Since you all are dying to know-My opinion of the Jackson jurors

[underpants]

Let me start be saying that through Herculean efforts I ignored this story as much as possible (aside from cracking jokes) but yesterday afternoon I got home the the jurors' press conference was starting so I sat down and watched-until the shrieking news hyenas interrupted the LIVE EVENT to tell me what they thought of what I just heard and saw.

First-very diverse group. There was one older woman on the far left who never spoke but I got the sense that the legal teams expected her to drop out and were counting on the alternates (looked to be more likely to vote to convict) to be called up. Bad idea.

Second-very egalitarian. No one person seemed to control or run the group and I would suspect that some sort of cliques developed but it didn't seem to shape the assessment of the evidence. No one wanted to be the first to speak for the group as a whole either, I found that interesting. The foreperson (Mr.Gonzolez -sp?) appeared to have only concerned himself with the administration of the group not in running it. The guy with the white mustache behind him did seem like he wanted to speak up a bit but I got the sense that everyone else wasn't too crazy about anyone taking control.

I also noticed almost shock when a question was asked of one of the alternates (she almost escaped without getting her face on TV). Overall the alternates seemed to be right on board with the rest of them.

Third-Very bad case. Having not followed it I had no idea that this set of supposed molestations occurred AFTER the conspiracy to cover them up started inside the Jackson world AND after the prosecutor started his investigation. That makes no sense what so ever and it makes the amount of coverage even more absurd. It was like getting let in on a secret that everyone there knew but was never reported as it would have ended much of the interest in the case.

Lastly-I think it was juror #10 (the woman chewing gum in the front center) who summed up how stupid the whole thing was from the beginning---answering a question posed to the mothers of the jury she said (~ in effect) "I don't understand, as a mother, how you could let your child continue to go back there and you never ask what is going on nor do you do anything about what you find out is going on". After that two different people said something about the finger snapping and looks from the accuser's mother and of course Dan Abrams interrupted to scream "THEY REALLY HATE THE MOTHER".

The whole thing was ridiculous...more ridiculous that I had thought prior.

He never admitted anything
There was no trace evidence (how could that be?)
No eye witness aside from Jacko and the kid
Untrustworthy accusers and witnesses
A time line that made ZERO sense.

Would I let my kid anywhere near Neverland? Hell NO
Do I think Jacko might be a pedophile? Always err on the side of suspicion (especially with him).
Why WOULD anyone let their child sleep in a grown man's bed for a year? That seems to be the question the jury (and most everyone I talked to about this from the beginning) wanted answered and what threw the case out of contention from the beginning.


Overall they seemed to be a fair, sober, professional juror who followed the rules precisely and fully.

[Ninga]

1. Ditto........now next subject please, let's get Chris Matthews off

the air.

(just thought I would give it a try, don't yell at me)

[Atman]

2. Jeez, don't you have anything more salacious than that?

You'd never make it in Teevee News.

[underpants]

4. Yeah gee sorry I was taught to report on what I had seen

back when I wrote for high school and college newspapers.

Who What When Where How and Why


Just my observations.

[Atman]

7. Me too.

I loved Journalism. Tough to find any nowadays.

[wakeme2008]

11. UP,,, one thing that one of the talking heads pointed out that

really hit home with me was between the so-called 1993 case and now the DA could not find ONE other boy that would say MJ did something to him. That is 10 years and that is not the way of a REAL pedophile.. There was $$$ to be had for any other boy that would have back up this boy.

[underpants]

16. Good point

I missed that because I stopped watching when all the networks had the silent inset of the jurors in one corner and their experts taking up most of the screen and all the audio.

Of course he could have had other families (god that is creepy) on the payroll so to speak so no one came forward. Sort of his own little sex slave thing but seriously with that much money you would think someone would have said something....or in this case offered up their son in order to make money (okay I am creeping myself out here).

[fob]

28. Good summary, thanks.

Why does it always go to a "sex" thing? I know, I know, the kids were claiming sexual escapades, but what if MJ is just so far gone because he never had his childhood to himself that he just feels safest actually sleeping with kids? Maybe he's a touch mental? It is odd for a 40 year old plus or 30 or 20 yo for that matter but MJ has a unique set of circumstances surrounding him as a child star. I don't know what happened and I'm pissed that the judicial system has been battered to such a degree it seems no one trusts ANY result these days.

I just hope that the verdict is correct and no one was molested in any way. I can hope.

[Warpy]

13. I managed to avoid all TV news over the whole circus

but signed on to #courttv last night to hear the full description, and it's been pretty much unavoidable during those half hour station breaks.

If any good comes out of this, it may be that starstruck parents find it a little more difficult to turn the kiddies over to him for sleepovers. If they do, they'll never be able to admit it to anyone. If he is a pedophile (although he's WAY outside the norm), he's going to find pretty slim pickings from now on.

He's also going to know that the parents who DO let their kids stay overnight are likely going to be looking for the next buyoff, pimping their kids in hopes of becoming financially independent on his nickel.

I can't help feeling a bit sorry for him, no matter what he might be. To have that much pathology going on and the money it takes to become a total freak because of it is a terrible curse.

[Debbi801]

3. I agree with you on all counts...

My gut instinct is that he was guilty of at least some of what he was accused of, it not all. At the very least, he is missing an important part of his mental faculties that tells him when he is crossing boundaries that should not be crossed.

But, the family in this case was as suspect as he was. They came off as being unreliable and not to be trusted. And, what mother would let her child sleep over there time and again without asking questions. Especially since he had a publicized history of possible pedophilia. It just didn't make sense.

