking, us all of hiding facts, of fraud -- it always tells you more about the accuser.

[benburch]

188. Ah! Gotcha.

I was literally thinking you were referring to some document... Sometimes I get too literal.

[EFerrari]

189. Or, I get too abstract.

Recovering Sagitarian here. :)

[Kelvin Mace]

200. Drama Queen, huh?

Care to explain that to me?

Please point to a post where I act the drama queen.

And I still post here, but changed my handle because of freeper harassment of my business.

I have nothing to do with Bev Harris and the whole point of the scamdy.com site was an attempt to frame me.


See folks, even when we head off this kind of thing, people are willing to believe it.

[Stephanie]

205. David was unaware of this until I alerted him

They had posted at one of their hate sites that they were going to buy the domain, so I tried to beat them to it. When I saw that it was taken I checked the whois, and then I sent the info to David. It was obvious fraud.

[warrens]

24. I agree

Lock those fuckers up for a few years. Fewer psychos on the street voting straight Nazi ticket.

[tsuki]

89. Post #16 already on their site.

[benburch]

107. Good!

:rofl:

If they are looking for somebody who they might annoy, they picked the wrong guy here!

[Eloriel]

175. They need to add #136 and #152 n/t

[benburch]

184. AS IF they had the balls to quote anything in context!

:rofl:

But if there were about to be honest, those would be good choices.

[Elidor]

22. "decent human being"

There's the catch. There's nothing decent about any of them. They're malicious, hateful, willfully ignorant fools who delight in causing misery. They're jealous of anyone who's happy, anyone who receives support and friendship and love, because they have none themselves.

[Name removed]

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[Tigress DEM]

121. DU had freepers before Bev and comments like yours are ...

founded on nothing. Makes DU look juvenile.

I would think an increase in freeper activity is more related to a pathetic attempt by irrational right wingers to lash out at people speaking the truth because like most people living in denial, they just can't handle the truth.

[Name removed]

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[Tigress DEM]

151. OK, I hear you have valid personal experience.

But does that make every freeper her fault?

I think you are really punched up about things she's done, but I don't think calling her a whore and a bitch really help things unless it vents some steam for you personally.

DU is so big now that these stupid attempts by freepers to villify simply backfire. There was a good reason that the whole BEV thing got pulled off here because there was so much hurt about it and digging in that shit bag just raises the stink again. But hey, you want to keep giving away your power to someone who has hurt you, I can't stop you. It's a free country.

Still, think about this: Resentment is like taking poison and expecting your enemy to die. Is any of this getting back in her face or is it just keeping it alive for you? If it's the second, give it up because you probably deserve better than that.

Peace.

[EFerrari]

154. Have you looked at any of the threads attacking Andy

WHILE he was in surgery? Bev Harris just seemed to magically show up in all of them, and on multiple boards.

This isn't about resentment (something I agree with you on comepletely) or feuds or whatever. This is about a very present evil that needs to be handled.

/dyslexia, lol

[Tigress DEM]

163. No, I'm too busy attacking the media and writing letters most of the time.

I stayed out of the Andy thing because there was no way for me to know if it was legit or not and I felt that others who actually knew him would be in a better position to make that decision.

I worked with a guy who perpetuated this kind of scam and it left me with a bad taste for that kind of request.

I didn't feel it was my place to jump in and criticize either since obviously a lot of people felt it was the right thing to do, but I avoided most of those threads, so, no, I haven't seen the ones you've mentioned.

[merh]

164. Then why did you jump in this one?

I'm just curious. I have stayed out of this thread because all that could be said was being said.

But now, with your superior attitude, lecturing others as if you are so above all of this, I think my question is very legitimate. Why the heck did you jump into this thread and post your comments if you have been too busy and if you don't care?

Why post the history about "this kind of scam" if you are not trying to perpetuate the "scam" theory? The proper way to have formed your sentence that included your personal experience would have been "a scam similiar to what has been alleged or purported" or "a scam like the obsessed disruptors are suggesting occurred".

Why, if you were so removed from all of this, if it was so beneath you due to your efforts and previous history, have you chosen to belittle others and make the comments you have made?

Do you need proof or are you just in the mood to lecture and judge?

[EFerrari]

178. Maybe you didn't see them because they were posted to RW

sites where, in addition to Andy, Dems were also being attacked.

You didn't miss a thing.

[Zhade]

165. I appreciate the post.

I'll think about what you've said. But I always reserve the right to tell people the truth about Harris.

