civil war history: Who here remembers what happened between...

[liberalitch]

sen. charles sumner and rep. Brookes?

Okay class, could the same thing happen again now?

[The Whiskey Priest]

1. They didnt have Cspan back then so I think I missed what happened.

Was this where Sumner beat Brookes with a cane....They knew how to debate back then.

[ComerPerro]

3. Yeah, that's exactly what happened

Brookes stole Sumner's IPod, and deleted all of his ITunes...

What a bastard.

[proud2BlibKansan]

7. This better not be a trashing Kansas thread

:grr:

[liberalitch]

6. other way around....

[The Whiskey Priest]

20. You mean they did have CSpan back then.....

wicked.

[NoPasaran]

2. Don't tell me

"Burning Kansas" is on the table again?!?

[burythehatchet]

4. What? Burning Kansas? I'm in.

[NoPasaran]

10. It had a different connotation 150 years ago!

[burythehatchet]

14. Oh. Very weak on American History. But can still do it?

Huh? Can we? Huh?

[liberalitch]

13. I'm gonna tell ya....

Sumner (anti-slavery) had said something nasty on the floor about Sen Butler.... brookes' uncle.
Rep. Brookes went into the senate gallery and beat sumner about the head with a cane, what made the beating so bad was that (in those days) the senate desks were bolted to the floor. Once Brookes came up behind sumner the senator could not escape. After the cane broke, brookes continued to beat sumner with both halves.
Proslavery southerners sent brookes new canes.

[NoPasaran]

25. Following that Brookes was censured

But his constituents re-elected him... he died shortly thereafter though I believe.

Sumner eventually recovered and was a prominent senator during the Civil War and after.

[Gabi Hayes]

17. uhhh, you mean bleeding Kansas?

http://www.nps.gov/fosc/bleeding.htm

[liberalitch]

22. Where john brown and his sons hacked four (or was it five) pro-slavery...

men to death with broad swords.

British newspapers called him the meteorite

[NoPasaran]

27. Yeah, bleeding/ burning... whatev

[HysteryDiagnosis]

5. Ummmmm I remember but I'm not sure it was

consentual.... then again.... :)

[catmandu57]

8. It's possible

We have some wonderful people populating put government.

[sinkingfeeling]

9. Brooks beat Sumner with a cane.

[Walt Starr]

11. Brookes caned Sumner

I doubt if it could ahppen again. If it did, there would be felony arrests, censures, etc.

[liberalitch]

15. they didn't censure schmidt...

[Walt Starr]

16. Schmidt didn't beat Murtha senseless with a cane n/t

[liberalitch]

18. nah, he should've done it to her....

then said: "My bad"
just like a ninth grader said today in the caffeteria when I said "do not put your hands around her neck"

[skygazer]

12. I've thought a lot about this lately

When Preston Brooks beat Sumner so badly with a gutta percha cane that Sumner was laid up for months, southerners sent gifts of canes to him by the bushel. I think the exact same thing would happen in the event of a physical attack between parties and that makes me both sick and fearful.

[liberalitch]

19. Why do I feel as though this sort of thing....

is a huge dark cloud looming on the horizon?

[Neil Lisst]

21. That was the landmark case of Can of Whoop Ass v. Sumner

The Holding was: I told you to knock it off!!

[liberalitch]

24. And the major reason why now senate chamber desks are no longer...

bolted to the floor

[Gabi Hayes]

23. don't forget B-1 Bob Dornan

In 1985, Congressman Tom Downey accused Dornan of yanking his tie, calling him a "draft-dodging wimp," and threatening him with bodily harm on the floor of the House.

In November 1996, Dornan reportedly shouted at William Dougherty, member of the Orange County Republican Central Committee: "You are a disgrace to your baptism! <...> You are a poor excuse for a Marine. You are a pathetic old senile man. You are a slimy coward. Go register in another party."

Evidently one of Al Franken's most favorite crazy Republicans:


FRANKEN: Bob Dornan and I once did the Politically Incorrect show together. Before we went on the air, he comes to the green room, starts spinning off this Vince Foster murder stuff, finally comes up to me, says he's a big Stuart Smalley fan. So as a result I talk to him every once in awhile. And he's totally entertaining. I abhor his politics, and he knows it. I make no bones about it. But he's actually very funny.
SALON: Is he able to laugh at himself?
FRANKEN: Well, I told this joke at the White House Correspondents Dinner a while ago. I said, "Having Al D'Amato leading an ethics investigation is like getting Bob Dornan to head up a mental health task force." So a few days later Dornan calls me up, and he tracks me down in some office in Hollywood. He says, "Al, I hear you did me in at the White House Correspondents Dinner."
"Well, I did tell a joke."

He says, "What was the joke?"

I tell him. There's this pause. Then he says, "Oh... that's okay."

http://www.nndb.com/people/549/000056381/
.................


I saw him on the mall in March 2003, the day after the war started; at an anti-anti war rally.

I stopped, talked to him---about Al Franken--and took several pictures of him, his wife, and their grandchildren. He was affable, but clearly mentally unhinged, greeting several admirers with a very strange, faraway look as he tried to give them the brush.

[Joe for Clark]

28. This is so funny,

Bob Dornan's brother was my history teacher, way back when.

The eagle does have two wings, and watch when the wings cross.

One has to respect principle, even when you do not agree with the premise.

I will always give Dornan this credit, he believed what he said. I remember him coming to my class and talking about it with him when he ran for congress. Dornan flew F-86s, so did my most democratic Dad. Dad thought he was an idiot, by-the-way.

Anyway, Dornan's brother was one of the best history teachers I ever had, all the way through graduate school.

Small world.

Joe

[Joe for Clark]

29. I am so curious,

Did anyone else here have Dick Dornan at Hale???

Joe

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

26. Brookes heroically beat him with a cane while he was helpless.

Much to the delight of the traitors in the south.