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LS_Webmaster Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 09:32 PM
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Why no national publicity for assault against Narragansett Indians?
I am surprised that this story hasn't hit national headlines. What the RI state police did to these native americans is absolutely BS. The only articles I really know of that talk about are in the local news outlet sites. One site includes http://www.turnto10.com/news/2329996/detail.html
although I don't like how the report puts the State Troopers in a more favorable light than they should be in.

You want proof of the brutality of the acts, check out the video at the link above. Or you could just look at one of the pictures at the above site where the attack dog is still being allowed to nip at the shoulders of an indian squashed on the ground already in handcuffs. Not only did they toss women and children to the ground on their way in, but they did not show any proof of a search warrent or any papers of any kind. They just walked in as a wall of cops and started pushing people around.

I am not going to go into details as to why the state police went in there in the first place, you can go to the above site for that or I already posted a background earlier today here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=41431&mesg_id=41431&page=5

In any event, I am truly surprised this hasn't hit national news outlets. I turn on the tv and all I see is the WMD talk still going on (which they should continue to talk about anyway). But I would think they would have time to stop and talk about something else for a bit. I dont know, I guess I am a little pissed that it looks like the Narragansett Indians are gonna get screwed on this one.
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FlashHarry Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 09:33 PM
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1. It was one of Olbermann's top five stories today. N/T
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LS_Webmaster Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 09:35 PM
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2. hmmm, i must have missed it.
But I surfed back and forth between the major networks all afternoon and saw nothing.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 09:35 PM
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3. Plus Press and Buchanan
played some tape of it and both reacted strongly against it.

Probably be in the news tomorrow. (hope so) Today, the media had a full plate with the 16 words.
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LS_Webmaster Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 09:37 PM
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4. yeah, the 16 words was all i saw when flipping back and forth.
but you are probably right, more will probably show up tomorrow.
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FreedomReload Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jul-14-03 10:00 PM
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6. I don't like the word assault being used in this situation.
Considering the fact that the Indians fought the police and I didn't see any of the cops beating on the Indians once they were pinned to the ground. Try fighting a cop without a camera around.
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LS_Webmaster Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 06:42 AM
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8. I suggest you rewatch the tape
Sure a few of the Indians resisted arrest, most notably the guy up on the doorstep who was pushing a cop away by the neck. For those actions, i can see the treatment he was given. But the violence didnt start until the cops started throwing people around. They formed a human wall and just knocked over anyone in their way, whether they were doing anything or not. Besides that, they didn't show any form of paperwork showing that they had a search warrant or anything, they just came barging into the place. Then, if you watch the tapes, or even view some of the stills, you can see at least one narragansett who was being held on the ground IN HANDCUFFS while the attack dog was allowed to nip at his shoulders. Now, last time i knew, once the suspect is in custody, you can't use such force. Besides all that, the fact of the matter is that the cops still didn't have jurisdiction to be there in the first place. The narragansetts were given federal sovereignty back in 94 i believe. In a way, the state police declared war on the narragansetts and they should be ashamed.

trust me, I am not one of those people who immediately blames the cops when something questionable goes down. However, it is hard not to look at this situation in such a way. There are numerous ways they could have handled the situation better. For one, instead of barging in there and throwing people around they could have calmly walked in and shown the warrant to the chief. It is all to evident to me that the cops went in there with a confrontation in their minds and it is all too obvious on the tapes.

This is still one pissed off Rhode Islander, signing off

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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 07:04 AM
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9. I am speechless...
I am an American Indian historian, and I have read about a lot of injustice directed toward Indians, but this makes me heartsick.

I am truly speechless. It reminds me so much of the violence during the sixties AFrican American Civil Rights Movement. Oh god, I am sick. I thought we were above this. Civilization my ass.
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ward919 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 08:12 AM
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14. I can't eve cry anymore.
When will the Creator wipe out humankind? Will the white man ever pay for his sins against nature and mankind?
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 07:06 AM
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10. No jurisdiction
Edited on Tue Jul-15-03 07:25 AM by Loonman
RI State and Federal law enforcement has no jurisdiction on that land. Too bad the violence had to occur, people were hotheaded. They weren't allowed to buld a casino(maybe because they could not pay the bribes necessary), which is odd seeing how RI is the most governmentally corrupt state in the Union.

