So rePUKES like Drudge call mothers who sacrificed their sons CUNTS

[Proud2BAmurkin]

Mothers whose sons are slaughtered in Idiot Son's debacle are cunts. Nice!

[raccoon]

1. Did he really say that? If so, where can I email the son of a bitch?

Can you provide a link?

Edited to add 2nd paragraph.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

3. yeah the CUNT spent her life raising a son to be slaughtered by rePUKEs

[RaleighNCDUer]

2. This, in reference to what?

I never visit Drudge, but can't believe that Drudge would say such a thing. He pretends to be respectable.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

the rePUKE idea of a clever play on words(cunning stunt) teee heee heee!

ain't it clever?

[SteppingRazor]

6. Oh, just go to the site...

He calls her arrest a "cunning stunt."

It's obviously a reference to the photo he included, which even some DUers have said makes it look like the cop is coping a feel on Cindy.

Still, not very funny

[flowomo]

4. huh? I saw "cunning stunt" not "stunning cunt"

nasty headline, but not quite what you say. Unless I missed something else.

[Stephanie]

14. it's a common euphemism

everyone knows what it means

[KyndCulture]

24. Yes especially among 10/12 yr olds which is exactly drudge's

mental age group..

what a fucked up thing to put on his website... I hate him even more than I did 10 min ago.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

28. He was doing a circle jerk with ann coulter when he posted it

.

[DS1]

5. Oh come on, I think you just wanted to get away with saying that

He didn't call her that, but he did call her protest a cunning stunt.

WHICH HAPPENS HERE ALL THE TIME

[Proud2BAmurkin]

8. you gotta be shitting me

maybe it WAS too clever for some

[DS1]

9. There's too much of this sensationalism in GD

First, she's getting fingerbanged by the police, now Drudge is calling her a cunt.

What's next?

[SlowDownFast]

59. First thing I thought when I read it.

"Those fuckers knew exactly what they were doing when they came up with that word-play!"

Or maybe my mind's just in the gutter. NOT.

It's pretty fucking obvious what Drudge meant.

[cynatnite]

7. Flame me...but I'm offended by your language...

In the just over a year since I've been here, this is the first time I've seen it used.

My post was deleted for saying Tweedy and Perry were 69ing on TV.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

10. grow up and address the issue. Drudge is calling Sheehan a cunt.

try being offended by what's offensive and not "my" language

[cynatnite]

18. Drudge didn't actually use it...YOU DID

Drugde played around with it, but you took it the step further.

It's a derogatory word aimed at women. I don't care who uses it. As a woman, I have to put up with 'whore', but when does it stop? When does it become NOT okay?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

20. jesus

deal with the fact that rePUKES are calling women who complain about their sons being slaughtered in another Vietnam cunts. Deal.

[cynatnite]

27. So that makes it okay for YOU to do it????

Are you going to be them now???

Does that make YOU right???

[Proud2BAmurkin]

29. Yes it makes it fine for me to call attention to it using the full impact

of what they are in fact saying. GROW UP.

[cynatnite]

32. No, it makes you a hypocrite n/t

[Proud2BAmurkin]

35. sorry can't argue with someone who doesn't understand a thing called

"context"

[cynatnite]

36. It's an offensive word that you don't understand

It doesn't make you more right than them...it makes you like them.

[ghostsofgiants]

46. You've got to be kidding me...

Proud never called anyone a cunt. (S)he is saying that Drudge did. There is a very distinct difference between doing something and accusing someone else of doing it. If you don't get that then I don't know what else to say to you.

[KyndCulture]

26. come on! realize what he said?

have you not heard a kid say this exact phrase? I have!!!

[cynatnite]

30. And any kind of parent would wash the kid's mouth out with soap!

I would if it was my kid.

This is just another excuse to demean women and proud2be thinks it's okay because THEY did it first...my god, how childish does it have to get. :eyes:

[Proud2BAmurkin]

33. are you for real?

I'm demeaning women how?

[KyndCulture]

34. So write to Drudge, don't take it out on a DUer.

I understand you are offended, I don't like the word either, but you are mistakenly taking this out on a DUer not the person who "cleverly" said it on this website.

It's very very common slang for the word.

[melody]

exactly, besides I've always liked that word

Drudge is a wannabe. He has been since the days he foisted (read: spammed) his opinions over Usenet Newsgroups. If that was his intent (to allude to "cunt") - which is what I thought first, too - it probably came from an underling. He's not terribly clever on his own.

