W's Skull & Bones brother to oversee leak investigation?????

[grasswire]

Look at this from the LATimes, and burn this guy's name into your brain.


But in addition to Ashcroft, among the political appointees who may help decide the fate of the case is the department's new second-in-command, acting deputy Robert McCallum. He is an old friend and Yale classmate of the president's; both were members of the secret Skull & Bones Society at Yale.

McCallum replaced Larry Thompson, a respected former independent counsel who investigated alleged improprieties by officials at the Department of Housing and Urban Development during the Reagan administration. Thompson recently left the department.

Nonetheless, some legal experts said they were comfortable with the decision to keep the case in-house, so long as the attorney general and his team keep their distance.

"I believe that the career lawyers in Justice — the people who preceded John Aschroft and who will be there after he leaves — will do a nonpolitical investigation, an honest investigation," said Stephen Gillers, a legal ethics specialist at New York University Law School. "Ashcroft's sole job is to stay out of it."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-leak2oct02,1,5400691.story?coll=la-headlines-nation

Ashcroft's job is to stay out of it??? Does that mean the case falls to Skull & Boner McCallum?

[grasswire]

1. hey!

this is important stuff

[sangh0]

2. What's important?

That this guy is Bush*'s buddy, or that he is SnB?

[grasswire]

3. gee, both!

Don't you think?

[sangh0]

4. No.

and neither do you.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

5. I love these 2 person threads..so edifying

oops! Nevermind the 3rd party here..please continue!

[grasswire]

7. wow

The justice department official who will oversee the investigation into the White House is the blood-sworn crony-brother of POTUS, and it's not important?

It's a scandal in itself.

I must be on the wrong message board.

[TLM]

14. They have to claim that S&B means nothing...

because KErry is also a Skull & Bones member.


Funny how when there is an investigation of the Bush clan, it seems to fall to their frat brothers.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

20. strange how this "secret" evil society

is so well known that it gets published in the LA Times story.
The fact is this guy is a close Bush buddy. Kerry is not, nor could he even remotely be considered a "Bush buddy".

[KC21304]

36. I don't know if you are on the wrong message board,

but evidently you did not read your own link. Does it say that MC Callum would oversee the investigation ? Does it even say that he will oversee it if Ashcroft steps down, as you say in your original post ? I don't think so. It gives you the name of the man who will oversee the investigation, and it is neither Ashcroft nor Mc Callum.

I suppose you could investigate and see if he is S&B and then we would know if we should prejudge him too.

[cosmicdot]

6. guess it's not just another 'frat' afterall

I didn't realize Larry Thompson was a 'respected former independent counsel' -- they tend to leap praise and awards on their own -- I mean, if it's on the resume, it must be true, yes? -- having come from the Enron-supporting good ol'boy networked law firm of King & Spaulding

http://web.archive.org/web/20020204080910/http://www.geocities.com/alanjpakula/triplecrown.html

bases are loaded; bases are covered

http://web.archive.org/web/20020204080910/http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/8425/BONES.HTM
http://web.archive.org/web/20020204080910/http://ctrl.org/boodleboys/
http://web.archive.org/web/20011129063449/salon.com/books/it/2000/01/21/bones/index.html

I'm expecting lots of "ignored" posts ... some people can read the book, see the movie ... it has to happen directly to them ... perhaps even a lot ... in order for reality to tap them on the shoulder.

[KC21304]

9. "but even if there may be an occasional error " LOL

Taken from disclaimer.

[Dude_CalmDown]

8. Well I find that to be pretty damn significant.

Even if you don't know much about S&B, that has to be significant. Even if they were just regular old frat buddies, that is still pretty damn significant. Secret societies have secrets because they have something to hide.

[grasswire]

10. sounds to me...

.....like the fix is in.

[sangh0]

11. Not true

Secret societies pretend that they have secrets so that others can imagine how important the secret society is.

Plenty of fraternities have secrets. The only difference between them and SnB is that SnB is:

1) From Yale, one of the leading schools in the country
2) They're very selective about who the allow as members, by restricting membership to those who either demonstrate leadership in some field, or are related to someone who has demonstrated leadership in some field.

Those differences explain why there are so many SnB'ers in business nad govt, and why SnB has NEVER been involved in any crimes aside from some childish frat pranks

[grasswire]

12. why do you defend the boners?

Look, I revere Yale. My favorite ancestor was class of 1748.

But I'm NOT going to say that S&Boners haven't been involved in crimes, considering the history of the Russell and Bush families and their cronies!!

Geez.

