Who thinks Clinton has spent too much time with poppy Bush?

[sabra]

With Barbara calling him her son, and Clinton dropping the ball last night on Letterman.... kind of disappointing.

[MindPilot]

1. Me. eom

eom

[jeff30997]

2. Me too.I don't like hypocrisy.

[KittyWampus]

3. I REALLY Think He Spends Too MuchTime Raising Money For Tsunami

victims.

And all the speechs he does... but who hears about those?

Yeah, let's shit all over Clinton, what other Democrats should we shit on today, Sabra?

Let's just get it over with in one thread?

[sabra]

11. I didn't know I couldn't be critical about his actions?

I respect Clinton. I respect his efforts in the Tsunami relief. I am disappointed with his lack of fight against the * cabal....

[djeseru]

4. *raises hand* n/t

[linazelle]

5. Where's that avatar for raising one's hand. I do! I do! n/t

[Mythsaje]

6. Clinton's

credibility with me fell sharply when he left the Presidency and said that he thought marijuana should be legalized...after doing nothing but supporting the persecution and prosecution of cannabis users throughout his terms.

Clinton is a fine politician, but I'm not sure he's a decent man. He's no Jimmy Carter, that's for sure.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

7. Screw him

Screw Hillary.

They've so sold out, I could puke.

What happened on Letterman? I miss everything, damn it.

[pacalo]

21. Dave was astute enough to ask him about the DSM

& Clinton asked, "What's that?"

After Dave's short primary about it, Clinton did a turnaround & revealed that he knew about it but couldn't talk about it.

Why?

With the idiot we now have in the WH screwing up our country, Clinton was never in a better position of influence, yet he's squandering every opportunity to speak out for us over a feigned friendship with the idiot's father.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

23. Thank you

Yeah, that's about what I've come to expect from the pandering slut he's shown himself to be.

I feel like a dumb girl who actually believed the guy when he said he loved me.

Everything people ever said about the opportunistic Clintons is turning out to be true. I watched "Primary Colors," a movie (and book) that pissed me off mightily when first released, again the other night, and you know what?

I rang true. For the first time.

[pacalo]

28. I think I've had my fill, too.

And I feel just as jilted. I taught myself how to use the computer so that I could send letters defending him during the Ken Starr mess.

The fact that he wants to come off as a centrist when our democracy is at stake irritates the hell out of me.

Forgot to mention that, when asked about his friendship with HW, he told Dave that he "thinks" he's a good friend. He's going to be spending a day & a half with him at Kennebunkport next month, where HW will be taking him out on his boat. And Babs called him "son".

[Kurovski]

41. When you defended him against Starr,

you were defending against a coup in our nation. his stupid personal choices did not reach the level required for impeachment.

And you didn't even have to like him to do that. So ya' done good.

I admit to feeling weary, but Clinton is an ex-president and not in any elected office, he's not really in the fight. But watch me change my mind the next time I catch part of a speech he makes at a fundraiser!

I think Clinton may be in the center of a radical shift in how Americans look at their president. We may be looking for something more immediate and honest, less guarded. It's all the "trappings" and appearances and perceptions that seem to have gotten us into trouble. Bush would be the catalyst if those people who thought he'd be so fun at a barbecue now had second thoughts.

Politicians are never more disappointing when they act like politicians and yet, their is something to be said for acting "presidential". What a conundrum.

I'm sure they say the same of us when we go back and forth on our support for them.

Oh well.

[pacalo]

44. Looking back, & knowing what we do about today's corruption,

it could very well have been a coup against Clinton. Clinton's charisma prevented HW from getting a second term to continue dabbling in Iraq. And the PNAC's letter to President Clinton about getting rid of Saddam didn't produce the action desired by the oil men.

My concern about Clinton's association with HW is that one of our most effective spokesmen & debators is being silenced. I'm also concerned about any backdoor deals being made at our expense.

[suziedemocrat]

8. Me too!

[RaleighNCDUer]

9. I'm still willing to give the guy a break.

How do we know that he didn't get a midnight phone call...

"Does Chelsea like flying?"

What would you do?

