The beating that Bill Clinton takes on this forum is absolutely PATHETIC

[mtnsnake]

IMHO.

I'm not talkiing about people giving some fair criticism here and there. It's all the other ones, the many many extreme ones, who are moe vicious than many of the most vocal anti-Clinton repukes when it comes to discussing Bill Clinton.

Many of the adjectives & nouns often used to describe him here are downright nasty and WRONG.

Don't you recall what a HERO he was when he rescued us from suffering through another term with the FIRST fucking Bush?

Don't you recall how he erased Reagan's OBSCENE national deficit?

Don't you recall how he was one of the few who FOLLOWED UP ON HIS PROMISES to make our country better?

Don't you recall how compassionate he was for his fellow citizens, rich or poor?

Don't you recall how TIMES WERE GOOD under him?

What is wrong with your memories???

[AtomicKitten]

1. I agree.

Whole-heartedly.

[Justyce]

2. I totally agree with you. He was so much

better than what we have now, I can't stand to read that stuff. My little girl is growing up through the majority of her childhood that she'll be able to remember with this Bush shit going on -- I would give anything for her to have been able to grow up during Clinton times or with another president like him.

[Ishoutandscream2]

3. Absolutely. Best president in my 44 years of living

The venom by some toward the Big Dawg on this board frustrates me. Was I for everything he did? No. Did he disappoint me on occasions? You bet. But let me tell ya, we haven't had a great prez like that since FDR.

God, I miss him!

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[stillcool]

5. ...memories don't help with anything...

that has been going on the last 5 yrs. And, expectations that he will continue to speak for the one's who cannot are not only not met, but are trampled by his public stand with those who are most representive of our demise.

[BiggJawn]

6. Lay down with Dogs, get up with Fleas.

I don't "hate" him as much as some here, but I no longer am willing to take a bullet for him.

Now we know what a "Liberal ReTHUGlican" would look like...

And I am TOTALLY sick-up and fed with the DLC, so guess where that leaves me on the question of a Bayh-Clinton or Clinton-Bayh ticket....

[mtnsnake]

9. "Liberal ReTHUGlican" my ass

He is not that, he never was, and he never will be. Only in the minds of people who whine constantly that he's not far enough to the left will he be wrongfully considered to be any form of a Republican.

What Bill Clinton is/was is one of the best all-around Democrats EVER. I wish to fuck we had just ONE more like him in Congress right now.

[madokie]

13. I loved him then and I love him now.

My take is not a one of these folks bad mouthing the Big Dawg would be able to hold a candle to him. You my friend have every right to be disappointed, appalled

Now I see it coming. Flame away

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[Miss Chybil]

7. Bring Back Clinton! nt

[BootinUp]

8. good post.

Thanks for that one, I agree.

[Marr]

10. I remember NAFTA, GATT, and the Telecom Act.

So I don't really know what "fair" criticism is. Is that criticism that doesn't really criticize and ends with a "thank you, Bill"? Because I'm not likely to thank Bill for anything anytime soon.

C'mon- he did alot better than Junior, but that's not saying much.

[GreenPartyVoter]

12. Michael Moore's "Stupid White Men" is a must-read

[jonnyblitz]

chapter 10 to be exact...

lists all the "wonderful" things brought to us by CLinton. :sarcasm:

[JimmyJazz]

15. NAFTA is a disaster and CAFTA is worse.

Welcome to DU. :hi:

I'm not much of a Bill Clinton fan, either.

[kentuck]

11. But he works hard for it...

:)

[LoZoccolo]

14. Problem is, the ignore list isn't working.

It's one of the things they turn off when traffic gets high. Otherwise, I wouldn't have to listen to some of this Clinton bashing.

[lateo]

16. He also paved the way to sell us out to corporations....

He was both good and bad...

[KG]

17. st. bill set the progressive movement in this country back 20 years.

maybe one day the worshipful will come to see billy for what he really is.

[jonnyblitz]

19. this cult of personality crap is getting old....

the poorest of poor did NOT have "8 years of peace and prosperity'. every fucking time a Clinton apologist chirps that worn out clinton era cliche i wanna PUKE.

[KG]

24. funny how worshipful slam the bushbots for their blind alliegence.

oh, the irony. :eyes:

[ProfessorGAC]

26. Sorry, You're Wrong

The number of people living under the poverty line went down under Clinton for the first time since the first term of Nixon. The cost of living went up slower then the increase in real wages for the first time since Johnson. The minimum wage was raised 3 times in 8 years. Real inflation was lower than at any time since the 1920's. Homelessness hit a lowpoint in the 20th century under Clinton. (Admittedly some of those data are estimates because prior to 1950, the gov't didn't keep those stats except during the depression.)

You do realize that higher minimum wages and low inflation help the poor more than they help the middle class and rich, don't you? Well, you should realize it. You're smart enough to get it.

You can puke, but that's on you, not on me. I'm not apologizing for him, so don't call me an apologist. But, you should get your facts right. Dislike him if you will for the right reasons, not those you just think are facts. Because your post that the poorest of the poor did not have 8 years of peace & prosperity is just wrong. They were still the poorest of the poor, but there were fewer of them, and they were a little less poor. That's a pretty good track record from my perspective. Don't get trapped into expecting perfection. You'll be disappointed every single time.
The Professor

[mtnsnake]

29. Thank you! I'm so sick of reading posts about Clinton that are just WRONG

What makes me wanna puke are the extreme negative sensationalist posts about Bill that are nothing but sheer figments of imagination.