[Coventina]

41. As a radical feminist, I believe we should reclaim the "c" word

I realize that the admins feel differently on this issue, which is why I don't spell it out. It's their board. I play by their rules.
(ok, I've slipped a few times, but I try)

Anyway, I refuse to let a word that refers to my body degrade me.
If someone throws the "c" word at me (and it has happened) my reaction is to laugh.

I am a "c" word. I celebrate that. I am full of the reproductive juicyness that keeps the world alive and growing.

Don't let the patriarchy control your reactions to your body. Don't let them make you believe that a word can degrade your fabulous "c" word.

:-)

[Mandate My Ass]

43. That reminds me of the Vagina Monologues

When the whole audience is exhorted to joyously scream the C-word. :D

[Coventina]

44. Really? I've never seen the "VM". Always wanted to, though.

:thumbsup:

[Mandate My Ass]

45. It's well worth the price of admission

but I feel like I've given a spoiler. That part surprised me -- in a good way.

[tigereye]

80. please see it!

It's a great film.

I agree with you, Coventina. I don't like the word, probably because it has been used primarily as a pejorative, but I guess it really depends on how it's used.

[ronnykmarshall]

64. I was just going to say that.

I loved that show!

[Missy Vixen]

70. Another Vagina Monologues viewer checks in

I felt completely differently about the c-word after I saw the play.

I am a woman, a phenomenal woman, to quote the magnificent Maya Angelou. They are just words. They do not detract from my, or any other woman's, inherent right to be here, and to be who she is.

Julie

[KansDem]

49. This word as an interesting etymology:

From the Wikipedia:

History
Cunt is an old Germanic word, and appeared as cunte in Middle English and kunta in Old Norse. It has cognates in most Germanic languages, such as the Swedish and Norwegian kunta†, Frisian kunte, and Dutch kut (while kont in Dutch means bum, buttocks, gender-neutral, but generally derogatory; 'stomme kont' means 'dumb arse'). Its original derivation is an Old Germanic stem kunton. It arose by Grimm's law operating on the Indo-European root gen/gon = "create, become" seen in gonads, genital, gamete, genetics, gene, or the Indo-European root gwneH2/guneH2 = "woman" seen in gynaecology. Relationships to similar-sounding words such as the Latin cunnus (vulva), French con, and Spanish coño have not been conclusively demonstrated. Other Latin words related to cunnus: cuneatus, wedge-shaped; cuneo v. fasten with a wedge; (figurative) to wedge in, squeeze in, leading to English words like cuneiform and cunnilingus.

It is worth quoting a scholarly reference: Eric Partridge, Origins: A Short Etymological Dictionary of Modern English, New York: Greenwich House, Distributed by Crown Publishers, Inc. MCMLVIII, MCMLIX, MCMLXI, MCMLXVI, ISBN 0517414252, page 135.

cunt: ME cunte (occ counte), recorded once in OE: OFris kunte, akin to ON kunta, MLG-LG kunte, D kunte, MD conte; also to MF (and F) con, OF varr cun, cunne; like It conno, from L cunnus, s cun-. The presence of t in the Gmc has long puzzled the etymologists: even Walther von Wartburg aligns the Gmc kunta, kunte, with the L cunnus only under the aegis of a question-mark; for cunnus, E & M adduce the syn Gr kusthos and the Per kun, the posterior, but they omit to cite the Hit kun, tail; for kusthos, Hofmann proposes an orig *kuzdhos, with extended r *kus- or *keus- and with true IE r *ku- or *keu-, to hide or conceal, and he adduces L cutis, skin which has s cut-, extension of r *cu-, *ku-, the skin being a coverer.
But is it not probable that the word is of common Medit stock: Eg offers qefen-t, vagina, vulva, akin to the n-lacking Eg ka-t, vagina, vulva, mother, women collectively. There are also several Sem congnates. The basic idea is prob 'essential femineity'.
Cunt has been in common use in English since at least the 13th century. It did not appear in any major dictionary of the English language from 1795 to 1961 (when it was included in Webster's Third New International Dictionary, with the comment "usu. considered obscene"). Its first appearance in the Oxford English Dictionary was in 1972, which cites the word as having been in use since 1230 in what was supposedly a current London street name of "Gropecuntelane".

The word appears several times in Chaucer's Canterbury Tales (c1390), in bawdy contexts, but it does not appear to be thought of as obscene at this point, since it is used openly. A notable use is from the Miller's Tale "Pryvely he caught her by the queynte". The Wife of Bath also uses this term, "For certeyn, olde dotard, by your leave/You shall have queynte right enough at eve...What aileth you to grouche thus and groan?/Is it for ye would have my queynte alone?". In modernised versions of these passages the word "queynte" is usually translated simply as "cunt" <2> <3>. However, in Chaucer's usage there seems to be an overlap between the words "cunt" and "quaint" (possibly derived from from the Latin for 'known'). Quaint was probably pronounced in Middle English in much the same way as cunt. It is sometimes unclear whether the two words were thought of as distinct from one another. Elsewhere in Chaucer's work the word queynte seems to be used with meaning comparable to the modern "quaint" (charming, appealing).