Peace.

[brainshrub]

73. Here's the reason: (I wrote this in an earlier thread)

Because if Andy was ripping us all of it would confirm their belief that helping others only leads to pain and woe. By being selfish and self-absorbed you not only avoid being taken advantage of, you don't have to take an active part in helping to make society a better place.

Love requires risk, so does being an active citizen in a democracy. Liberals are far more willing to risk for love than conservatives, which is why Liberals have always been democracy's best champions.

The fear to risk is why conservative distrust democracy and policies that benefit all citizens.

[benburch]

82. Brainshrub; Their lack of empathy borders on psychopathic

I think many of these people are serial killers waiting to happen.

[foo_bar]

111. brain is right

They're only reassuring a loveless, infantile worldview. Serial killers are more inclined to get off their arse.

[Nothing Without Hope]

141. Yes, there has to be concern about how far they might go in the future

They've already done so much in the past and now they have this fraudulently licensed domain name that shows their intention to do more. There's no indication that there is any line they won't cross. These people (or person) are not only malicious, they interfered directly in life-saving medical care, to the extent of harassing the caregivers and trying to prevent the care being given at all.

So what would they stop at? They have shown themselves to be terrorists.

[salin]

131. what a very sad commentary

has a ring of truth to it (as the attitude you describe needs 'validation' when the guilt of greed/self-absorption comes calling) - but it is very sad.

[Occulus]

142. Haven't you noticed? They all seem to target... us.

That's because the internet conservatives are scared shitless that we a) know this medium better than they do, b) use this system more effectively than they do, and c) are far more creative with our design and execution than they could ever hope to be.

That's just what creativity is. It requires an open and thinking mind to exist. Conservatives simply do not have the mindpower (different than brainpower, by the way) necessary to concieve new ideas that may not immediately benefit themselves.

Conservatives of today, that is. I'd feel safe in saying that wanting to preserve the Earth by cleaning the air and soil and getting us off our addiction to oil, adequately feed and heal everyone on the planet who are hungry or sick, house all the homeless, educate all the children, and preserve Constitutional freedoms for all US citizens are some pretty damn conservative goals.

Conservative. Conserve. Do not all the above stated goals work to do precisely that?

I guess that makes us the true "conservatives".

[CatWoman]

14. poor pencil dick republicans

that's the party of MORAL VALUES???

Seems like like the party of Morbid Vapidness.

[Cooley Hurd]

17. "morbid vapidness" - if only they were that complex...

They're more the type who masturbate to fake nude pics of Lindsey Lohan on the internet...:rofl:

[Historic NY]

15. They are worried idiots paid for site name w/ a credit card..........

:kick::nuke:

[goodboy]

18. Any word on that credit card that was used? (nt)

[benburch]

21. Finding out will likely have to wait for the FBI...

And they work banker's hours.

[Generic Other]

23. An obsessive freak is behind this shit

Unbelieveable.

Doesn't Scamdy have something better to do? Repossess someone's car? Rob old ladies in grocery store parking lots? Steal cookies from girl scouts? Torture cats?

What a shameful and pathetic person.

[benburch]

25. What's even worse...

the people who think this asshole is a hero.

[salin]

28. they have empowered him

to go far, far over the line. At first the damage was ugly - but not necessarily directly harmful except in a psych sense to Andy and those caring about Andy. But being egged on by "fans" - this person (or group of people) attempted to prevent donations from reaching John Hopkins Med Center - and prevent medical care. They (the fans) very well might have played a role in their pushing this thing over the edge.

[BeHereNow]

29. Seen this site yet?

Talk about PATHETIC-
http://delilahmused.passcreek.net/
Yet more innuendo about Andy's illness and
our fundraising efforts to help him.
Wonder how many of the naysayers participating
on this hate site would actually help the person
who runs it, should they face pancreatic cancer surgery?
Don't bother to answer that question, I think we all know.

Curiously, the site has nothing to say about the
update on Andy's surgery at JOHN HOPKINS.
What a hateful bunch of twit-nits.
BHN

[EFerrari]

54. What this site's timeline does show is how poor the care was

that Andy was getting in Seattle in the public health system, and how long it took him to get anything close to the right diagnosis. I'm not dissing Seattle -- mostly likely they are understaffed and underfunded for the traffic they get. But, it meant Andy lost precious weeks there.

[Redstone]

137. Send me a PM to remind me, and I'll have that site taken down.

Redstone

[Jack Rabbit]

26. These guys are really low

They'd rob from widows and orphans, unless they were right wing Republican widows and orphans.

