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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 01:34 AM Original message |
Air Marshals did NOT hear Alpizar say the word BOMB |
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merwin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 01:48 AM Response to Original message |
1. The media was told that he had said he had a bomb. That was the |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 01:52 AM Response to Reply #1 |
3. And every news source has the power to correct that initial report |
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G_j (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 09:17 AM Response to Reply #1 |
17. that is exactly what happened in NO |
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Supersedeas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 02:14 PM Response to Reply #1 |
40. well the media now has an obligation to correct the record...WILL THEY? |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 01:49 AM Response to Original message |
2. So there was no mention of a bomb and he was shot dead |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 01:56 AM Response to Reply #2 |
5. Whatever he said, it led them to believe he had a bomb |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 01:43 PM Response to Reply #5 |
32. if the man has an anxiety attack and is heard to say, i feel like i am |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 04:06 PM Response to Reply #32 |
59. Agree. He could have said anything. |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 02:58 PM Response to Reply #5 |
46. then, why don't they quote the dead man? |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 04:04 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. Unless a witness saw the shooting - we'll never know |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 04:21 PM Response to Reply #58 |
62. this "sense of bomb" stuff sounds like they can retrofit pretty much |
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A-Schwarzenegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 01:53 AM Response to Original message |
4. One thing I noticed was no direct quote with "bomb" in it. |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 02:01 AM Response to Reply #4 |
7. CNN has a direct quote from an representative from the Federal |
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A-Schwarzenegger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 02:10 AM Response to Reply #7 |
9. Thanks for that. |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 02:15 AM Response to Reply #9 |
10. No passengers have come forward to affirm the marshal's |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 02:58 AM Response to Reply #9 |
15. Could the "extra shots" have been echos? |
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Elidor (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 01:41 PM Response to Reply #9 |
30. "Up and down the plane's aisle..." |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 04:59 PM Response to Reply #30 |
71. The msot reliable reports |
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Media_Lies_Daily (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 04:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
66. None of the passengers interviewed so far heard the word "bomb". |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 01:28 PM Response to Reply #7 |
27. "Alpizar had run up and down the plane's aisle YELLING" |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 01:37 PM Response to Reply #27 |
28. Agreed, it seems the 'confusion' lies with the FMS given |
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The Stranger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 03:15 PM Response to Reply #7 |
50. That is from a "SPOKESMAN." |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 03:17 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Yes, from the Air Marshals Service |
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niyad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 01:59 AM Response to Original message |
6. are any of those people capable of making a simple, declarative |
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etherealtruth (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 01:49 PM Response to Reply #6 |
35. No (IMO) n/t |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 02:03 AM Response to Original message |
8. It seems at least one AMS official said exactly that and is |
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Erika (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 02:19 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. There has been No passengers who heard a bomb comment |
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leftstreet (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 02:23 AM Response to Reply #8 |
14. So the AMS spokesman has a different story than the agent in charge |
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zbdent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 09:09 AM Response to Reply #8 |
16. So why hasn't any other passengers made similar statements |
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NNN0LHI (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 02:19 AM Response to Original message |
12. La Bamba? n/t |
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Lex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 02:21 AM Response to Reply #12 |
13. You've got it! He was merely singing a song! |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
18. The feds know the first story that goes out STICKS forever |
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soothsayer (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 09:28 AM Response to Original message |
19. Remember all the misinformation with that London dude they shot? |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 09:46 AM Response to Original message |
20. a sense of a bomb |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 11:14 AM Response to Reply #20 |
21. Same here! How does one get a 'sense' of a bomb and, as well, |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 11:37 AM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Yes, it is pretty scary |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 12:08 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. I have seen people who have had too much alcohol on a plane |
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craychek (173 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
24. oy! |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 01:12 PM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Nice story, but it seems the facts are not as you describe . . . |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 09:15 AM Response to Reply #25 |
90. . |
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newspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 01:24 PM Response to Reply #24 |
26. oh yeah |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 01:45 PM Response to Reply #24 |
33. why doesn't the fact his wife was there, giving information to marshals |
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Mechatanketra (903 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 02:37 PM Response to Reply #24 |
44. Give me a f***ing break, Mr. Strawman. |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 03:06 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. Great post... |
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No DUplicitous DUpe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 03:18 PM Response to Reply #44 |
52. A funny, yet highly intelligent post...Reccomended reading! |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 03:01 PM Response to Reply #24 |
47. except your "story" has been debunked by many passengers, LOL. Nice try . |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 04:51 PM Response to Reply #24 |