[TLM]

15. Because Kerry is also Skull & Bones.

[KC21304]

17. If your favorite ancestor had done bad things, would all of his

ancestors be suspect because of it ?

[zonmoy]

33. if

that ancestor supported the nazis then I would always wonder if their decendents arent the same. also isnt it biblical to visit the sins of the father on to their sons for seven generations.

[KC21304]

37. I guess there are some fundies who believe that

but I didn't think there were many here.

As for the ancestor thing, you may spend a lot of your future wondering then unless you are going to do a geneology search on a lot of people.

[sangh0]

25. Defend SnB? Moi?

How is calling them "frat-boys" a defense?

And why don't you name ONE CRIME that SnB (not a SnBer, but SnB) has been involved in? Name ONE CRIME that a SnBer committed while attending Yale.

[grasswire]

30. total obfuscation

"And why don't you name ONE CRIME that SnB (not a SnBer, but SnB) has been involved in? Name ONE CRIME that a SnBer committed while attending Yale."

Totally laughable defense. Totally.

Well, there is one known crime, but it's insignificant and has NOTHING TO DO WITH THE CONFLICT OF INTEREST OF ROBERT MCCALLUM, which should make any American cringe.

It appears that if people like Robert Hanssen or even Richard Nixon were boners, we shouldn't worry about their anti-Americanism.

[Dude_CalmDown]

22. Was Chimpy chosen for his leadership?

Maybe it was his obvious brilliance that made him so appealing.

Trust me I know that a lot of these little groups have secrecy as their biggest and only selling point. But there is a serious misrepresentation of "boners" in very high places of power in this country - and it's not because of their brilliance. It's because they seriously hook each other up. I don't buy a lot of what I hear about S&B but there are enough facts to know that they are not just any group of kids pulling pranks and helping each other out. And like I said in my previous post, even if they are just regular old frat buddies it is still pretty damn significant.

[sangh0]

27. So what?

Yes, it's significant, but do these SnBers get into "high places" because they are SnB, or are the invited to join SnB because they're the types who are likely to get into "high places" at some point in the future?

Did W become Gov and pResident because he was a SnBer, or did SnB invite him in because, as the son of a politician, he was likely to get into a "high place" at some point in the future?

[chadm]

35. At the very least..

they share the same agenda.

[maggrwaggr]

13. I heap praise upon you, grasswire. No joke, this is a good find

Very important stuff. Maybe we're all experiencing "scandal exhaustion"

It just gets worse and worse. Turn over one rock, there's another rock. The bugs are down there somewhere, and there's a lot of them.

[greatauntoftriplets]

16. Don't you mean the whitewash?

Please let me be semantically pure.

[grasswire]

19. OIC

I hadn't realized that Kerry fans would set aside all righteousness and integrity regarding the implications of treason in the White House in order to protect their man from criticism for being a boner.

That's disgusting.

[KC21304]

31. I hadn't realized that Kerry haters would use righteousness

and integrity regarding the implications of treason in the White House to smear another Democrat by insinuating that just because someone was in the same fraternity as Bush nearly 40 yrs ago he could not be trusted. That indeed is disgusting.

If you have reason to believe that Mc Callum is not to be trusted I have no problem with that, but if the reason is only because he was
S&B, then I would call that pre-judging, as in prejudice.

[grasswire]

32. I wasn't a Kerry hater before...

...but maybe I should be, considering the weird machinations and apparently anti-democratic impulses of his supporters as evidenced in this matter.

I'll be thinking about that.

[KC21304]

38. You are the one who said we were disgusting and had set aside

our integrity. Just because we won't dismiss someone because of the fraternity they belonged to.

And I know I have never said one bad word about your candidate, whoever it is because I have not said one bad word about any candidate but Bush.

[ComerPerro]

18. It never ends

"conflict of interest" has no meaning to these people, does it?

[tom_paine]

21. No, no meaning to the Imperial Family

Isn't it clear yet they are immune from Rule of Law since before the Bloodless Coup of 2000 and now DOUBLY SO?

[Minstrel Boy]

23. This is significant, whatever you think of S&B.

I'm not conspiratorial about Skull & Bones. I think it's little more than an animal house for the scions of privilege. But I'm not alright about the fate of this case being decided by Bush's old friend and frat-mate.

[grasswire]

24. my point exactly

It would be nearly as bad if McCallum were a Deke member when George was president of that fraternity at Yale.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

26. Let's get John Forbes Kerry to investigate!

<ducks>

[LizW]

34. snort

I got that.:evilgrin:

You naughty.

[nolabels]

28. I wish some people would wake up

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=445076

[sangh0]

29. self-referential

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