[BlueBloodDem]

30. For What it's worth..............

I do not post here. I read here. I have a friend that used to post here during the election voter fraud stuff. He wanted me to sign up, so I did.
He was adamant about getting to the truth.
I received an email from him the other day asking if I knew about Andy's surgery. I said a little, as I have been out of town on business for the past 3 weeks.

To make a long story short, he wanted me to join in a new forum discussing Andy fraudulently taking money from other Du'ers. He said several other tombstoned Du'ers were starting a forum to expose fraud.
I declined. I sent an email back stating if this isn't about vote reform count me out. Someone's personal life should not be discussed on a forum dedicated only to him

I do not know if this has anything to do with what you guys are talking about, but if it does, I thought you might like to know.

If I can get anymore info I will post it.
I have sent another email asking if the site he was referring to was scamdy.
I am awaiting a reply.

BBD

[BeHereNow]

31. Welcome to DU BBD!

And may I commend you for your temperate sensibilities
and judgment.
BHN

[benburch]

32. It would be useful to know your friend's name.

If you are comfortable with giving that information, PM me.

If not, I understand.

Thanks.

[BeHereNow]

33. Indeed. N/T

BHN

[BeHereNow]

34. AND the web site mentioned ...

I am curious to know what that is about.
BHN

[Capn Sunshine]

40. personally, I prefer not to turn over any more rocks

I don't need to see any more disgusting creepy crawlies.

They got their special room in Hell, what else do they need?

I'm just glad Andy is recuperating and stands a good chance.

[benburch]

45. They need a special room alright.

At the Metropolitan Corrections Center.

[Nothing Without Hope]

143. If they are not stopped with legal action, they will continue to harm and

harass Andy and everyone associated with him. They already tried to prevent life-saving surgery and smeared his reputaton and those of people who helped him.

What would they stop at? They are not only malicious, they (or he/she) appear to be psychopathic.

[BlueBloodDem]

36. While I consider it all atrocious behavior........

I did ream him out pretty good in my last email. I had rather not stir this pot, it looks like it is boiling enough.

I still consider him a friend (INTERNET friend) and he is still passionate by voter fraud, and does keep me updated on that.

I think he and whoever the others he is referring to might be, were just ticked to get tombstoned and are acting out childish revenge.

Again, that is my opinion, I just thought, if it is the same people, you might be able to figure it out here.

Please note, the emails he and the others sent out went to a ton of people, so I a not sure which one is in charge, only that all are involved, including my friend.

If he does respond, I will PM you with what I find out.

thanks for the welcome to the person above you ..:)

edited to add: If he reads this I may not hear back from him :(

[Name removed]

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[BlueBloodDem]

39. To my knowledge.........

He is not affiliated with BBV. I know he was terribly upset by all the BBV shenanigans. But I won't swear to it. I only know him from other political forums, and that he asked me to sign up here, during the vote fraud stuff. Which I did and found it to be a wealth of hard work by you guys. I commend you on it!
Again, I am not an prolific poster. I like to read and usually stay out of participation in forums.

I just thought this was important. :)

[salin]

41. thanks for speaking out

and glad you are here at DU, even if "quiet" most of the time.

I look forward to the time where the bbv issue is solved (that is we have verifiable/verified voting) - and when this awful energy surrounding Andy's illness is over (and when he is back to good health).

Peace.

[Boredtodeath]

43. Yeah, he's been busy

It's John Dean aka BozosforBush/Jamboi/BigTentDemocrat/FrankSolich.

All the same guy.

He spent about 4 months at BBV fighting with another guy over there - in threads called the SoapOpera. So, yeah, he's a big BevBot being led around by her. No doubt that's where he got the David Allen phone number and address - from Bev directly.

here he is at Bev's place back in December:
http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/72/1735.html?1106399543

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[salvorhardin]

57. Thanks lala

I certainly smell something. Thanks for helping to clear the air.

[lala_rawraw]

58. Not a problem...

I really find this "pretend" faux PI work a bit suspect and I really find blaming people for things they have nothing to do with even more so. This entire thing about Andy is a tragedy from start to finish. What is worse, however, is that a few psychos are using this as a launching pad for their careers inside Gannon's arse.

Really sick of all this name calling, pointing, and such. I have said this over and over, we have things to talk about on these boards, the Andy stuff is taken care of. I think our dear eager beaver here needs to let it go and let the grown ups work.

