Voters Support Parental Notice

[still_one]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/latimests/20051103/ts_latimes/voterssupportparentalnotice

WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE TODAY!!!

so if a child is raped by a father or uncle or if they have a strained relation with their parents, they want to FORCE that child to get the abusive parents consent

What if a child is afraid of their parents?

This is big brother wanting to control female bodies

I am a guy, but it is mostly male assholes who want to control female issues. Maybe they should visit some abuse centers or emergency rooms, but I doubt these idiots would still understand!!!

[PowerToThePeople]

1. A sad day for human rights.... n/t

[still_one]

3. I hope the poll is wrong

I can't believe this is California!

Are people that stupid about the issue?

[Ksec]

7. Yes they are

They frame it as just your garden variety notification which most people would naturally support. They dont think about the abusive angle.

[KingFlorez]

2. This poll doesn't seem right

Especially since this is CA

[still_one]

4. My daughter is in college, and they are voting NO

so maybe the young people will save the day because the poll didn't include them

[seabeyond]

5. i would vote against parental notification, and be against what

i just voted for. you pull out the extremes on why we need to allow a kid.... a child underage to be able to get an abortion without parental consent, but there is not a single other thing (besides birthcontrol) that i would allow my child to be able to do with their health without me knowing about. that is an invasive procedure. every insinct within me as a parent tells me i should have to be notified

this is not an easy one for a parent.

[still_one]

9. what about an abused child

or one who doesn't get along with their parents

what a crock. the kid will just runaway. If you already have a good relationship with your child this will NOT be an issue, it is only for those who do NOT, and those are the ones who will suffer

what if the child is raped, and the parent demands the child have the child? What is worse?

[seabeyond]

18. all your what if's i already addressed

and i dont care if you have a good relationship with your child or not, i had a good relationship with my parents. if i had gotten preg and decided on an abortion i would have hidden it from my parents. and i dont think that is a good thing. and as a good parent i have issue giving up my right as a parent

now if you chose to dismiss my concern as a parent or my opinion on this issue fine. but it is a reality for many parents. this is a hard one for a parent

as i said in my op i would vote for this for the reasons you spoke about. i still dont like it

[seriousstan]

6. And if an abusive boyfriend wants to force his girlfriend into one

why should the parents intervene? I am sure their are many more abusive relationships between lovers than incestuous ones, but what the hell. No man/boy should have the responsibility of dealing with the supportive family of a woman he can boss around. The parent should just BUTT OUT!

[cynatnite]

8. That's really an unrealistic scenario...

After spending years in clinics and ER's I can tell you that if any type of abuse is even suspected, the police are called immediately.

Doctors and nurses are required by law to report it to the police.

That's not why I'm against parental notification. My reason is when the life of the teen is at risk. If an abortion saves the teen's life, then parental notification shouldn't be required.

Someone here at DU told me about parents who went through this situation and their daughter died as a result. This is why I changed my stance on parental notification.

[still_one]

11. really, what about abusive parents, or one where a child

doesn't get along with their parents

what if the child is raped by a boyfriend, and the parents want the child to have the child? What is more abusive

Incidently, childbirth is far more risky than an abortion, especially if it is caught early

[cynatnite]

14. The authorities are called for even the suspicion of abuse...

Doesn't matter the scenario. It's required by law.

As I said, those are not the reasons why I'm against parental notification. Don't bother educating me on childbirth. I've had three and assisted in the births of others for a long time. :)

I'm saying parental notification should not be required most especially when it's the life of the teen. However you wish to interpret it is your choice.

[still_one]

23. I understand

[BuyingThyme]

10. This item was put on the ballot to get the Fascist Right to the polls

and push the other garbage through.

California is being attacked by the Bush fascists.

[Mountainman]

12. Yesterday on KPFK I heard that a field poll showed prop 73

was losing amoung likely voters 49% against and 41% for. This poll ny not be likely voters as in the field poll.

[still_one]

13. I hope you are correct, because the Field poll is usually accurate

[carolinalady]

15. Clarification please--

I do not see the word consent only notification. There is a difference. Is there more to the proposition than what is written?

[Baconfoot]

16. It only requires notification but it also defines abortion in a CRAZY way

abortion for purposes of prop 73 is the killing of an unborn child, a child conceived but not yet born.

"child" replaces "fetus"
And when do we get these things protected? At conception.

This is a state constitutional amendment by the way.

An oh yeah, it also penalizes "coercing" a minor into having an abortion.

I'm all for people not coercing minors into having abortions but... is this a problem? Or are they hoping to target people who stand up for the right to choose by talking to pregnant teens?

[carolinalady]

17. I think that only official medical terminology should be used.

The correct term is fetus. Coerced is a subjective term. I'm not so sure this will hold up constitutionally but with the new nominee it probably will.

:eyes:

[BlueIris]

19. Vile.

And with regard to the original post: In my opinion, nothing will make deluded, anti-choice misogynists, who honestly believe that young women don't have the right to medical privacy, "understand" how repugnant, immature, disgusting and dangerous their views are. The folks supporting erosion of privacy rights, preventing young women in particular from ending pregnancies LIKE ANY OTHER MEDICAL DECISION A PERSON HAS THE RIGHT TO MAKE INDEPENDENT OF INTERFERENCE OR OPPRESSION, are the REAL murderers. Fuck them all. The anti-choice are terrorists. Their the ones I support throwing in Gitmo.

[RB TexLa]

20. Does the state of California allow non emancipated minors to contract to

have selective surgeries?

[Warren DeMontague]

21. I don't buy it.

Let's see what happens next Tuesday.

[hopeisaplace]

22. People seem to answer these questions as though

they pertain to people with "solid family relationships"..these issues come to a head in families in turmoil, when people aren't getting along..it doesn't pertain to the "Leave it to Beaver" scenario when a child feels completely safe in confiding in a parent. These solid families do exist of course, but for these families, this law is non-issue.

It amazes me how people can't look beyond their own life and think about the suffering of someone else living a life harder than they may never know.