All you people who bashed us who didn't like the MJ verdict

[Atman]

Listen to the members of the jury this morning. "I think Micheal Jackson molested boys. He just isn't guilty on the particular charges before us."

All the preaching about the legal system yesterday, and the Fanboys sayings "HE'S INNOCENT! THEREFORE HE'S NOT A CHILD MOLESTER!" That isn't what the jury says. All they found was REASONABLE DOUBT on the specific charges against him. I'm not making this up, I'm repeating what members of the jury are now saying to the press.

So stop the sanctimonious claptrap about "people like me." Jackson is a pervert. If you had tens of millions of dollars at YOUR disposal, I'm sure you could have bought a fine defense team, too. But please don't make the mistake of thinking that an acquittal in this specific case with this specific boy means he is not a child molester. He is simply a child molester who beat the rap.

This time.

[mopaul]

1. agreed, he'll be back

nobody, but nobody tells mikey what to do or not do.

[Name removed]

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[Atman]

5. Sorry. I got hammered yesterday, so I backed off to let it die down

But I never got to make this point. I was called a "racist," I was called un-American, I was told I didn't care about the law. Bullshit. I let it go, out of frustration. At the time, I hadn't even heard these comments fromt he jurors. Now that I have, I'm getting my last word in. Beat the horsey, I agree. But there ARE some legal lesson to be learned here of which more than a few DU'er seem unaware.

[Maddy McCall]

11. That is a disgusting image.

It belongs somewhere like Free Republic, but definitely NOT on DU.

[wakeme2008]

15. LOL the best image I found on this subject

was on that Forum That Will Not Be Named :)

[Bluebear]

3. Well, it was one juror, Raymond Hultman

Is it sanctimonious claptrap to believe that reasonable doubt about THIS case should lead to a not guilty verdict? Remember, not guilty does not mean innocent, it means the state didn't prove the case.

[Atman]

8. Not at all. That is NOT what I am saying.

I am talking to the legions of Fanboys who jumped all over me yesterday for suggesting the Jackson was a pervert/child molester. Their only reason; the acquittal. They swore up and down that it proved he was not a child molester. I am only saying it proved no such thing. It only proved that in THIS CASE, there was reasonable doubt among the jury, and the comments coming from member's of the jury seem to bear this out. That is ALL I am saying.

[Bluebear]

10. Fair enough

I read yesterday (here!) that he should be castrated because they KNOW he is a molester etc etc. And it worried me that progressives didn't believe in the jury system.

The whole thing was a vendetta, you know.





(Kidding, kidding!)

[rodeodance]

12. worries me too

.......And it worried me that progressives didn't believe in the jury system......

[Skwmom]

4. I remember watching an interview of his sister

(LaToya) after the first allegations broke. She said Micheal had been into boys for years but the family and everyone around him covered it up because of the money.

[Bluebear]

7. Yes you remember correctly

"More than a decade ago, when Michael was first involved in a scandal involving sexual molestation allegations, LaToya made comments suggesting she believed he might have done it. But she is now defending her sibling.

LaToya says the same sheltered upbringing that she believes led to her troubles has also contributed to her brother's. "He's been so sheltered from the world that it's to extremes … He is so, I believe, well, I know, disconnected with the outside world, that he doesn't understand how they view him, and it's really sad," she said."

http://abcnews.go.com/2020/MichaelJackson/story?id=428847&page=1

[fasttense]

6. Just like I've always said he is a pedophile but that does not mean

he is guilty.

[sendero]

9. Um yes, really it does..

.... if he is a pedophile it is 99.999% certain he has acted on it.

If he's willing to build one huge multimillion dollar playground, if he's willing to serve the kids he loves so much alcohol, sorry but he did it.

I believe (pretty much :)) in our system of justice and the issue is closed with me. The jury did not feel that the prosecution proved their case, and this wasn't a pure nullification case like it was with OJ.

So that is the end of it. For now. But I believe that MJ is in fact a pedophile and he cannot and will not stop what he is doing. Eventually, he'll frig the wrong kid with an impeccable pedigree and the defense won't be able to throw reasonable doubt because of the parents.

If MJ has both a brain and ability, he'd never hang with kids again. But you watch, he will because he cannot help himself.

[Atman]

13. Don't forget, showing porno to kids

Isn't this like, warning sign #1 or something?

Oh, and the sleeping with boys (especially when you combine that with the above), for christ's sake, how can anyone assume he isn't a pedophile. BUT, don't get me wrong. I am not suggesting this verdict should be overturned. The prosecution failed to make a solid case. What bothers me are the Fanboys who think that is a blanket exoneration of the man.

[elperromagico]

14. Even if Jacko isn't a child molester, he's clearly disturbed.

But who tells Michael Jackson he's fucked up? He's got nobody around him but sycophants... head-nodders.

Jacko wants to hang his baby out of a window? "Oh, that's hilarious, Michael."

Jacko wants to sleep with young boys? "Oh, that's fine, Michael."

What Michael Jackson needs is somebody who'll, to borrow a Southern expression, slap him upside the head and say "What the fuck is wrong with you?!?"

But who's going to do it?

[warrior1]

16. Not that I doubt you

But do you have a link to the quote?

[elperromagico]

17. I'll assume you're talking to the OP. n/t

[Atman]

19. Two live interviews already this morning

On the idiot-box. I doubt there are transcripts yet.

I think #10 made his initial comments yesterday, so that is likely online someplace.

[Rich Hunt]

18. by the same logic...

If you wanted millions and millions of dollars, you could find an easy target who is rich and accuse them of something really awful. Even if they 'got off', there are always the civil suits.

I avoid the Jackson case and all of these other celebrity trials like the plague (can't we have some REAL news), but it just seems that these trials benefit the cable news outlets more than anyone else. I just feel like I'm being manipulated by the media if I take an interest in it. The most 'American' thing you could say is, "well, I wasn't there and I hope justice was served." I wouldn't invest any more energy in it than that.

[mopaul]

20. so you don't see michael as a heroic black man?

or a living god among us? what a weirdo you are atman.

[Atman]

21. A troll called me racist yesterday

A new poster, to boot, less than a dozen posts. Went from thread to thread defending perv-boy. After three or four attempts to label me as hating the jury system or some such bullshit, he switched to the racist meme. My stance was obviously because Jackson is black. Sheesh. I suppose his being a living breathing freak show couldn't have entered into it, eh, fanboys?

[MoonRiver]

24. I've been called a troll, a worse danger to children than MJ,

a pervert, and likened to GWB, all for disagreeing with the jury and the DU MJ fanclub. I no longer feel like this is a place where rational and open discussion can take place. Skinner should remove the word "democratic" from the board's title. That philosophy might have been his original intent, but the reality is far different. I'm almost as disgusted with the actions of people on this board as with the verdict.
:puke:

[OneBlueSky]

22. people commenting on the case should read this analysis . . .

pretty interesting stuff . . . I was interested to learn, for example, that the mother's first inquiries about suing Michael Jackson came three years before either she or her son ever met the guy . . .

http://www.mj-case.net/index2.html

[undergroundpanther]

23. People are triggered by this case

Child molestation is COMMON in this country 1 in 3 girls and 1 in 6 boys molested by people they know and trust morte often than strangers,

[Ravy]

25. Okay. But only if you will quit saying he should have been found

guilty even though there was reasonable doubt in this case.

There was an interesting question by one of the talking heads on TV last night.

How would you have voted if you were a juror on the OPENING DAY OF THE TRIAL?????