Any bible/homosexuality links?

[romantico]

I'm talking to someone at work(a fundy)& the talk is getting out of hand over gay marriages.These people are using words like NAMBLA & Gyas shouldn't adopt because they want to have sex w/the children, sick kind of stuff.

Bible is being thrown in alot too.Any links to disprove that the bible is aganist homosexuality?

[MoonGod]

1. Tried here?

http://www.gaychristianonline.org/

or here?

http://www.whosoever.org/index.shtml

edit: here too...

http://dir.yahoo.com/Society_and_Culture/Religion_and_Spirituality/Faiths_and_Practices/Christianity/Cultures_and_Groups/Lesbians__Gays__and_Bisexuals/

[Liberator_Rev]

8. If it's not here, the link you want is :

http://www.LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/GayChallenge
or on the specific question of marriage for gays:
http://www.LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/about/equality4gays.html

[Rose Siding]

2. This "letter" to Dr Laura highlights the hypocracy

http://www.stallman.org/dr-laura.html

[TrogL]

3. The Religious Right - revealed

http://members.shaw.ca/trogl

and specifically

http://members.shaw.ca/trogl/bibquote.html

[romantico]

4. Hey thanks!

VERY big help!!Thanks again!

[greyl]

5. Here's a few...

www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28290

www.seas.upenn.edu/~linsch/gaybible.htm

www.mindprod.com/biblestudy.html

http://human.st/ttbr/NGay.html


Homosexual Acts

Of thousands of Old Testament passages, only two make explicit reference to homosexual acts; Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13. Both of these passages are a part of the Levitical holiness code which is not kept by any Christian group. If it were enforced, almost every Christian would be excommunicated or executed.

....
Jesus' Attitude


"In the context of the New Testament there is no record of Jesus saying anything about homosexuality. This ought to strike us as very odd in light of the great threat to Christianity, family life, and the American way that some would have us believe homosexuality is. Jesus saw injustice and religious hypocrisy as a far greater threat to the Realm of God."
....

"If they are excluded from the life of the Christian community, who then will tell them of God's inclusive love and of Jesus' reconciling death? Are they left to assume that God is so narrow-minded as to exclude them for something over which they have no control and for a choice they did not make? When will the Church finally be brave enough to say with Paul, "in Christ there is neither Jew or Greek, slave or free, male or female," gay or straight. God has enough love for all!"

www.cathedralofhope.com/homosexuality/

[Yupster]

16. Two more

In the Soddom and Gomorrhah story, angels visit Lot, and a group of townspeople surround his home at night and demand for the angels to be thrown out so the people could have homosexual sex with them.

If this is not weird enough, the almost exact same scene occurs toward the end of the Book of Judges. A very similar story.

Check those two out.

[slutticus]

6. This is really...

...funny


http://www.blogwars.com/print.php?sid=943

[Trajan]

7. Try this site ....

.......

http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com

.......

[rbnyc]

9. Start here...

...and look around.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/assault/bible/

Somewhere in there is some great stuff about the real meaning of sodomy. Don't have time to find it right now.

[karlschneider]

10. If they claim to be Christians, bet them $10,000 dollars they can't find

any mention whatsoever by the icon of their faith, Jesus. Give them whatever odds they want. Your money is safe. There are a few arcane things in the Old Testament and of course by Paul (Saul, the terrorist of Tarsus who never even met JC) but if he had considered it important, it seems like he would have a few words to say.
:eyes:

[Liberator_Rev]

11. Actually he may have said something, after all, but

far from hurting homosexuals, it serves to butress the case for homosexuality being genetic rather than acquired, and therefore impossible to condemn ( Matthew 19:)
<< 10 His disciples said to him, "If such is the case of a man with his wife, it is better not to marry."
11 But he said to them, "Not everyone can accept this teaching, but only those to whom it is given.
12 For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can."

Although TODAY "eunuch" is quite different from "homosexual", since there was no word for "homosexual" in his day, it's at least possible that he was referring to men with no inclination to marry women because they were born that way.

[Clete]

13. I always thought that was what he meant too.

[Andy_Stephenson]

12. Leviticus is where most fundies base thier arguments

If it is in this case...ask them if they are wearing mixed fiber clothes...Leviticus considers this a sin worthy of death.

[CBGLuthier]

14. The important thing isn't those passages

Ask them why they think that passage matters when they ignore all the rest of the weird, strange things in the old testament.

Like not having any contact with women when they are having their period. Or stoning people to death for mixing crops in a field.

[Blue_Chill]

15. Part of that is because of NAMBLA

Check this out from the NAMBLA web site....

The issue of love between men and boys has intersected the gay movement since the late nineteenth century, with the rise of the first gay rights movement in Germany. In the United States, as the gay movement has retreated from its vision of sexual liberation, in favor of integration and assimilation into existing social and political structures, it has increasingly sought to marginalize even demonize cross-generational love. Pederasty - that is, love between a man and a youth of 12 to 18 years of age - say middle-class homosexuals, lesbians, and feminists, has nothing to do with gay liberation. Some go so far as to claim, absurdly, that it is a heterosexual phenomenon, or even "sexual abuse." What a travesty!

Pederasty is the main form that male homosexuality has acquired throughout Western civilization - and not only in the West! Pederasty is inseparable from the high points of Western culture - ancient Greece and the Renaissance.


http://www.nambla1.de/pederasty.htm

[Liberator_Rev]

17. "Heterosexuality leads to pederasty"

People are no more justified to suggest homosexuality in the same breath as pederasty, as it would be to say "Heterosexuality leads to pederasty".
http://www.LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/about/equality4gays.html argues for an END to "special treatment" by the State for heterosexuals. The Church dictate whatever they choose for their own members, but should NOT try to dictate their beliefs to non-members by persuading the State to adopt their restrictive views.