Well said.

[jonnyblitz]

38. well I guess you told me...

all hail bill clinton for 8 years of peace and prosperity.

[Done]

18. I understand why the Clintons are trying to make peace with the right.

Hillary is hated by the right with a passion that is hard to comprehend. If nominated she would mobilize the right like nothing else. If elected she would case such divisiveness that she would not be able to govern. Hillary is a smart lady and she knows she has to defuse some of the hatred that is directed at her. Bill is doing what he can to help. I'm not saying I agree with her, or I support her, or I think she would be our best candidate. I am, however, smart enough, and I think most people on this board are smart enough to understand what she is doing, and why she is doing it.

[mtnsnake]

23. That's a fair observation

although I doubt as many people understand that as you think they do. I'm glad you do, though! :toast:

[bamacrat]

21. I couldn't have said it better myself.

Bill Clinton was a shining light in a dim office, he helped everyone, regardless of their socio-economic status. He was the greatest President of our time.(Post WW2)Definately top 5 of all time.

[demo dutch]

22. Clinton put programs in place for NO that were cancelled by GW

Besides right now he need to raise money. I'm sure the blame game will come later, now is not the time for him to do so! I'm sure that he is mortified since he know the area and local people and politicans well!

[mtnsnake]

25. and he also put so many good environmental laws into place that were all

rolled back under GWB.

[blindpig]

41. for seven years

Clinton gave the Environmental movement just a little more than lip service.His trade policies probably did more harm to the environment than his other policies helped. The goodies came in his last 6 months and the manner in which they were done ensured their reversal by the petty Earth hating scum that took over. I worked for him in 1992, couldn't get up the jizz to do so in 1996 because of his sorry environmental effort.

[ronnykmarshall]

27. TESTIFY!!

Say it, say it, say it again!!

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[Jon8503]

30. Exactly, If Clinton was President he would have already been in New

Orleans. It didn't make any dam difference who you were, rich or poor, he did the right thing. They even called him "The First Black President". He had a program called "Instant Impact" or something to that effect. It was just for emergencies like this and everything was in place and ready to go.

It was one of the first of many Clinton programs that Bush dismantled right after taking office.

However, Clinton is big enough to put the things Bush said and did in the back of his mind. As always for President Clinton, the people come first no matter if you are black, white, any color and even freepers probably, he is the true compassionate President.

[apnu]

31. My memory is fine... I object to Clinton toeing the Bush line.

Its bullshit -- all of it.

[mtnsnake]

35. That's my biggest pet peeve with him, too, but I think it's a combination

of what poster #18 said and that "ex-presidents" thing.

While it makes me sick to see him tagging around with Poppy, I'm not going to let that make me forget that Clinton was one of the top 5 presidents ever. His intentions are not to suck up with the enemy. His intentions are to get another Democrat elected President and ASAP.

[Cleita]

32. It's not just DU. Mike Malloy had a go at him last night and

I'm sure you are going to be hearing a lot of criticism from the left as well. It was patently obvious that * had gone to poppy to ask him how to spin this. Poppy no doubt phoned his newly minted buddy Bill and the three of them got their pointed heads together to figure out how to save *'s ass.

Bill no doubt told him that he was a naughty boy not getting relief in there when there was time, but that he could save his image by getting aid into the devasted areas now. Then they all three stood in the Rose Garden for a photo op. :puke:

[mtnsnake]

34. Mike Malloy is fighting the good fight, but he's not perfect either

Just because Mike rants convincingly about something, doesn't always mean he's right 100% of the time. I enjoy his "sermons" for the most part, but some of them can be counter productive, too.

[donsu]

33. what Bill said yesterday was pathetic

nt

[Tyranny_R_US]

36. Oh give me a break!

The freeps go nuts if you question Bush some Du'ers go nuts if you question Clinton but when will these pompous assholes who have nothing to do but yuck it up with each other be held accountable for something, anything shouldnt they be held at some standard, shouldnt there be a limit to what the people allows them to do or say?

[mtnsnake]

39. Whoa! I'm not talking about anyone who happens to "question Clinton".

I'm talking about the gross exagerrations and the DOWNRIGHT NASTY things being cast upon him that JUST AREN'T TRUE!!

No one likes it that he's chumming around with that fucking asshole, Poppy Bush, but Bill Clinton is NOT some fucking TRAITOR to our cause, as so many people here seem to suggest!

[woo me with science]

37. excellent post nt

i miss him a lot at times like this.

[Pastiche423]

40. He's earned that beating

Can you say NAFTA? Have you not seen how he's been humping the bushies legs?

I agree w/Michael Moores's assessment that he was the best repug president we've ever had.

And guess what? I don't vote or idolized repugs!

[mtnsnake]

42. MM's expression is very catchy, isn't it. Sorry, but as much as I like him

I'm not going to let some catchy phrase sway me that's craftilly placed on a book jacket to promote book sales.

[bpilgrim]

44. yeah, it's just a catch phrase is all & the DLC got way better marketing

:eyes:

peace

[mtnsnake]

45. What can I say but

peace back at ya!

:hi:

[bpilgrim]

43. exactly - he is just another neoCON enabler during our darkest hour

fuck the DLC and the 'mule' they rode in on.

politicians who won't go after this criminal regime aren't worth my time let alone my praise.

peace