By Shakespeare's day, the word seems to have been thought of as obscene. Although Shakespeare doesn't use the word explicitly (or with derogatory meaning) in his plays, he still has fun with it, using wordplay to sneak it in. In Act III, Scene 2, of Hamlet, as the castle's residents are settling in to watch the play-within-the-play, Hamlet asks Ophelia, "Lady, shall I lie in your lap?" Ophelia of course, replies, "No, my lord." Hamlet, feigning shock, says, "Do you think I meant country matters?" Then, to drive home the point that the accent is definitely on the first syllable of country, Shakespeare has Hamlet say, "That's a fair thought, to lie between maids' legs." Also see Twelfth Night (Act II, Scene V): "There be her very C's, her U's, and her T's: and thus makes she her great P's." A related scene occurs in Henry V, when Katherine is learning English, she is appalled at the "gros et impudique" English words "foot" and "gown", which her English teacher has mispronounced as "coun". Presumably Shakespeare intends to suggest that she has misheard "foot" as "foutre" (French, "fuck") and "coun" as "con" (French, "cunt").

By the 17th century a softer form of the word, cunny, came into use. This was probably a derived from a pun on "coney", meaning "rabbit", rather as "pussy" is connected to the same term for a cat. (Philip Massinger: "A pox upon your Christian cockatrices! They cry, like poulterers' wives, 'No money, no coney.'") Largely because of this usage, the word "coney" to refer to rabbits changed pronunciation from short "o" (like money and honey) to long "o" (cone, as in Coney Island), and has now almost completely disappeared from most dialects of English, much in the same way that the word "pussy" is now rarely used to refer to a cat in America.

Similar word-play has been used more recently. The British band The Sex Pistols recorded a song entitled '"Pretty Vacant", pronounced pretty vay-khunt.

Double act Peter Cook and Dudley Moore are often credited with having made the word more acceptable and accessible in the UK in the 20th Century through their Derek and Clive dialogues. In one sketch called "This Bloke Came Up To Me", the word is used 31 times in the course

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[fleabert]

56. I agree with you!

I have no problem with the word, that's the only way to diffuse it's impact.

"reproductive juicyness" - that's awesome! :rofl: I love it!

"C's" are the most powerful things in the world! I am woman!

[ismnotwasm]

68. I read an essay on that word on time

On the origins of it. The author was a radical feminist also, and thought it should be reclaimed. It was a great piece. I've never been able to find the essay again. I stumbled on it on the internet. Now I'm afraid if I look all I'll get is massive porn spam

[Stephanie]

11. Quoting someone else's obscenity

Fair game.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

13. exactly.

.

[ronnykmarshall]

38. How about this?

Campers
Under
Nice
Trees

[sniffa]

58. ronny

can't understand normaL thinking.

pLease rush, i can't kibitz.

:loveya:

[Mr_Spock]

57. Flame

I'm done. :D

[TankLV]

73. Get a clue.

The poster was not glorifying the word, or using it to denegrate "womyn" either.

He was stating the obvious.

Direct your anger to that prick drudge, not the poster.

I wouldn't dignify drudge with the "c" word. Neither would the poster.

[murray hill farm]

12. wellllllllllll...that is how they think of women...

cunts...that give birth...so that there will always be enough young men and women to send to the next war and the next war, etc. that is how they see us...cunts=production machines for making enough babies to fight all the wars.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

16. The hate for Sheehan overcame them n/t

.

[KyndCulture]

15. Yes he did... that's what 12 yr olds say when they want to call someone

a cunt. As much as I DESPISE this word, this is EXACTLY what that shitbag meant by this.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

17. Yup. Hey moms, you're a CUNT if your son gets slaughtered in a rePuke war

remember that

[chelsea0011]

19. this word usually gets you locked

[Proud2BAmurkin]

21. I think mods understand a little thing called CONTEXT

.

[KyndCulture]

22. fair game, Sludge said it not DU. nt.

[Theres-a]

31. Alert is your friend.

[TechBear_Seattle]

23. Mothers don't sacrifice their sons

Governments (specifically: the US government) do. The only "cunts"(*) are mothers who don't cheerfully applaud the government who does the sacrificing.