[mondo joe]

10. Bill needs the approval of his absent daddy, Bush 1 needs a son

worth carrying on his "legacy" such as it is.

[Cooley Hurd]

35. Interesting theory - you might be onto something.

:)

[Quixote1818]

12. Clinton did fine on Leterman last night. Give they guy a break!

This post did a good job explaining that Clinton actually did pretty good with is DSM answer:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=3880012&mesg_id=3882501

[AX10]

13. I do.

[ProfessorGAC]

14. Keep Your Friends Close and Your Enemies Closer

Vito Corleone. Might be something to that.

The Professor

[Individualist]

17. He who lies down with dogs gets up with fleas.

[OldLeftieLawyer]

24. That wasn't "Vito Corleone"

That was Mario Puzo, who knew a good line when he wrote one, and who laughed all the way to the bank.

[ProfessorGAC]

26. Vito Says It

I know Vito is only a character! But, you do know he's based upon an amalgam of the two big bosses of 40's era mobsters? Could have been something actually said by Lucky Luciano or Carlo Gambino.
The Professor

[OldLeftieLawyer]

33. No, it's based on Mario's imagination

He told me about it. He was a really good friend of my godson's grandfather, Joe Stein, who wrote the book for "Fiddler On The Roof." Mario Puzo taught me a lot about writing for the movies and TV when I was first starting in that area, along with my godson's mother and father.

Mario made it all up. All of it.

The real mobster thugs were never that articulate, believe me, and if you think any of them ever approached the smoothness and pseudogentility as put forth by the Brando portrayal, you're buying into a romanticism of a bunch of vile creatures who never deserved to live.

I grew up with them.

[biscotti]

25. That was exactly

my thought. He is a astute politician.

"Keep Your Friends Close and Your Enemies Closer"

[in_cog_ni_to]

15. I do. n/t

[leftofthedial]

16. $$$$$$$ talks

and "power" walks

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

18. Birds of feather flock together. In this case, moderate Republicans.

[noonwitch]

19. Not me-it's one of those ex-president things

It's down to a small group, now. Ford and Carter have been friends and have teamed up for humanitarian projects in the past.

Why should there be hard feelings between ex-Presidents? When W leaves office (presuming the dems don't retake congress and impeach him), he will join the same group, and also probably be friendly with Clinton. Ex-presidents generally don't run for office again, and probably are interested in having a more peaceful existence than back in the campaign days.

[Kurovski]

42. I hope to see the ex-presidents

visiting George in prison.

I'd love to say George is innocent until proven guilty, and with the DSM we have moved a few steps closer to making that dream come true.

[mtnsnake]

20. I don't like it, but how would it have looked if

he had refused to go with Poppy in that tsunami co-effort of theirs...when asked? Imagine the overall criticism he would've taken then.

It really does bugs me when I see him hanging and sucking up with Poppy, but like someone else said, it's one of those ex-president things.

Besides, we shouldn't make like it's his legacy or something. There's so many more good things about Clinton that far outweigh him and Poppy slipping each other a little tongue now and then. Seeing him with Poppy is unsettling, but it's not going to make me forget about all the real reasons I admire Bill Clinton.

[itcfish1]

22. Old Saying;

Keep your friends close, but keep your enemies even closer.

[AaronforAmerica]

27. hillary

it does help set up hillary with the moderates and improve their image among swing voters...and remember all this work is for a good cause

www.StopJohnBolton.com

[goclark]

29. Sad to say I agree

He should know they will use him !

Poppy was totally behind all the problems that he had, why should he trust that fool.

[dbt]

30. I do, and it BOTHERS me.

WHY is Clinton cuddling up to the very Nest Of Snakes that tried so hard to destroy him AND Hillary?

[barbaraann]

31. I now believe he's one of THEM.

Hillary, too.

[earth mom]

32. The Clintons are Sellouts.

I've been saying it for months around here...which has no doubt pissed some people off. But I am so SICK and TIRED of being lied to by these bastards!

Actions speak louder than words.

[FreedomAngel82]

34. It is

I wonder what's up. :shrug: *sigh* Sad to see especially with all the shit going on now days. :cry:

[cry baby]

36. *hand up in the air* me, me, I do.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

37. I can't be disappointed. He has done nothing all along

to speak out against the lies and distortions that spew out of this sociopathic administration. Our nation is in peril and he plays footsies with the "Corleones".