[preciousdove]

5. America the horrid

Guess this proves it is Ok for a child to be raped because his mother is incompetent. Shows pedophiles and Marine recruiter/kidnappers who to target. Same defense that got Guevera off here even though the 6 year old girl's blood was found on the shower curtain found hidden that had been in his house. Child's body never found. Friend of her father's. She left her house with him (just after her kindergarten "bad touch" class.)

Did the mother in this trial get immunity in return for testifying?

[mopaul]

6. the drunken kid got what was coming to him

little cancerous bastard, and his mother should be burned at the stake. how dare they mess with st. michael?

[underpants]

12. Two words

reasonable doubt

[preciousdove]

27. No doubt that it happened, just doubt as to why...

How many of DU men have slept with nonrelated children in your bedroom alone?

[Dogmudgeon]

14. What???

"...pedophiles and Marine recruiter/kidnappers who to target..."

This makes you sound a whole lot worse than I'm sure you intended. Could you clarify? -- like, who's Guevara?

--p!

[bugslsu9]

8. Hey UP

When did they let you out of the lounge?

[underpants]

10. Day pass

they let me have one from time to time

[wakeme2008]

15. And where is your signature.....

Did they make you leave it in the Lounge :evilgrin:

[underpants]

19. Yeah they had a "sit down" with me

you know how those cliques are in the lounge. They said, "Now if you go out there you need to present yourself in an reasonable adult manner and the straining scrolling underroos don't help. Now if you understand what we are telling you bang the pots together TWICE"

BANG:applause: BANG :applause:

[Dogmudgeon]

9. Suspicion of pedophilia?

I doubt that Jacko is a pedophile at all. I think the man has severe sexual repression and is asexual. Nobody has so much as seen him act out with girlfriends, let alone his wives.

There are people like this, and Michael Jackson is a good candidate for being afflicted with this disorder. He had an horrendous childhood, his parents (ostensibly hyperreligious) pushed him into courtship and sexual behavior at an early age, and he never got to have the typical experiences of childhood. Pedophiles typically aren't pushed into sexual behavior; they have sexual behavior forced on them.

I don't think there is much for a parent to fear from Jackson except that he might start crying on the shoulder of a young child who would not know what was going on. I don't knock people who make it a point to announce that they wouldn't let their kids around Jackson -- he's a strange, sad man. That doesn't mean he's a pedophile, but the strangeness of his character does give a lot of people "the willies".

There's a better chance, IMO, that Jackson would develop a debilitating psychiatric illness than overt pedophilia acting-out.

Sorry if this doesn't mesh well with the outrage many are experiencing. My "take" on Jackson isn't so much exonoration as pity. The guy's a mess, and I think he's doing a good job holding it together. But there's only so much one person can do.

--p!

[mopaul]

17. yeah, poor poor micheal. listen to yourself

god the michael cult is in full swing

[Dogmudgeon]

22. Who I listen to

Yes, I listen to myself.

I also listen to the haters.

I've been hearing the voices of people who think suspicion equals guilt for some years now. It's a GOP staple. Remember Ed Meese? He was Reagan's attorney general. He said, several times, that anyone who has been charged with a crime probably did it "99 out of 100 times".

"Poor Michael" is right. The guy is a wreck, then gets dragged through the legal system a couple times because he's got money and he acts wierd. What excuses do we have, other than not having enough money to attract litigation?

The cult to which I belong is the "If-they-can-do-it-to-Michael-Jackson-then-what-chance-do-I-have?" cult.

--p!

[mopaul]

23. do you have children?

[On the Road]

20. I Tend to Agree

I truly believe that most people who felt Michael was guilty had very limited imagination. They could not conceive of any reason other than pedophilia for sleeping in the same bad with a child. Sex is the first thing that springs mind for suspicious people, but it doesn't seem to be the strongest motivation in MJ's life.

[readmylips]

18. MJ's defense was ruled out on showing....

the master bedroom which is a palace on itself with five different rooms and baths. Judge wanted us to see a bed room like you and I have, small, medium, one bed, etc. and not a palacious suit like MJ's. Also, the judge did not allow into evidence the boy's medical records of his cancer. Apparently, the boy had brain cancer and was cured, per the mother's words and no medical. That woman should be in jail.

[wakeme2008]

21. No medical records... no pictures of MJ bedroom...

Why and what was the DA hiding...

Myself I always wondered about the size of his bed. Maybe I am just crazy but I picture a bed that would make a California King look small..

[readmylips]

24. Apparently, DA was on last leg of his job.....

had lost various large cases and the MJ case was a make it or brake it for him, and that is why he pursued the famous MJ case. DA didn't even take into consideration that the mother of the so called 'cancer' child, had a history of suing companies on fabricated lies.

[wakeme2008]

25. I do not want to start a separate thread but

Did the DA ever think of giving the boy a lie detector test??? Not that he could use it in court, but as a basis for continuing on with the case from the start.....

[underpants]

26. adding to what readmylips posted

a lit detector wouldn't have helped as the family was caught lying on the stand when they sued JC Penney AND the mother was caught in a social services (welfare?) fraud.

Totally uncredible.

[CatWoman]

29. why, oh why

did I click on this thread? :shrug:

[underpants]

31. HA!

ON EIDT "lit edtector" should be "lie detector"

[CatWoman]

33. *snarf*

:D

[underpants]

35. See posts

#10 and #19

[CatWoman]

36. ROFL!!!

Your'e too damn funny!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[Tomee450]

30. Great post

[underpants]

32. Thanks

:hi:

[CatWoman]

34. DON'T ENCOURAGE HIM, TOMEE!!!!

:D