(*) How did the gateway in to life become a term of disgust, anyway?

[Proud2BAmurkin]

25. good clarification

Mothers who don't cheerfully applaud rePUKEs who sacrifice their sons are known by rePUKES as "cunts"

[Mandate My Ass]

39. Bravo

(*) How did the gateway in to life become a term of disgust, anyway?

In exactly the manner you described the criteria for the application of the term. When the *ahem* gateway owns her power.

[KyndCulture]

37. Wow! way to dillute the issue here...

Drudge used a very popular slang term for the word cunt and what do I see here? a complete attack on a DUer for calling him out on exactly what he said.

Sad really sad.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

60. I've noticed on DU a lot of times.......

....the attitude of "shoot the messenger, then pretend the message never existed".

Too many people still think the GOP shitbirds are like a schoolyard bully who will stop teasing if you ignore them. That's a fairy tale.

[KyndCulture]

62. Woot!

:applause:

you nailed it there...

I'll take it one step further, it's the ridiculous Politically Correctness. If we all act PC, then they will too... well bullshit, they don't, they won't and I will call them out on it no matter what. If that's what they meant (and it IS in this case) then I'll say they said it too.

[Must_B_Free]

40. The way it reads for me

I think he's emphasizing the handreach here; "whitehouse IN cunning stunt"

[JVS]

42. Whoa! Where did this happen?

[ebal]

47. cabbage truck

I guess I must have just fallen off of it.

I've never heard of "cunning stunt" meaning something else until this thread.

[LittleClarkie]

48. You're a guy, aren't ya

I can only assume, since you don't seem to realize that this particular word will send some women to DEFCON 5.

I would suggest the asterisk thing would have been a better idea, as in C**T

[Skinner]

50. Regarding the use of the word "cunt" on Democratic Underground.

We are getting a lot of alerts about this thread, and about other threads on this topic. In hopes of addressing some of these concerns, I want to explain the position of the DU administrators.

Normally we do not permit the word "cunt" to be used on this website. It is our opinion that the word is extremely degrading to women.

However, in the context of this discussion, we believe members should be permitted to use the word. In fact, it would be very difficult to have this discussion without using the word.

The admins of Democratic Underground believe it is clear that Matt Drudge used the phrase "cunning stunt" as a backhanded way to call Cindy Sheehan a "cunt." For that reason, we think it is only natural that some people here will use the word "cunt" in the context of this topic.

Rest assured that in other contexts, this word is still not permitted on Democratic Underground.

I hope you understand.

Skinner
DU Admin

[cynatnite]

51. Not acceptable, Skinner...

You just gave permission for it to continue and dragged the line in the sand to promote this kind of derogatory behavior to one of accepting.

If I take a quote from the RW element putting in that gays are cocks who sucks...does that make it okay for me to call gays ****suckers? It shouldn't...even though 'they did it first'.

This is the very thing we shouldn't be doing. We shouldn't be acting like them because we will eventually become them. Just because 'they did it first' doesn't mean it's okay for us to do the same. We're not children.

We're supposed to be adults here and be respectful others. That's not happening here.

I am very dispointed and discouraged with DU's stance on this issue. It tells me, they'll let a lot more slide since they allowed this.

[KyndCulture]

53. Yeah, the next time Drudge or another RW blogger

uses the slur, then you can bet your sweet butt we will call them out on it.

READ the post by Skinner for a second. Skinner is exactly right on target...

[cynatnite]

54. Yes, and like children, some will act like Drudge or other RW nutjobs

The justification is a piss poor excuse.

That's all I'll say on this matter.

[KyndCulture]

55. good, cause you are wrong.

[mr blur]

77. I'm afraid that you persistently miss the point here.

and, ironically, cause discussion of the word that offends you so much to be prolonged.
Quite honestly, I find the fact that you would wash your kids' mouths out with soap and water to be more alarming than the use of 4 letters strung together to form a word that has been used for hundreds of years.

[BlackVelvet04]

63. The outrage of it all. n/t

[arwalden]

67. Oh Brother.

[CanuckAmok]

72. Context wins, you lose. Booyah.

You know, the only thing that keeps empowering the word "cunt" is the fetishization of the word "cunt".

If you stop complaining about the word "cunt", the word "cunt" will cease having offensive power over you.

In the meantime, "cunt" is highly appropriate in this thread. In fact this thread is about the use of the word "cunt", and the abuse of the word "cunt" by "the other side".

If they didn't think the word "cunt" was offensive, they wouldn't say "cunt". They wanted your ire, and they got it.
But don't take my word for it; the mods and at least one administrator have shown good sense in allowing this important thread to continue, against the wishes of the self-appointed languestapo.

