A little help on plame please

[oregonindy]

got a freeper who says

Valerie Plame wasn't a CIA "Agent". She hadn't worked in the field for over FOUR years. This is nothing more than a dog and pony show for the masses and I predict that it will go nowhere.


I'm looking for her job history I guess. :)

[moc]

1. Easy answer for your freeper. I'm sure Fitzgerald knows what Plame's

status was, as does the CIA who referred the case to DOJ. If he thinks a crime has been committed, then we can deduce that Plame was a NOC. Just because the little freepers aren't aware of her status doesn't mean it didn't exist. It's not like they publish a NOC's job history on internet.

Second, refer him to the judges' rulings who've seen Fitz's evidence. There are 8 pages of redacted evidence because it's top secret. The rulings make it clear that the crime was severe and threatened national security. I thought I had a bookmark to the ruling, but apparently I don't. Perhaps someone else can provide a link.

[oregonindy]

2. awesome! if you can find those links it would be great.

[pinto]

3. Tell him Judith Miller has a blue dress. n/t

:sarcasm:

[Fleshdancer]

4. According to Larry Johnson...

http://www.tpmcafe.com/story/2005/7/13/04720/9340

Valerie Plame was a classmate of mine from the day she started with the CIA. I entered on duty at the CIA in September 1985. All of my classmates were undercover--in other words, we told our family and friends that we were working for other overt U.S. Government agencies. We had official cover. That means we had a black passport--i.e., a diplomatic passport. If we were caught overseas engaged in espionage activity the black passport was a get out of jail free card.

A few of my classmates, and Valerie was one of these, became a non-official cover officer. That meant she agreed to operate overseas
without the protection of a diplomatic passport. If caught in that status she would have been executed.

The lies by people like Victoria Toensing, Representative Peter King, and P. J. O'Rourke insist that Valerie was nothing, just a desk jockey. Yet, until Robert Novak betrayed her she was still undercover and the company that was her front was still a secret to the world. When Novak outed Valerie he also compromised her company and every individual overseas who had been in contact with that company and with her.

The Republicans now want to hide behind the legalism that "no laws were broken". I don't know if a man made law was broken but an ethical and moral code was breached. For the first time a group of partisan political operatives publically identified a CIA NOC. They have set a precendent that the next group of political hacks may feel free to violate.

[librechik]

5. don't bother, he won't believe you anyway.

She was working UNDERCOVER for Brewster-Jennings, a SECRET CIA FRONT business, and was under NON-official Cover (NOC) which means that she didn't get a special "get out of jail free" passport, like an ordinary agent,( a diplomatic passport that allows them to be deported home if discovered.) She had a regular passport only, which means she was REALLY undercover as an ordinary citizen, and if she was discovered doing what she did in some foreign country, they could merely execute her.

She had mainly been working in this country becasue she was on MATERNITY LEAVE,(she had twins) not because she didn't hope to go back to her actual job once the children were old enough. The agency never changed her status, becasue her cover was still good, and they expected her to go back to her actual position once maternity leave was over too. It would have been illegal for them to do otherwise, becasue maternity leave is temporary by its very nature.

The twins are also the reason why it's RIDICULOUS to suggest that she sent Joe to Africa. It was very inv=convenient for him to go, becasue she JUST HAD TWINS. Nevertheless, he wqaas the best guy for the job anyway, so the CIA sent him.

[H2O Man]

6. A simple answer:

The first witness that Fitzgerald put in front of the grand jury was a high-ranking CI official who explained, without any possibility of being wrong, what her job was. Now, that's the truth, and no "freeper" can change that. They can be ignorant, or lie, but they can't change the truth.

[texpatriot2004]

8. I thought that the "she didn't work in the field" bit was debunked

thanks for this tidbit.

[oregonindy]

9. got a link for this? thanks

[hvn_nbr_2]

10. That seems highly likely but do we know it?

It certainly seems like the first thing you would do would be establish that she was an operative. Do we know or have good evidence of how much CIA has helped Fitzgerald? Even how much they could legally help him, since much info is probably still classified. I'd like to believe, and have speculated in other threads, that they've been providing lots of info regarding the damage to national security done by outing Brewster Jennings.

[Chan790]

7. Her field deployment is

less than relevant. Her outing blew a cover corporation for over 60 agents and countless analysts, set back the global hunt for WMDs, tipped off every black-marketer and infiltrated terrorist organization.

The CIA does not track the number of lives lost among compromised assets but you can be certain that several people vital to national security died for this betrayal off the books, the only reason you're not hearing it is because they're not Americans.