Don't count on the new found public dislike for Bush and Republicans...

[NNN0LHI]

...is going to equate into some new found love of Democrats. I think too many Democratic politicians are counting on just such a thing so they are playing rope a dope right now. Yep they are right back to their usual tricks.

The reason I am saying this is because the more I dislike Bush and his minions the more I dislike all politicians. Why? Because the Dem's are not calling Bush on his shenanigans every time I turn my television on like they should be right now. I don't know where they are? And when one does come out from wherever they have been to say something they sound like Bush on the issues that mean something to me.

Don

[skooooo]

1. Fine, let "them" find a 3rd party....cause unless things change..

the republicans won't stand a chance on 06.

[xchrom]

2. i have to agree with you.

it's not even so much that i think dems should rail on bushco -- i think dems should vigorously and aggressively be prommoting their own ideas and ideals ALL THE DAMN TIME.

they should never have let reagan talk them into the corner where they exist now.

[liveoaktx]

3. Yes, they are. I have seen more spirited call-outs of Bush on Cspan

than I have seen for a long time, including Republicans. I think it's a "Minority Power doesn't get the airtime" problem unless they do something like the "Shame, Shame" action yesterday. That doesn't mean they aren't speaking out. They are.

[underpants]

4. Okay but let's not forget

(NOT meant as an excuse)

US Senators, yes US SENATORS, have to stand up in front of cameras and SCREAM news stories out for them to get any attention. Repubs refuse to call hearings and without hearings the talking suits on MSM will not cover it, there is no investigative journalism to speak of anymore. Think about that. US Senators have to jump up and down and SCREAM to get attention on news stories while missing blondes and illogical nutsyfagin RW theories get actual news coverage.

The last weeks of the campaign Kerry literally ripped stories off the front page and made speeches about them (HE broke the Al Qua Qua ammo dump story for the most part) while the talking suits just talked about how he couldn't get his message out and had discussions about how he couldn't get his message out.

The same thing is happening again. "What is the Dem's answer? (solution)" Uh how about

IT IS ALL BLOWING UP IN OUR FACES

WE AREN'T READY

THEY ARE INCOMPETENT BOOBS

Hows THAT for a message? but oh no MSM still says "White House sources say...." as if that is a credible source.

[NNN0LHI]

8. Its all the medias fault?

Have you ever heard the term "liberal media"? Millions of times right? Do you know where that came from? The Republicans kept pushing that talking point until it became an everyday term. Didn't they? The Dem's could call out the media on their bias and BS reporting too. If they wanted to.

Don

[underpants]

21. No not all

but getting the message out is THE battle (in these sound bite times)

After the election a year ago would have been the time that the Dems should have said OKAY THAT'S IT to the media....but no they can't do that the media might turn on them ( how much worse could it get?) :scared:

They should have and Dean should be doing that as DNC chair.

The backlash from the media will be brutal but it needs to be done.

[Toots]

5. If they aren't speaking out about it they must agree with it

If they agree with it then they are complicit and no better than Republicans. I say throw them all out........It is way past time to radically overhawl Congress and their staffs.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

6. Democrats need to lead with policies and ideas if they want followers

Democrats need to unite behind programs that are a bit more idealistic than perfectly practical, but not too idealistic.

For example, healthcare for all. Some way, some how, but healthcare for all.

[Amonester]

7. The Corporate Sold-out Media (almost) never report anything

they say...

Well, except when they ask each other to apologize to the criminals at ChimpRove&Co, that is... :grr:

[LeighAnn]

9. Not so sure

In the last two weeks I've heard hard-core right-wingers make these statements, "I think the Democrats would have done a better job helping those Katrina victims" and "I'm so sorry I voted for that evil degenerate". I think the scandals and the hurricanes are opening up peoples' eyes to the fact that the Republican party is full of hypocritical liars, and their slandering of Democrats will be far less effective in '06 and beyond.

[LeighAnn]

10. Not so sure

In the last two weeks I've heard hard-core right-wingers make these statements, "I think the Democrats would have done a better job helping those Katrina victims" and "I'm so sorry I voted for that evil degenerate". I think the scandals and the hurricanes are opening up peoples' eyes to the fact that the Republican party is full of hypocritical liars, and their slandering of Democrats will be far less effective in '06 and beyond.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

11. Unless the Dems get their act together...

and provide an appealing, positive, clearly articulated, relentlessly promoted alternative vision against the Republicanites, the only result of the revelations of the Bush administration's malfeasance will be further deep disillusionment with all politicians.