[seemslikeadream]

59. Oh that rich coming from YOU

[lala_rawraw]

55. Really? Okay,

I can prove they are not the same person. I know Jamboi and John are two different people. Are you calling me a lier? Is that what you are saying... that I am lying?

[benburch]

60. If lala says John is OK...

and not the same guy as Jamboi, then you can bank on it!

[salvorhardin]

113. ...and thank you Ben

That makes 4 long time DU'ers and hard working activists now, Boredtodeath. Feeling a little outnumbered? Once again, I believe you owe John an apology.

[starroute]

130. Add me in as well

John has no social skills whatsoever, and he can get very obsessive about what he thinks is right. I really respected him last fall for introducing the Response Dynamics Social Security scam letter matter, which led to an enormous amount of excellent research, and I was sorry to see him go off on this FableCrusader tangent that has landed him in so much trouble.

John apparently decided that seemslikeadream was one of the disruptors he was tracking for no other reason than that she was strongly involved in the CyberNET threads last November where so many posters were sowing disinformation. I believe he was absolutely off base in this conclusion, and it was appalling behavior on his part to post his unfounded speculations on a public board.

However, so far as I know, that is the totality of his sins. The "Andy" mentioned at the link to which Boredtodeath referred is one of John's disruptors, and not connected in any way to Andy Stephenson. John is capable of being painfully heedless of others' feelings, but there is no viciousness in his character.

[salvorhardin]

133. thanks to you too starroute

I know John appreciates the defence.

[seemslikeadream]

134. Thank you so much starroute

Your post means a great deal to me.

[salvorhardin]

135. Well there boredtodeath?

That's five of us now, and this is my last post in this thread. Are you satisfied? I assume John can expect an apology in his e-mail come morning.

[lala_rawraw]

51. Ah wrong...

I know BozosforBush and I was stalked by Jamboi, so I think I can safely say they are not the same person. Iam curious where you get your information, because this is a great deal of bullshit coated in more bullshit and stapled to crap.

[lala_rawraw]

52. Bored... What I want

Are facts right now... because you are, like you and yours, are smearing someone who you know nothing about. Any reason for that? You got a little problem with John? Do tell us.

[seemslikeadream]

61. I got a problem with John

He has reregistered here after being banned 5 times, and spreading lies about me. There must be a problem if he's been banned and keeps lying to get back on this board to smeer people. All his latest posts and thread have been deleted. Do you think Skinner would do that for no reason?

[benburch]

62. Skinner hardly ever deletes posts himself.

He leaves that to the moderators, which I have been in the past, so I know how it works.

[seemslikeadream]

64. I have communicated with Skinner

personally, I know what I'm talking about. This has been going on for 6 months now.

[benburch]

68. Well, then your matter has been dealt with.

Perhaps you need to learn to develop a "thicker skin"?

[seemslikeadream]

69. After 6 months of harassment from him

I am tired of it

[benburch]

71. Any clue as to why?

Perhaps you can elucidate?

But in any case this is a distraction from this issue.

[seemslikeadream]

77. The problem started around election time

in the 2004 Election Results and Discussion forum, maybe you missed it. He viciously attacked old times DU'rs here and newbies alike and mocked them and started threads making fun of them. The warning at the top of the forum was put there because of him.

[lala_rawraw]

80. Like I said, he is a bit paranoid and is

Convinced that some of the people spreading disinfo, do so in groups from one forum to another. Need I mention andyscam/scamdy/etc.? Of course he is paranoid enough that sometimes he calls out the wrong person, but he has been tracking these people and so far, at least some of what I have seen seems very interesting and worth at least checking out.

He is not Jamboi, however, and he is not behind the Andy thing. I am defending Andy, don't you think if I thought for a moment John was behind I would have thrashed him?

Please, let it be. John may be loads of things ranging from paranoid to testy, but he is not what some have claimed in this thread.

In any case, when he found proof of some allegations of hacking the "FC" had done is when they went after him big time and when I was approached to write about it. Not having time, I reviewed some of the info and handed it off to another journalist. It is surely worth looking into. Segretti with an Internet connection... imagine how screwed that is.

He has found at least a few Segretti types, from what I have have seen and I have seen very little, but enough to think it worth looking into.

[seemslikeadream]

84. Tell him to let ME be

He's the one lying about me. That's all I know.