They just wanted to be self-sufficient and have enough money to get by, but the government prefers to keep non-commercially viable tribes on government handouts - make it easier to keep them in their place.

I don't think the cops should have been assaulted, but frustration often explodes into violence.
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LS_Webmaster Donating Member (505 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 07:57 AM
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12. Damn straight they are corrupt
they said during the last elections that they were cleaning house and getting rid of the corruptness. BS!!! It is always more of the same shit in my opinion. It is true too, RI is the most corrupt state of the union. I have seen more crap go down here in my lifetime than I care to remember.

And you are exactly correct. The reason the casino keeps getting rejected is the state won't get the kickbacks that they want. They constantly say that they are vehemently opposed to a casino in RI but I bet if plans for a state run casino came up they would be all for it. It truly is a shame that they are taking advantage of these people.
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qb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 07:23 AM
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11. Because Indians are all but invisible in popular American culture
and the government and media are complicit in keeping it that way. Acknowledging them might bring up inconvenient issues like genocide, oppression, broken treaties, and mismanagement of the BIA.
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Quahog Donating Member (704 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 08:02 AM
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13. The view from RI
Some details that should be made clear (most of which were in the story that accompanied the video, BTW):

The Narragansett tribe's agreement with the state of RI, reached in 1978, did not exempt tribal lands from state civil and criminal laws. That's why there's no casino on Narragansett land (never mind that there's a Jai Alai facility in Newport with slot machines, we won't even go there). The selling of tobacco products without collecting state tobacco and sales taxes is illegal everywhere else in RI, so it's also illegal on the Narragansett tribal lands. This is the legal reality of the agreement that the tribe signed with the state.

The video did not show the plainclothes officers who served the warrant inside the shop before the uniformed officers moved in. Two officers were inside the shop, and told the staff there that they had to close their doors and discontinue doing business. The guys in the shop told them they had no intention of following the instructions of the warrant, and that's when the uniformed troopers moved in.

Now, I think this whole thing is pretty stupid. I think they should be allowed to have their damb casino. Bazillions of dollars of Rhode Islanders' hard earned money is being poured into Foxwoods in CT every year, why not keep it in the state? Why not let the Narragansetts raise their standard of living the way other tribes in the area have been able to do? The 1978 agreement should be abandoned, and a new one written allowing the casino to be built and the state to take a percentage. What are they worried about, that ORGANIZED CRIME might come into the state?!?!? (A little inside joke for residents of RI, where there's arguably more mafia activity than just about anywhere else in the country... couldn't get much worse).

Having said that, the tribe has handled this thing poorly. They basically dared the state to shut them down. When state troopers present you with a warrant and you tell them to fuck off, all bets are off. I'm not suggesting that the troopers handled this well either. I wasn't there, so I can't say who got violent first (although putting a state trooper in a choke hold is NEVER a good idea, no matter who started it). It's a shame that the confrontation got ugly, but get real folks, if this had been a bunch of Italian guys or Irish guys or Portuguese guys or African American guys or plain old American redneck guys, it would have gone down exactly the same. It's the same action troopers take when they have a search warrant for a home, and the guy in the house tells them to get off his porch. Well, they are going in. The warrant allows them to do that, and if they have to push their way in, the warrant allows them to do that too. It's a shame that they had to push their way into the smoke shop, but that call was made by the guys working in the shop when they refused the warrant. They could have chosen to fight their battle in court, but they chose to fight it with physical confrontation there on the spot. That is a bad decision.

I agree that the 1978 agreement is unfair to a group of Native Americans. It should be rewritten, and made more fair. But the action at the smoke shop had absolutely nothing to do with ethnicity, and everything to do with deliberate and confrontational defiance of a state law, coming on the heels of a warning directly from the governor not to open the shop. Again, what would anyone expect the state to do? What happens to the rule of law when the state ignores lawbreakers just because they are members of a minority group? The state law may be oppressive to that group, but the solution to that is changing the state law, not telling the state to piss off and committing the crime anyway.
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Loonman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 02:42 PM
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17. Kinda like
Signing a treaty and then ignoring it?

The irony is not lost on me.
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Freddie Stubbs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 08:28 AM
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15. Drudge has an article about it on his page
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Maddy McCall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jul-15-03 02:24 PM
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16. kick
:kick: for the Nargansetts!
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