[Media_Lies_Daily]

38. Let's take another opportunity to bash Democrats, especially the last....

...sitting president from the Democratic Party.

What a great idea. Just wonderful. Who can we go after next?

Yeah! Let's go after Hillary, too!

What a bunch of crap.

[DemBeans]

39. it's a tough one...

I didn't have a huge problem with him joining the older Bush criminal for tsunami aid - they did, after all, raise a lot of money for a very good cause (and I hope it isn't all being shoveled at wealthy Bush friends to "rebuild" the affected areas).

I can understand his reluctance to become the story last night when asked about the DSM, but I was outraged when he did his "what's done is done and we're where we are" schtick to dismiss the crimes that led up to this war. There's a difference between not wanting to become the story and DEFENDING and DISMISSING criminal acts.

His frothing at the mouth over the older Bush criminal was also nauseating - Bush Sr. is a "good man" and how they're going to be golfing and boating next month together in Maine. Can the people left unemployed by this incompetent administration go golfing and boating? Can our soldiers in Iraq go golfing and boating? Clinton is sounding as out of touch as the rest of the Bush losers.

[peacebuzzard]

40. Give him a break! He's had heart surgery! Or do u not give a damn ?

And I know recuperation stages can be fast, but he is looking thin and drawn if you ask me. I guess I would too if my chest had been "sawed open and my heart flopped out" while a major operation took place. It doesn't get more serious than that. I think you are supposed to be good to yourself after that and not take on extra stress in your life. Clinton has endured more than most, and while still controversial and revered, he is human ....he has served us well and held up fabulously, darling. I for one am grateful for his many contributions. And while it is personally sickening for me to see any of the Reich wing Bushies......Clinton, in his position as an ex Pres, and can't exactly escape the representative position and its demands and responsibilities. He has been our only decent President of recent history. Lighten up.

[Disturbed]

43. Bill and Hillary are Moderate Republicans.

They have always been such and are opportunists. It's one thing to do the Tsunami fund raising but another to constantly hang out with people that are criminals who have and are still subverting Amerika. No, I won't give Mr. Bill a break about this. Most Dems revere him and are appalled by any criticism of him but in my view he and his wife are only out for themselves and do not give a damn about non-elite Americans. They are huksters of the top order.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

Put me in the "don't give a damn" section.

[earth mom]

47. Didn't Dave Letterman have the same kind of surgery?

IMO, he speaks out far more about the BFEE than Clinton does.

If is obvious that Clinton does NOT give a shit about what * & Co are doing, thus for all intents and purposes, he agrees with and supports their sociopathic actions. :grr:

[graywarrior]

45. That pic of Clinton & Poppy keep appearing when I open my email

and I am SICK OF LOOKING AT IT!

And, I'm sick of Billy Boy too.

[barb162]

46. he's spending WAY too much time with those cruds

[Rhiannon12866]

48. Me.

I've been gagging since their mutual admiration society meeting at the dedication of the Clinton Library. I wanted to lob something at the TV set. However, I still like and respect Bill Clinton. He's a brilliant man and I love to listen to him speak. Unlike the squatter-in-chief, he articulates everything so well that it's clear as glass.:-)

[journalist3072]

49. How did he drop the ball on Letterman show?

I see absolutely no evidence of him doing that! If you mean why wasn't he more critical of the Bush crime family--well, I think Clinton just looks for the best in everyone, and he's always saying we should come together with what unites not, not let things divide us.

[Geek_Girl]

50. I'd rather see him take a stronger stand

But maybe he's thinking
"Keep your friends close but your enemies closer"

:shrug:

[Vadem]

51. Yessssss! What is he thinking!?????? I'm sick at heart of it....

What in the hell does he thing he has in common with those criminals????? He is ruining his legacy by associating with those crooks!!!! He seems so eager to kiss ass to those f*******, that I wonder that if it isn't because of his childhood, i.e., losing his father in an auto accident before he was even born! Self esteem has to come into his life. Any comments???