67. According to the story in the Tribune |
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Tactical Progressive (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 01:22 AM Response to Reply #24 |
88. I love how the people who are most wrong |
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mmonk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 01:41 PM Response to Original message |
29. I sure hope they never sense |
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mattclearing (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 01:42 PM Response to Original message |
31. They are backpedaling because they are caught in a lie. |
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Quixote1818 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-10-05 01:34 AM Response to Reply #31 |
89. That is an old article. It's one of the first to come out. nt |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 01:46 PM Response to Original message |
34. My local paper says he thought there was a bomb on board |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 04:52 PM Response to Reply #34 |
68. Neither the Tribune nor the Orlando Sentinel |
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ananda (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 02:02 PM Response to Original message |
36. So.. we shoot people on the sense that.. |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 02:11 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Preemtive death penalty. |
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Us vs Them (725 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
37. If he REALLY did claim to have a bomb |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 02:13 PM Response to Original message |
39. What I think is happening |
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Exiled in America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
41. "don't come any closer or I'll blow this fucking airport away" |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 02:25 PM Response to Reply #41 |
42. Well, one would think the AMS reps would know what he said |
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Exiled in America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 03:39 PM Response to Reply #42 |
56. Maybe, though I don't remember the last time where an official version ... |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 02:29 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. You are just retrofitting your position here. |
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Exiled in America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 03:37 PM Response to Reply #43 |
54. Umm, what are you talking about? |
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Warren Stupidity (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 03:53 PM Response to Reply #54 |
57. You invented a new threatening statement |
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Exiled in America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 05:05 PM Response to Reply #57 |
74. No, my point was this: |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 04:54 PM Response to Reply #41 |
69. Witnesses |
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Exiled in America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 05:16 PM Response to Reply #69 |
77. One witness, as far as I know |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 05:20 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Not correct. |
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Exiled in America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 05:22 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. Thanks - that makes a big difference. |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 05:36 PM Response to Reply #80 |
81. No problem |
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LandOLincoln (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 06:06 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. Has anyone interviewed the first class passengers? |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 07:25 PM Response to Reply #83 |
84. Jorge Borelli was in the ninth row. |
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ClayZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 02:47 PM Response to Original message |
45. Were the Air Marshals "hearing voices" (Schizophrenic) |
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bettyellen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 03:03 PM Response to Reply #45 |
48. having panic attacks too, but they are the Govt, so they are allowed |
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unblock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 03:20 PM Response to Reply #45 |
53. in a sense, ya gotta wonder who are the crazies in this whole story |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 03:39 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. I haven't seen anything concrete that says the man thought |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 04:10 PM Response to Reply #55 |
60. Only what Lonny Glover attributed to one unnamed flight attendant . . . |
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Thorandmjolnir (390 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 04:13 PM Response to Reply #60 |
61. which contradicts the new version |
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Media_Lies_Daily (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 04:37 PM Response to Reply #60 |
64. One flight attendant vs seven passengers who heard nothing of the kind. |
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azmesa207 (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 04:30 PM Response to Original message |
63. Marshals did not hear the word Bomb |
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Media_Lies_Daily (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 04:40 PM Response to Reply #63 |
65. Great! That'll teach those people with a legitimate medical condition!... |
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Critters2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 04:56 PM Response to Reply #63 |
70. A situation like what?!!! |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 05:01 PM Response to Reply #63 |
73. So we train our air marshalls to shoot innocent people? |
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chat_noir (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 05:01 PM Response to Original message |
72. Local Man Tells Different Story About Shooting At Miami Airport |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 05:06 PM Response to Reply #72 |
75. "very agitated and very nervous" |
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Spazito (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 05:14 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Thanks for posting this! |
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drm604 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 08:11 PM Response to Reply #76 |
86. And, as far as I know |
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Exiled in America (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 05:21 PM Response to Reply #72 |
79. "running down the plane flailing and screaming he had a bomb" -- |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 05:54 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Witness Mary Gardner used terms "flailing" and "frantic" |
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goodhue (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 08:04 PM Response to Reply #79 |
85. also see post #8 above |
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noamnety (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-09-05 11:24 PM Response to Original message |
87. This reminds me of those musicians that had to pee |
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