Framing Global Warming for Evangelicals. RE: bill Moyers

[alfredo]

[ComerPerro]

1. Yeah, and Noah didn't let anyone else on the Ark, if I recall

only his family

[alfredo]

3. We are presenting the case for environmentalism to the

bible believing. Noah may have been a jerk, but we are not selling that concept.

When selling a car or a concept the seller must first sell him/herself to the buyer.

[ComerPerro]

12. Sorry, that was my point, kinda sorta

I was saying, "Well, Noah was an environmentalist wacko, but look what happened to the people who made fun of him."

[alfredo]

16. Good. We are on the same page.

[Meeker Morgan]

2. Being a smartass isn't "framing" n/t

[alfredo]

4. Explain

[Kailassa]

7. If Noah was reading that today he'd turn in his grave.

Telling the truth in humerous way only amuses those who recognise the truth in it.

There is one thing I was always curious about, re the story of thhe flood. Were Noah and his family already infected with syphillus, gonorrhea, chlamydia, herpes, trichomoniasis, crabs, genital warts, chancroids and the many other STDs in existance, or did they all evolve since that time?

[alfredo]

8. Are Evangelicals familiar with the story of Noah?

He got the message of impending doom and he acted appropriately for himself, his family, and the biological diversity.


Hey, even a spirochete deserves a chance at a full rich life. there were two when they started up the ramp, by the time they got inside, they were a million strong.

[Kailassa]

9. Not the children of the ones I Know.

And even fewer are going to know what Lot, the man who was so good he was saved from the conflagration of Sodom, did to his daughters. Sex man to man was apparently abhorrent; sex with one's own daughters was the way to go.

There is a lot of subversive stuff in the old testament. Let someone freely read the story a theocracy wrote about its bloody past, and they'll never see Christianity in the same light again.

And back to Noah, do you think the restriction of 2 per species applied to crabs? I could imagine his family all drowning while they tried to get rid of the other 749032 first.

[alfredo]

10. But the idea is to get the faith based community interested in

protecting the environment, not discussing the merits of their religion.

[Kailassa]

14. but ya know, that's what hell's meant to be like, muahaha

Last time I tried to discuss climate change with my evangelical brother, I came to the bitter conclusion that the only thing more stupid than an evangelical was a person silly enough to try teaching one.

He explained that increased storms and wars were good because they were a necessary prerequisite for the return of his lord, who would take all saved people to safety.
And the rest of the world didn't matter, bcause, ya know, ...

[alfredo]

18. Ask him if you can have his house and car come the

rapture. But we are looking at the back sliders, those with doubts, those who have started to see the light.

[RC]

19. It was all that hanky panky

with the lions, tigers, elephants, monkeys, and ... sheep

[Meeker Morgan]

11. It insults their intellingence. n/t

[Kailassa]

13. It could be easier said than done,

to insult the "sound judgment and rationality" of the average evangelical.

[Meeker Morgan]

15. Yeah OK. But that's not "framing". n/t

[alfredo]

20. Well, how would you frame global warming for an

Evangelical audience?

[alfredo]

17. Giving them something to think about is insulting

their intelligence?

He didn't reject the warnings, he took them serious. He took immediate action and survived.

From what Moyers said in his Oct 7th speech, some Evangelicals are starting to hear the warnings.

[bananas]

5. Is too! n/t

[alfredo]

6. Thanks

I think