Regarding Intelligent Design conjecture

[The Night Owl]

For those politicians who think that presenting nonscience as science isn't dangerous...

One can only wonder how many people would have suffered or died had Jonas Salk wasted time exploring supernatural explanations for Polio.

[endarkenment]

1. Or just go look at South Africa

where the ANC leadership got confused by pseudo science and basically wandered off into the wilderness for years until a few too-close-to-home deaths within the leadership shocked them to their senses.

[formerrepuke]

2. Polio is a virus which, according to ID, must also have been designed;

therefore, who are we to eradicate part of God's design? ...ID arguments have no legs and never will.

[K-W]

4. And what kind of designer would make tiny death machines. EOM

[endarkenment]

9. actually as far as I know

ID does not claim that everything is designed (or they fall into your logic trap) they claim that just some things are so complex that those bits and pieces (and perhaps only those) must have been designed by valdunk the space alien. They don't deny evolution exists, they just, sneakily and quite dishonestly, try to claim that there are bits and pieces of the vast cornicopia of life that A Higher Being (not to be confused with god) had a hand in.

[DaveJ]

3. Cons want to dismantle education entirely

What if ID isn't just a way to push creationism, but a first step on the part of Cons toward eliminating public education. Seriously, ID is not education in the sense of providing factual evidence, rather it un-educates.

Once school is a place to un-educate there will be no use for school at all.

[opihimoimoi]

5. Evolution has mountains of EVIDENCE, ID has NONE

Enough said.

[Modem Butterfly]

6. Remember, viruses and germs are just a theory

As is gravity and plate tectonics...

[The Night Owl]

10. And much is not understood about weather on Earth...

And much is not understood about weather on Earth, so I guess the ID proponents will want to start looking for supernatural explanations for weather changes.

[EST]

7. Obviously, millions.

That was, after all, the approach that had been followed since the dawn of pre history, with absolutely zero rigorous, accurately documented successes, absent mere story telling.
The ability to ignore reality, while slavishly embracing the not real, leads one to wonder how in the world human beings, in the fittest survival game, managed to survive at all, without some special protector.

[me b zola]

8. Dean on ID, FTN 8/14/05

Dr. DEAN: The president has been anti-science for a long time. This is the most anti-scientific
regime that I've seen in America in my lifetime. I'm a trained physician, as you're
aware. I'm insulted by that. It's going to harm America. What serious business is going to
invest in America if a scientific education is influenced by politics? Science ought to be taught
as science. If you want to teach religion, that's a separate debate. But science should be taught
as science.

~snip~

Science is science. There's no factual evidence for intelligent design. There's an enormous
amount of factual evidence for evolution. Those are the facts. If you don't like the facts, then
you can fight against them. The Catholic Church fought against Galileo for a great many,
many centuries. But it never pays to ignore the facts. Reason we're in trouble in Iraq right
now, president didn't care what the facts were. Reason we have a $7 trillion, almost $8 trillion
national debt, president didn't care what the facts were. The facts matter. The truth is, you
can't run a business, a state, a country or a family if you don't care what the facts are.

~snip~

http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/face_81405.pdf


I agree with you, and it looks like Dr. Dean agrees with you. Hopefully he can steer other Dems into making a strong stand against religion in our science classrooms.