Voter participation will fall even lower, with the Republican true believers hanging in there, the Democratic true believers trying to fight back, and the much-coveted "swing voters" deciding that they'd rather watch football.

[NNN0LHI]

15. You got it. And they need to start right now

Not a few months before an election when it really does look like nothing but political bickering to everyone. Otherwise your scenario will be exactly what happens.

Don

[SoFlaJet]

12. I get disgusted

with the usual"where are the democrats?" cry.They're speaking out-trying to affect change unfortunately it's not shown unless you really look for it.Where is the video of yesterdays shenanigans all over the TV?Did I miss it?But I will agree with you on this though;BOTH parties and pretty much all politicians are scalawags-BECAUSE OF MONEY-until(never) it's taken OUT of the game green will continue to rule-sad but true.

[ToolTex]

13. Unless we do something about vote machine fraud

it doesn't make a bit of difference what anyone does or says. We lose. Period.

[Mythsaje]

14. An awful lot of them are speaking out

on Air America.

That's the only place they're really getting airtime. AAR, the Jones Radio Network, and almost nowhere else. Unless they're doing something extreme, the TV nets ignore them.

[NNN0LHI]

29. If it takes doing something extreme to get coverage then so be it

Watching Dem's using the same fear tactics as Bush is to generate support for an unprovoked and illegal war that appears to be degenerating to genocide does not give me a good feeling.

Don

[leeroysphitz]

16. I agree but I was somewhat heartened by this:

http://thinkprogress.org/2005/10/07/house-block-vote

[Atman]

17. Bullshit. BULLSHITBULLSHITBULLSHIT.

It is the media in BushCo's control. The GOP even likes to brag about it, how they spent years consolidating power and refining their message, and that includes the message delivery system, and perception management.

Yesterday afternoon was a prime example. The democrats fought like hell against the give-away to big oil, and the republicans held open the vote, shouted them down, and strongarmed stragglers. When they finally got what they wanted, 45 minutes later, they quickly shut down the vote and declared victory, to loud chants of SHAME! SHAME! SHAME! througout the hall.

Afterwards, a group of key democrats held a news conference, which was one of the most scathing I have seen. They were pissed off, named names, had documents, made accusations of outright corruption backed up by Dick Cheney's own words.

So I ask you..

What did YOU see on the "news" last night? Terra terra terra?

Hmm?

It isn't the dems. They can scream all they want, but the media is the message, and the media told America nothing happened.

[maine_raptor]

18. Ding, Ding, Ding..Give that man a Cookie

It's damn hard to get any message out when nobody ever hears it.

[NNN0LHI]

19. Then the Dem's need to call them on their terra bullshit

Otherwise they are part of the scam. I seen 2 Dem's on Tweety last night gushing about what a great job was being done to protect us from terra. What terra? The terra in Bush's mind? The Dem's like this be scared of the terra shit just as much as the Republicans. That way they don't have to actually work. Just keep passing spending bills for this buffoon in the white house to finance wars that are making more terra. They all get their cut. I can remember having a Democratic president who said "the only thing to fear is fear itself". What happened to those days?

Don

[Atman]

20. You saw two dems on Tweety. Aw, great.

And who does Tweety work for? Defense Contractor General Electric. They allow a couple dems on to lob softballs, and to give an appearance of "fairness," but why are they viewed as OPPOSITION on a supposed NEWS program? Tweety should be devoting every fucking show to the bullshit going on, because THAT is the news, not his self-serving choad-slurping of BushCo officials. Don't you see how sad this is? Major crimes are being committed, have been committed, and you're happy than two dems got five minutes on Tweety's show. What is wrong with this picture?

And what do you suppose would have happened if Tweety actually had all dems on for his full hour, and they laid out all the bullshit going on? We'll never know, will we? Not gonna happen.

[sandnsea]

31. You will never be satisfied

I think some people just want the entire country to fall apart so that everybody will be as miserable as they are. If the lefties aren't satisfied after yesterday, they never will be. I also think the reason they don't go form their own party, and really get behind it, is because that would require work and all they really want to do is bitch.

[NNN0LHI]

32. On the contrary. I was pretty satisfied when Clinton was president

Not with everything but almost. But many of us have realized since then satisfaction breeds complacency. And for that complacency we got 8 years of Bush and his minions. Enjoy.