[lala_rawraw]

87. Okay, now I am confused... is he not banned? Read your PM

Not sure what you two have going. I don't pay attention to people's fights, but I certainly respect your concerns. Perhaps you and he need to figure that out. I am responding to him being behind Scamdy and Jamboi claims. Of that, he is not. The rest, well... maybe meds might help, but I don't know what you two have going on and I try to stay out of personal fights.

[seemslikeadream]

91. The problem is you're defending a person

that has deceitfully gotten back on this board at least 4 or 5 times now. When a person is tombstoned here their posts are not deleted. Why do you think his latest thread was completely deleted and his posts also. It's not because he lost his temper. Again he TRASHED long time DU'rs and newbies alike relentlessly coming back to this board for 6 months now. I have a person that maybe you will listen to but I have to ask permission before I could give out that name.

[lala_rawraw]

95. Tell person to PM me please... but, he is NOT

Jamboi, of that I am very certain. I am willing to listen, but in PM. I am really sick of these flame wars.

[seemslikeadream]

168. See post #130

and I didn't have to ask

starroute

John apparently decided that seemslikeadream was one of the disruptors he was tracking for no other reason than that she was strongly involved in the CyberNET threads last November where so many posters were sowing disinformation. I believe he was absolutely off base in this conclusion, and it was appalling behavior on his part to post his unfounded speculations on a public board.

[seemslikeadream]

103. Maybe he knows how I feel now

He's been doing the same thing to me for 6 months


"but he is not what some have claimed in this thread"


Ask him this for me

How do you defend yourself from lies people tell about you?

[lala_rawraw]

79. Because John is a bit

Paranoid and testy... he has been investigating a group of smear mongers for 6 months. Some of what he has found is very interesting actually. I have passed it on to LA Times to look into. The problem is that he gets attacked by a troll and reacts badly, and then honest DUers join the fight and then before you know it, everyone goes nuts and he gets banned. He is not good about keeping his cool.

[lala_rawraw]

76. Yes I know skinner bans him and I don't give skinner

Any crap on that. This is his board and as I have said John can get a bit testy. That does not fraud make. Now can we just let the people working on the Andy thing please do so and the rest of us actually use our time better?

John is not Jamobi and John is not part of this scam and smear of Andy.

So just drop it, unless you want to list every person ever banned and say they are the fraudster? I mean really, this is really becoming sick.

[Boredtodeath]

63. And here's just ONE example of these folks

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2005/1/2/231554/3343

[lala_rawraw]

70. Answer the question...

I will ask you again... are you saying that I am lying? Answer the question. K? Waiting...

[Boredtodeath]

72. I'm saying the evidence says otherwise

And you've been taken in by a con artist.

[lala_rawraw]

75. Ah and you would know me

And me being taken by a con artist because? Evidence of what? Because he is obsessed with Fable Crusaders or whatever he has named them? Okay, so he is odd and a bit paranoid. Fraud, is not part of that description. Now, you don't know me at all and you know even less about what is actually going on here, but you are will to make accusations that classify as defamation?

As I have said, you need not like him. He is odd, he is paranoid, he is not as cool headed as some here. Those are all true, in my opinion. He is not, however part of this scam, nor is he Jamboi. That said, I have not seen Jamboi stalking this place for ages... you happen to be in touch?

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[lala_rawraw]

81. Ah, good to know. Thanks for sharing

[benburch]

198. Hmmm... Did boredtodeath get tombstoned?

All of his postings here are gone!

[salin]

204. ya know,

sometimes clicking on a profile - before posting speculation per public speculation per tombstoning is a good idea. Sorta leads to our own behavior starting to mirror behavior that we are decrying.

*gentle nudge/reminder*

[benburch]

206. Duh...

Didn't even think of that.

I so seldom look at anybody's profile.

[salvorhardin]

112. Boredtodeath

I'm assuming that you're normally a nice guy, and I'm assuming your beef with John is that he staunchly defended Bev Harris' group's research the other day and because of that you seem to think that John is somehow involved with Bev Harris?

You now have 3 long term DUers, each of which works many long hours in an attempt to chip away at the lies which this administration has used to pave over almost everything that has made this country great and led to over a century of steady progress. Each of us is telling you that John Dean is a decent human being, and a nice guy to boot. Each of us is telling you that John neither does John have any involvement in this whole scamdy mess, but neither is he Jamboi or Franksolich. Don't you think that maybe, just maybe, with all of us vouching for John, that you could be wrong? 'Cause you are.

