Clark converts Dean supporters in NH

[MIMStigator]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A10547-2003Sep27.html

[Closer]

1. Just wait until people

keep finding out more about the general.

Eventually, that suit and 4 stars won't matter. Being a Democrat will. And a Democrat, he is NOT.

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[Fixated]

6. ......

Heh heh heh. Word.

[Blue_Chill]

7. He's not a democrat!!!!!!!!

I can just see you screaming that in a padded cell while thumping your head against the wall after Clark wins his turn in the white house.

lol.

[Renew Deal]

12. lol

Closer needs to read the whole article.

:freak:

[Kahuna]

29. You all keep throwing crap but it apparently isn't hurting him.

When will you get it? People who REALLY want to get rid of bush sees Clark as the man to do it. Nothing negative in Clark's past can rival what bushco has done.

This really isn't about Clark vs. the dem candidates as it's shaping up. It seems to be more about Clark vs. bush.

[thebigidea]

35. and you wonder why people are throwing crap?

posts like this.

Talk about arrogant: claiming that those who support other candidates don't REALLY want to get rid of Bush...

"It seems to be more about Clark vs. bush."

yeah, lets forget that whole primary thing and get it over with - let the Glorious Ascension of Clark begin!

[Kahuna]

37. You missed the entire point of my post...

I'm not going to bother trying to explain it to you. What difference would it make? None.

[Bread and Circus]

3. Good article....

Boy, if you hang around DU long enough, you can
start to go crazy. Finally, people are starting to
"get it". Clark also topped the field in the latest
Newsweek National Poll (sep 25-26).

Once Clark has a full range of crisp policy plans to
articulate, he will be even more formidable.

I am glad the voters of New Hampshire seem open minded.

(By the way, I just went to the White Mountains in
New Hampshire, they are amazing. And if anyone ever
goes to Littleton, NH they have to eat the the Grand
Cafe, which is an amazing French Restaurant in a small
old train station. For a small town, it is awesome
food. Being a "foodie", I was pretty impressed).

Anyway, thanks for the link, it puts a smile on my
face.

[MoonRiver]

4. That article really cuts to the chase. Clark is electable, and just as

liberal and anti-Iraqi war as Dean. NH Dems need a little more time to sort out what this new, yet awesome, candidate is all about, but it seems clear that Clark will be the Dem nominee. And, I thank whatever powers that be for it. :grouphug:

[MIMStigator]

5. He's as democratic as Dean

neither one is pure, but you'd never know that from some.
One can win for sure.

[Jim Sagle]

8. This thread ain't nuthin' but DLC shit and neither is Clark.

[Renew Deal]

13. You like that line.

We've heard it before. It was dumb in the past, nothing changed. BTW, proof?

[MoonRiver]

16. I wonder what makes so many weirdos afraid of Clark?

Gee, must be his powers to persuade and WIN. It seems some "dems" don't cotton to the idea of taking back our government from the forces of rightwing fascism. :wtf:

[eileen_d]

14. I found a thread that is shittier

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=13602

I'm not sold on Clark but garbage like the above puts me in attack mode.

[MoonRiver]

20. I am totally convinced now that many of these Clark bashers are GOP

plants (as in lacking central nervous systems and brains). There's no other way to explain what's happening on this board, aside from total madness. And I know that's not the case. Just look at the latest Saturday Night Poll, where Clark is winning by a landslide among DUers!

[Julien Sorel]

23. There's a couple of them I have zero doubt about.

Brand new to the board, and the only thing they do is attack Clark, and support attacks on Clark.

[thebigidea]

36. personally, I believe they are controlled by the Bavarian Illuminati

[Capn Sunshine]

9. Hey. For what its worth

If you cut into Deans support, you might make it to double digits in New Hampshire, huh?

[Julien Sorel]

11. 10% isn't double digits?

Since when?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

15. New Hampshire doesn't matter.

Newsweek does.


Forget about Iowa, Arizona, Delaware, Missouri, New Mexico, South Carolina, Virginia, Michigan, Washington, Maine, D.C., Virginia and Tennesssee.


Just remember Newsweek.

[ronzo]

10. Nice.

Thanks for the link!

[MGKrebs]

17. This would concern me (as a Dean supporter), but I think

they are using the word "supporter" pretty liberally. How can someone who was "leaning" towards Dean (wouldn't that by definition be undecided?) be considered a "supporter?

When I first saw this, it made me think that Dean's support may be weak if they are ready to jump ship so easily. But that is completely opposite of everything I have seen with Dean supporters. Very committed, many first time political volunteers, no issues with electability.

In general, I don't see Dean supporters in this just for some principle (i.e, support civil unions but know we're not going to win). We are in it because the policies are right, and we think Dean can win. No reason to jump ship just because there is a new candidate who we don't know as much about as the guy we already have.

[eileen_d]

21. Yeah, I think the headline does overstate it

I don't think Clark has caused any mass conversion - the article reflects open-mindedness toward Clark more than anything. (Imagine that - having an open mind to a new Democratic candidate! But I digress...)