[TankLV]

75. First of all, you have it backwards. We aren't "cocks who sucks"

we like to suck cocks - hense "cocksuckers". I'm proud of this. It doesn't offend me in the least.

Now I have a cock, and I like to suck cocks, as well as to have mine sucked. But I am more than my cock (my ever increasing belly would heartily concurr), so I am technically not a "cock", although I've been known to be quite "cocky" and "the cock of the walk", as well as a "prick", "dick", "dickhead", and all the other terms at one time or other!

You are trying to make something exist when there is nothing that exists.

As a gay person, and a proud "cocksucker" - you're comments only prove your ignorance and get a giant "shrug" from me.

[KyndCulture]

52. A voice of reason. Thank you so much, Skinner.

That's exactly what happened!!!

[LittleClarkie]

61. I might suggest, however, substituting C**T for the more sensitive members

as this particular word is a red flag to some women, sending them to DEFCON 5 rather quickly.

I agree it's hard to have the discussion without using the word, but perhaps some decorum could still be maintained.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

65. Calling out rePUKES doesn't work if we sugar coat the word FOR them

They need to be exposed.

[arwalden]

69. What Difference Does THAT Make?? I'll Never Cease To Be Amused...

... whenever I see someone who gets all bent out of shape and unhinged whenever they see "cunt" or "bitch" (spelled out) but somehow, it's magically A-OK and completely acceptable if there's an asterisk in place of the vowels. As in "c*nt" or "b*tch". Do the faint of heart honestly believe that the asterisk is replacing something OTHER than the letter "u" or "i"? Trust me... nobody EVER mistakes that as being "cent" or "butch".

Big deal! So a vowel was removed and an asterisk was put in its place. Everyone STILL sees (and reads) "c*nt" as "cunt" and they still know that the word is "bitch" even though someone typed "b*tch".

It's even more amusing that folks get upset with the word "bitch" but it's okay to play cute games like "rhymes with witch and starts with B" or "bee itch".

The MEANING is still the same. The writer STILL gets the message across. Yet for those who are MOST OPPOSED to using the ACTUAL words, this vowel-substitution or rhyming-word substitution game is okay.

Weird.

[LittleClarkie]

74. I dunno. Just trying to help out. I could give a flying fuck myself.

Just looking for the middle ground.

[arwalden]

76. Finding Middle Ground Is A Herculean Task...

... with the language gestapo folks. I'm not sure that such a thing can be done.

<< I could give a flying fuck myself.>>
:thumbsup:

[murray hill farm]

81. you are so right on this one...it is just a word...

and it only has meaning in the context and meaning in the attitude of the person who uses it. when my daughter was a teenager, she would say to me (in fun).."you ignorant slut" (from saturday night live fame), and i would reply to her that "hey, i take exception to that ignorant part of what u said, you little cunt"...and we would both just crack up laughing over what we just said...we would repeat it whenever we could. today...she is 40 and i am 65...we still say it and then laugh and laugh. In our case, the words are terms of affection...and fun. words only have the power that u give to them. i think in this case, cindy...just was not fitting at all the role of cunt...socially and politically (so to speak)...so she got called a cunt to put her in her place...as the speaker sees the role of women...but i will bet that cindy was not offended...not at all...she really got to them and so they call her names...all this means is that they dont know how to deal with this strong woman...which is good news as far as i am concerned.

[arwalden]

82. Indeed... Cindy Is A Painful Thorn In Their Ass.

... and the name-calling proves it.

[Proud2BAmurkin]

66. Looks like fellow rePUKES told Sludge to stop revealing them as PUKES

He changed the headline about Sheehan. He's no longer calling the mother who raised an Eagle Scout who was slaughtered in Idiot Son's iraq debacle a "CUNT" as he did in his earlier headline:

"Sheehan arrested in cunning stunt"

Too late rePUKES.

[BlueJazz]

71. I believe the one thing most posters on this subject forget is.....

....certain words and Phrases are common in one area of the country and nearly unheard-of in another part.
I, for one, have heard the term "Cunning Stunt" several times in my life....and of course, I knew exactly what the person was saying.
(Was even used in a famous Joke)
I don't doubt for a second that some posters have never heard the term, but it's common in some locations....

[RebelOne]

78. Well, everyone can calm down now. Drudge changed the headline

to "FUN: CINDY ARRESTED AT WHITE HOUSE."

[Caretha]

79. Good!

Shining light on their/his despicable behavior and not being afraid to "say it like it is" worked.

We need to remember that.