[luaptifer]

97. now that's another good one. ask antifascist if he's john dean

it'll be a response similar to the one that Jamboi gives you and for exactly the same reason. they were on opposite sides of the divide.

how do i know? i tried to be a mediator across the divide, assuming that at least a couple of the people involved in Jamboi's crew were sincere and not intentionally disinforming. at one point, perhaps even now, i'm not sure Jamboi was intending to disinform he just liked to be seen as leading.

but Jamboi wouldn't let john dean in the group despite the fact that the primary problem was between Jamboi and john. it wasn't until i learned how much of a game was being played by jamboi that i gave it up.

and if i remember correctly, in that group jamboi posted messages passed on by antifascist but there's plenty of other evidence even here on DU where, if you paid attention, you'd see they're not the same person.

it seems as though you're working some kind of agenda here, do i take that correctly or are you just mistaken?

[lala_rawraw]

67. The problem with John

Is that he gets a bit upset and frustrated, says things in anger, and then poof, banned. He is a hot head, that is true, but he is not a freeper or a sick bastard, simply a person coping with living in 2+2=5 and some of us cope in ways others may not appreciate, and sometimes it goes beyond that. But he is not this "guy" behind this stuff. Of that you can be sure. He is also not Jamboi and of that you can be sure. I don't know who the other two are, but given that the person's claims in the first part are false, I find the rest foolish and laughable. Plus, I think that last one may be a FreeTard.

The point is, you don't have to like someone, that is fine. It is a whole other issue when you accuse them of something they had nothing to do with and at this point, has become a very serious set of criminal acts.

Much as I do not like that Comic person, forget the name, I still do not find it ethical to accuse people of things without proof.

See, freepers and creepers do that kind of useless brain cell killing. We need not join in their joy at destroying people.

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[Jack Rabbit]

38. Welcome to DU, BBD

!!

[Craig3410]

44. Republical widows and orphans?

Like that'd stop them; they'd rob 'em anyway.

[benburch]

46. And they would RAPE the widows.

Heck, some of them would rape the orphans.

[DearAbby]

47. What they did should be a crime...why should they care if those of us at

DU were "scammed" What they did, was tried to prevent someone from having a life-saving procedure with their lies, and should be brought up on charges.

I gave and I am happy to have done so, so why care if I did this or not, any skin off their noses? What hate filled people.

[benburch]

53. DearAbby, Rest assured, charges will be brought.

Too many different people have said that they are going to the police and FBI for an investigation not to occur.

[AlCzervik]

65. That borders on the obscene imo

this guy is making a cottage industry off someone who is ill.

[OilemFirchen]

66. FWIW

Here's their super-secret ultra-secure porta-pottie reinforced forum.

Lemme know if they add another layer of slime, and I'll happily crack that too.

[benburch]

74. Good job.

What Bozos!

http://www.portalbaw.com.br.nyud.net:8090/velho/bozo.jpg

[EFerrari]

83. I can't believe these morans are even picking on Miss Waverly

who has been a saint through all of this. Wow. I sure wouldn't want their karma.

[benburch]

85. Fear not.

It *will* catch up with them.

[deadparrot]

86. The level of intellect astounds.

Simply breathtaking, I tell you. :P

[benburch]

88. Makes me want to return my Mensa card in SHAME it does! nt

http://www.mazepath.com.nyud.net:8090/uncleal/mensa.gif

[EFerrari]

92. You're right. I'm mailing back my PBK key today!

[AuntiBush]

138. Maybe I should be glad mine lost it's way to me!

Was suppose to receive it months back w/Prez Scholarships. Turned them down and got out of Red-neck college.

The pict gave me a sigh, but there's always another year to try again.

[EFerrari]

148. When you have it in your hand, it will be that much more shiney.

Keep the faith. :)

/typin'

[lala_rawraw]

96. lmao...

Well you need to poor souls think they still live in something called a Republic. They are so sad and confused after all. I mean Republicans are about big gov, large debts, violation of Constit. rights? If I remember clearly, it seems Republicans were quite against those things. So it seems these guys have not caught on yet that their mother ship has sailed off without them.

They really should change their name to "Free NeoCons"

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[goodboy]

104. good work! hahahahaha (breathe in) ahahahahahaha

[Nothing Without Hope]

147. They have 37 registered users. That is one hateful site, all about a sick

man's surgery. Unbelievable - or at least I wish it were.

[EFerrari]

159. My guess is they have 5 users registered 7 times.

Maybe they just really enjoy each other.