Don

[sandnsea]

33. Then you make no sense

There is no reason to be throwing temper tantrums over Democrats today if you were satisfied with Clinton. Maybe you just don't have as much to do now as you did then and are taking up your slack time with bitching.

[NNN0LHI]

35. And no reason to become hysterical when someone says something...

...that you don't agree with either. Doing so makes it impossible to understand what you are trying to say. Read it three times and I still can't figure out why you suggest because I was happy with Clinton that means I should without question like the Dem's now. Must be some kind of secret code or something you are using? See ya.

Don

[sandnsea]

36. Don't get all indignant now

You didn't pay any attention when Clinton was President and the Democrats were fighting these bastards. They waltzed right into power while write-a-check activists were partying around the mail box, waiting for their latest dividend check. And now those same people want the people in DC to get a spine??? Where was your spine last week when I posted on at least 5 different actions Democrats were taking that got little or no response on this board AT ALL. Or at Kos or at MyDD. Where was everybody during the ANWR Rally last month? If people spent half the time backing Democrats as they do bitching, we'd have this country turned around in 30 days flat. Hell, all we had to do was transfer our stock into environmentally friendly stock on Nov 3 and watch this country do a U-Turn. If we had to depend on today's activists to change tuna fishing laws, the dolphins would all be dead. With the new Endangered Species Act, they will be soon enough anyway.

Sorry if I'm not impresseed with people who bitch at the leaders doing the hard work, but never show up for the real fights. And there are more real fights in this country than the war.

[goforit]

23. The Dems who vote for Bush's crimes are the Cowards.

[goforit]

22. I couldn't agree with you more. The Dems cowering looks real BAD!!

[Gloria]

24. You're exactly right...The Democrats should be showing why

they are different, not deferring as usual.

You know, all that business about "shame, shame" over the refinery bill vote....well, the GOP pulled the same thing before with a Medicare vote...and the Dems sat there. The problem is, they've been sitting there all along and that's why we're at the point where we have been railroaded on nearly everything. Then to suddenly raise a voice about a refinery bill....too little, too late. And Reid and this Miers thing and all that phony smoke blown about the strategy about using a filibuster...I feel "faked out" by Dems as well as Republicans....

As for the media...if the Dems showed consistent spine, they'd get more coverage. Controversy trumps everything else. But to act pansy-assed will get you no RESPECT or COVERAGE.

Frankly, I'm reverting to Independent status....this party is pathetic. There's a Progressie Voter Alliance in town which I'm going to see about joining....

[NNN0LHI]

25. You are right too. All this Miers stuff is smoke and mirrors

The Dem's are all in some lobbyists pocket just like all the Repugs are. Everyone knows it. So Bush and the Republicans threw us the constituents a bone (Miers) to cover for the Dem's and try to make them look not so weak and corrupt as to not screw things up and hurt the bottom line (money and power) for all of them. These flim-flam men in DC are not fooling everyone.

Don

[happydreams]

26. Sometimes I wonder whether what the public

thinks makes any difference with these people.

[Imagevision]

27. r u serios? - Bush is fucking the lamest duck punk ever...he's finished!

Rove-Delay-Frist- the Iraq war- unemployment- SS. - he's fickin wasted...he couldn't lead his way out of a paper fucking bag!!!

Fitzgerald will indict punk-fuck cheney along with Rove and Libby

the best is yet to come bro......!!!!

[Disturbed]

28. Amerikan Corp. Media feeds Amerikans whatever generates...

viewer stats. True that most of the owner moguls are RW and are complicit with the Bush Crime Cartel yet even they could not hide the Katrina lack of response, although now their reporters are being fed to steer the blame on the local politicians. Dems cannot rely on Amerikan voters disastisfaction with the Bush Regime alone because all of Congress is getting low grades right now. Dems must step up and offer an alternative to RW Fascism.

[mbee]

30. DLC Democrats need to become the Republicans that they are, but

the bush gang is still evil in comparison. I will still take whatever we have in the Democratic Party compared to the opposition party which is just supporting evil beyond comprehension.

[Rex]

34. Some are actually trying to do good.

The problem here is the sheer power the Repukes wield...they even have some of our guys praising and going along with the madness. The good thing for us is that the whole Boosh house of cards can be brought down by simple exposure. I hope Fitz is going to have the balls to face the dragon.