So IMO the headline is misleading. Clark is getting consideration, yes, but there's no tide turning this early.

[depakid]

30. Of course it's misleading- it's the Washington Post

they've become increasingly bad about this sort of thing, not only in headlines but in the actual copy, ever since Katherine Graham (the former editor) left. It's kind of sad, really. The Post used to be a first class paper.

[retyred]

24. Donating money would be a supporter, no?

Peter Lehmen and his wife, Theresa, of Keene, N.H., attended Clark's town hall meeting late Friday. Lehmen has given money to Dean and credits the scrappy Vermonter with having the courage to take on Bush and start a dialogue among the Democrats that has shaped both the tone and the substance of the debate. "He was talking about things that other people were afraid to talk about," Lehmen said.

Lately, however, both Lehmens have begun to question whether Dean is the best Democrat to beat Bush. Peter said he finds Dean inconsistent in some of his views. Theresa said Dean is "coming across as a little more abrasive" and appears to let his ego get in his way. Clark, she said, impressed her as someone who could successfully negotiate with foreign leaders. "He certainly presented himself in a very diplomatic but forceful way that I would call presidential," she said.




CLARK FOR PRESIDENT
"I'm going to give them the TRUTH and they'll THINK it's hell."
Retyred IN FLA.

[DemBones DemBones]

28. But the headline says "Some Dean Supporters" and the article

gave some examples of people who had been supporting Dean but now like Clark. I agree that those who are strongly committed to Dean aren't likely to change and the article mentions that as well.

Here are quotes I'm referring to:

Peter Lehmen and his wife, Theresa, of Keene, N.H., attended Clark's town hall meeting late Friday. Lehmen has given money to Dean and credits the scrappy Vermonter with having the courage to take on Bush and start a dialogue among the Democrats that has shaped both the tone and the substance of the debate. "He was talking about things that other people were afraid to talk about," Lehmen said.

Lately, however, both Lehmens have begun to question whether Dean is the best Democrat to beat Bush. Peter said he finds Dean inconsistent in some of his views. Theresa said Dean is "coming across as a little more abrasive" and appears to let his ego get in his way. Clark, she said, impressed her as someone who could successfully negotiate with foreign leaders. "He certainly presented himself in a very diplomatic but forceful way that I would call presidential," she said.

Some Democrats said Clark will have trouble peeling committed activists away from Dean, but among those less committed, Clark is making inroads.

Lesley Gaita of Melrose, Mass., joined a big group of New England veterans of the Draft Clark movement in Dover today at a rally for Clark. Asked to compare Dean and Clark, she said, "Clark puts a positive spin on things. Dean is very forceful, he's very dramatic and I agree with what he says. But sometimes he's trying to find a negative too much. I think this gentleman thinks more intently than Dean does. Dean tends to shoot from the hip a bit much."

[retyred]

18. Thanks for the post!!!!!!

I needed that! It made me grin!!!!!


CLARK FOR PRESIDENT
"I'm going to give them the TRUTH and they'll THINK it's hell."
Retyred IN FLA.

[Dagaz]

19. Clark could be in either party

This looks liek what I see in the CA recall; The right wing hates Arnold because he's not one of them but Demov=crats hate him for teh same reason. IT would be interesting to see how Clark would poll in the Republican primary if W wasn't the incumbant (so he'll easily win). He'd be the McCain maverick but now he's the Democrat mavrick so now the hard core left hates him insted of the hard core right. Nowadays the parties are so aligned that moderate is a dirty word.

[MIMStigator]

22. Only if Clinton or Dean could n/t

n/t

[MoonRiver]

25. Your speculation is illogical to me.

Clark has declared himself a Democrat, and all his policy positions support that stance. He is NOT a Repuke, all spinning aside.

[Donna Zen]

26. While I believe

that some of this is going on; I really believe that the Washington Post is shit stirring with this article.

Sorry_I just am very careful with anything coming from that toadie rag. Bad track record. They're still cheering mission accomplished.

[Renew Deal]

31. Post is no friend of Clarks lately.

I know how you feel. All I can tell you from my experiences is that meeting Clark is very powerfull. People are always impressed.

[Donna Zen]

32. Tin foil

This is not a message of party unity. Again: S. S. W. P. (shit stirring washington post)

I'm sure they met many people who said they loved....(fill in the blank). That is not to say that NH is not a fluid situation, it is.

Yes, even Carville points out the WaPo hard lean to the right.

[maxanne]

27. hee hee hee

a number of those "new NH supporters" appear to be from Massachusetts.

I guess to important urban papers, all New England states look alike.

:eyes:

[CMT]

33. two new polls taken after Clark came in

indicate that Dean still leads by double-digits in New Hampshire. It will be a vigorous campaign and lots of ups and downs. If this is true it appears the odd man out will be John Kerry who may be in risk of losing second place if Clark continues to gain support.

[Kahuna]

34. But Dean is trending down and Clark is trending up, right?

And Kerry is flatlining. This is not good news for Dean.