[Nothing Without Hope]

161. Sounds incestuous, desperate, and pathetic

:scared:

but they have done real damage and need to be stopped with legal action.

[ck4829]

90. There IS NO Jason Tonks. Read this to know who the Idiot behind this is

I presented data to both DU publicly and to Kelvin Mace in a PM.

This person:

Hates DU

Hates Liberals

Is a Sociopath

Says that Andy is a Scammer in other places

Is a Freeper (big hint to what his Sanity, or lack of, is)

I don't want to make their identity public, but if you PM me I could tell you who he is, where his sites are at, and what evidence I used to find out who he is.

[lala_rawraw]

99. Woo hoo... just a few things to point out...

The above stats describe the lot of them, so that does not narrow it down. But, please PM people the info in private. You would be opening yourself to serious charges if you outed someone who had nothing to do with this, plus, I say let them be unethical... they only have that that to hold on to (poor dears think there is a Republican party still). We need to behave in a way that does not put us down to their level.

They single out individual posters
They dig up personal info on them
They post it in public

We need not do the same, but we can notify one another in PM, email and such, without having to act the way that they do.

[EFerrari]

102. That's right. DU has thoughtful rules to protect DU AND DUers.

Let's please keep them in mind.

[benburch]

105. I've been "outed" by the best!

I'll tell you THAT saga some other time...

Funny thing was he outed me on things that I have been trying to out myself on for YEARS.

[goodboy]

115. check your PM's...(nt)

[Historic NY]

98. found this posted on their site

Sigmund Freud Says:

June 5th, 2005 at 9:26 am
Sounds like someone has obsessive compulsive disorder. Why would you even care if Andy scammed people unless you donated. If the people at DU are satisfied it is not a scam. Perhaps you need to get a life and move out of your parent basement.

[EFerrari]

100. LOL!

See what you did? Now all four of them have to move their operation.

:rofl:

[lala_rawraw]

101. Again, that would mean...

Looking at reality and realizing that they are of "the devil's party" to borrow Blake's words. They, in other words, do not realize that there is no Republican party. There are NeoCons, but there is no Republican party. If they cannot tell the difference, then the life they need to get is already an option they have lost. Plus, anyone who thinks torture and violations of Geneva are appropriate, not only has no life, but has no soul. Let them be and don't bother going over there. I went there twice and that was twice too many times. I actually thought I could find some common ground. Sad but true, really thought I could speak to them about "our country" and the way it has been hijacked by people who are NOT Republicans or Democrats, but a whole other animal.

It seems as long as they get a sticker saying "good job, you won something" they don't even care to see what it is they have actually won or if they have in fact won.

So don't even bother going over there. They are busy chasing green little balls around a little cage because someone keeps putting out cheese every so often.

[EFerrari]

106. lala, I don't think these people are even political at all.

In fact, I don't recognize anything they say about anyone. Maybe they just crashed the wrong party. Mapquest isn't what it used to be.

:shrug:

[goodboy]

108. posted where? I don't see any posts in any of the forums

[goodboy]

109. The website is up and running...just so you all know...

[Cleita]

127. Did you see the guy named Jason

wearing a T-Shirt that said "I'm a goodboy". What's that about?

[goodboy]

132. they're just libeling and slandering me. It's being dealt with.

[benburch]

171. I hope you nail their asses to a tree, goodboy. nt

[goodboy]

173. It's gonna be more like a cross. (nt)

[Jose Diablo]

110. Mining IP's now are we? n/t

[benburch]

116. Oh, you don't know the half of it.

I have an IP dump for one of those sites that has every one of their registered users on it.

Damn they are dumb!

I posted right here how to get IP traces off boards you don't own; Just put up an image on a server you DO own.

And they even batted my posting around at the board that shall not be named, and you'd think they could remember that lesson three weeks on, wouldn't you?

Nope. I posted some good Democratic anti-bush art at that one site, and captured a full set of IPs.

Now if they had turned off the tag in their software, as caution would direct, their identities would have been safe...

And they wonder why I call them "slow"!

[demodonkey]

124. What a bunch of.... (Morans is too good for these)

Well I have to leave now and drive all night... just thinking about these F-wads might keep me awake and from running off the road!

:grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke:

[benburch]

126. Be careful!

Pull over if you get sleepy!

[demodonkey]

129. Worry not, Ben... I won't run off the road...

I'm in a four-nuke and four-grr mood right now!

:nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr: :nuke: :grr:

(but thanks for caring!)

