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yy4me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:05 PM Original message |
OK, I'm annoyed,..... he or she, he or she, ... |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
1. Guess is but Quess isn't. |
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yy4me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. Well, I blew my credibility, didn't I. |
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Misunderestimator (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:15 PM Response to Reply #8 |
10. It's all good... |
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MsUnderstood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
2. have you heard of gender stereotyping |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:16 PM Response to Reply #2 |
11. Aargh! I can still remember people saying "lady doctor" |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:20 PM Response to Reply #11 |
17. About this "lady doctor..." |
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wryter2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:37 PM Response to Reply #17 |
34. Nope |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 03:12 PM Response to Reply #34 |
53. Good points about PGA/LPGA |
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wryter2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 07:08 PM Response to Reply #53 |
73. I guess my point was |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:45 PM Response to Reply #17 |
42. as in "lady fireman" I can remember hearing that too! |
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wryter2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:51 PM Response to Reply #42 |
48. Lady Lawyer |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:23 PM Response to Reply #11 |
19. And they were not talking about an OB GYN, either!!! |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:19 PM Response to Reply #2 |
16. Stubbing |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:31 PM Response to Reply #16 |
29. in writing, many now us s/he--makes it much simpler |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:36 PM Response to Reply #29 |
33. But how do you read it, if you're at a podium? |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:38 PM Response to Reply #16 |
37. Why not "ruptured their appendix"? n/t |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:42 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Because "pilot" is singular and "their" is plural |
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wryter2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:39 PM Response to Reply #16 |
38. If you know the sex, you use either he or she |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:45 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. Uh.. |
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wryter2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:49 PM Response to Reply #41 |
46. Use "pilots," instead |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:56 PM Response to Reply #46 |
50. Hey, come on in! |
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wryter2000 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 07:06 PM Response to Reply #50 |
72. I guess I was responding to the original post about being annoyed |
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MsUnderstood (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 05:05 PM Response to Reply #16 |
68. your example doesn't quite fit |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 10:48 AM Response to Reply #68 |
77. Yeah, I realized it too late |
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triguy46 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 03:04 PM Response to Reply #2 |
52. Check your local sports teams |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
3. "talking gender neutral blues" |
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Caoimhe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:14 PM Response to Reply #3 |
9. That is great!!!!! n/t |
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MADem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:25 PM Response to Reply #3 |
22. When you think about it |
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Ysolde (368 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 03:01 PM Response to Reply #3 |
51. Bravo! |
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mopinko (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 04:20 PM Response to Reply #3 |
65. that's real sisterly of you |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
4. Because male isn't the default gender |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:25 PM Response to Reply #4 |
23. that's right missy |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 03:21 PM Response to Reply #23 |
55. So might makes right? |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 04:02 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. oh I know |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 03:45 PM Response to Reply #4 |
58. Genetically, you're correct of course |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 04:40 PM Response to Reply #58 |
66. It was a joke, I say |
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Orrex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 04:42 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Hey, don't tell me to lighten up--I'm in full Testosterone-Rant Mode here! |
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melody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 05:25 PM Response to Reply #67 |
69. Don't start with me, you know how I get |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
5. Maybe we need a new word for gender neutral? |
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eyesroll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
6. It's considered sexist by many current styleguides. |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:23 PM Response to Reply #6 |
20. I like the british solution of "one" instead of "he" or "she" |
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BOSSHOG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:31 PM Response to Reply #20 |
31. One should proceed with banile alacrity, I dare suggest. |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:34 PM Response to Reply #31 |
32. yes, one should, huzzah, huzzah |
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BOSSHOG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:38 PM Response to Reply #32 |
36. And you refer to yourself |
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BOSSHOG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
7. In such instances I use "they" or "them" |
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skids (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:17 PM Response to Reply #7 |
12. Bingo. |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:18 PM Response to Reply #7 |
15. I like "they" as well |
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rateyes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:30 PM Response to Reply #15 |
28. Except that, technically speaking... |
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warrens (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:40 PM Response to Reply #7 |
39. It may be incorrect, but journalism is turning that way too |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 04:18 PM Response to Reply #39 |
64. yeah. But probably because he/she is seen as a "liberal media" plot. |
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justabob (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 04:11 PM Response to Reply #7 |
61. they/them = plural.... |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:17 PM Response to Original message |
13. he = he and she? Doesn't the "she" get lost in the shorthand? |
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damntexdem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:18 PM Response to Original message |
14. 'He or she' is fine. So is 's/he'; or 'they.' |
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Gruenemann (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:25 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. I teach my students to go plural. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:30 PM Response to Reply #21 |
26. Old English was actually closer to Old German ... |
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shanti (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 03:22 PM Response to Reply #14 |
57. i also use s/he |
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KansDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:20 PM Response to Original message |
18. Why not use "it?" |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:28 PM Response to Reply #18 |
25. Agreed. |
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sui generis (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:30 PM Response to Reply #25 |
27. unless they start a post with |
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awoke_in_2003 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 03:53 PM Response to Reply #27 |
59. Well I don't know... |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
24. Use "it". |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
30. Okay so since we are having an updated grammar thread here, |
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eyesroll (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:37 PM Response to Reply #30 |
35. I hate, hate, hate "Dear Sirs." |
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LisaLynne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:47 PM Response to Reply #30 |
44. That's been a question for me, too. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:51 PM Response to Reply #44 |
47. How about "Great Goddess blessings on you". |
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juajen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 06:25 PM Response to Reply #44 |
71. Uh, I believe that would be "Mesdames"? |
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yy4me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 11:21 AM Response to Reply #71 |
79. My intent was to change "When we were in school" to |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
43. "He" does not refer to both genders |
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yy4me (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:54 PM Response to Reply #43 |
49. I am glad you forwarded the links for me, obviously I have some |
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alcibiades_mystery (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 04:12 PM Response to Reply #49 |
62. It's not really a question of facts as of changing conventions |
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LunaC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 02:48 PM Response to Original message |
45. Just saying "the pilot" would avoid gender blunders |
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557188 (494 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 03:15 PM Response to Original message |
54. Gender Neutral Language and being progressive |
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ashling (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 03:22 PM Response to Original message |
56. A Ms. is as good as a Mrs is |
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Iris (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 04:14 PM Response to Original message |
63. Yes, it's necessary. |
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DavidBowman (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 06:07 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. Naw, baby... |
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KnowerOfLogic (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 07:15 PM Response to Reply #70 |
75. Right; tradition and rules over fairness and respect. You're a real woman. |
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DavidBowman (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 07:49 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. ZING! You got me, dogg! |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Nov-22-05 11:11 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Its not as difficult as one might think, David. |
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KnowerOfLogic (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Nov-21-05 07:10 PM Response to Original message |
74. Uh, yes, it *is* necessary; females are not referred to as 'he.' nt |
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