[anarchy1999]

145. Pull over, check into a Motel 6 "we keep the lights on" kinda place and

check back in with us all in the morning. Please. and thank youl

[Rex]

139. Smell the fear freeptards!

To the lurking trolls - you FUCKED with the wrong people!

[OilemFirchen]

144. Hot-diggity Shit! A bodacious threat!

Via the referenced playpen:

(Mostly unintelligible drivel snipped...)

It's been said in FR before, but people like you are the types who need more than one lesson.

The FIRST of you to run to The Law (Mr Stephenson excepted) probably gets off scot-free.

The REST of you will need to invest in cases of soap-on-a-rope.

Don't say you weren't warned. That is all.

OUCH!

From this guy?





Heh heh heh...

[EFerrari]

150. Of course we'll need soap, to wash off the slime from

handling these whackos.

In fact, I may just make a Costco run tomorrow.

[Nothing Without Hope]

153. I do wonder whether this is actually politically motivated on some level

That is, that it's being done by psychopaths but that they might be receiving aid or encouragement from people who oppose election reform and want the setup for stolen elections to stay the way it is because they plan to steal more of them. Andy has been such a fighter on this front - surely there are people who want his work stopped. Similar to the way Athan Gibbs' work was stopped when his car was forced off the road.

I do wonder. Aside from the insane malice, it's just so WEIRD that they would keep harassing Andy this way. Unless there is a serious political motive behind some of their support or motivating connections.

[EFerrari]

158. Imho, insanity is trumping politics. But, that's just me. n/t

[Nothing Without Hope]

162. Oh, I agree that the bad actors in this are more likely insane than

politically cunning. What I wonder about is whether someone who IS interested in suppressing Andy's work on election reform is encouraging them or supporting them in some way.

[SmokingJacket]

191. I would be SHOCKED if they weren't being funded by

the right wing -- maybe under a little project aimed at discrediting a)election reform or b)liberal web sites.

Craziness can only take a person so far.

Money can drive a long, long trip into the void.

We may never know, but as a poster pointed out to me on another thread, Weather Underground was packed with agents provocateur. It's a familiar modus operandi.

There's too much weird crap for it to be the same old circular firing squad we're all familiar with.

I call foul.

[benburch]

192. I do believe they have some funding.

But it might be private. What they have done so far does not cost that much money. They seem to have only one or two full-timers on this job. Not out of the range of a book author who might have collected a lot of money around election time, for example.

[SmokingJacket]

194. I, too, would guess it would only be one or two full-timers.

Judging from what I've seen. And a bunch of people with lots of free time and a few screws loose.

[EFerrari]

193. In a strange way, it would be a relief to know that even a twisted

plan was behind this insanity. Because my experience doesn't tell me that.

These are people who are more concerned with the details of my personal life than with the Downing Street Memo, or the Amnesty report or with the Bolton nomination, for example.

I think they're just bored and/or have short term memory problems. Like when they bragged about calling the hospital pretending to be Andy's friends or asked each other to take a screen shot of the first disruptor's post to DU full of disinfo, or sat there and planned to attack a man in surgery.

I find it hard to believe that any political entity would be so inept or leave their misdeeds so open to public scrutiny. But, that's just me.

[SmokingJacket]

195. yeah -- I don't really know, of course...

and you have much more experience with this crowd than I do.

Maybe my faith in humanity is still intact enough to doubt that real, average human beings would go to such lengths to torment a sick man... or any man. Shoot, I'm pretty opinionated, but I couldn't do that kind of stuff to my worst enemy -- not even close.

And while I glance over at FR once in a while, if someone on DU points me there, I just can't imagine getting involved in their inner workings -- I just don't *care* enough. And well... I care a LOT about politics.

If I were, oh, someone like Mr. Rove, someone whose job is to prop up the image of el presidente no matter what, I could see sending $50K or so to some schlump to undermine election fraud online. Why not?

But I defer to you. ;-)

[EFerrari]

196. You may be right. It's just out of my experience.

And frankly, I would have chosen some more ept agents, lol, had I a budget. :)

[benburch]

199. The Swiftliars proved that even incompetent lies...

repeated by incompetent agents often enough get accepted as truth.

[Sydnie]

203. "catapult the propaganda" and all, right?

That IS their sole purpose, disinformation. They are not interested in research or facts or even truthful history ... just propaganda and misery.

What a sorry bunch.

[benburch]

207. They are going to be even sorrier. nt

[The Magistrate]

208. Locking

This has become a flamewar.