Randi just said 6,000 missing Katrina victims are dead.

[IndyOp]

:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

I am not saying she is right, I'm just saying...

:wow: :wow: :wow: :wow:

[sasha031]

1. we have never really had a real body count

Everything has been hidden from the public. I am sure she is taking into account all those still missing, which I believe they would be dead.
Only in Amrika

[sarcasmo]

3. I don't think you will ever have a true body count.

The Cabal in the White House does not want you to know that 3,000- 6,000 died. IMHO that would be my guess of the total dead, 3,000-6,000.

[Arkana]

15. They don't care--their number is more like half that

because in Bush's brain, poor people only count as half a person each. :grr:

[walldude]

16. THat's how he came up with the Iraqi body count

add em' up and divide by 3. If poor people count as 2 poor foreigners must count as 3.

[MASSAFRA]

2. If they are missing

How do we know their condition?

If the United States does not do body counts how can Bush say there are 30,000 Iraqi casualties (more or less)?

[spotbird]

4. Aside from those still in their attics

who won't be counted before their homes are demolished and those who just aren't counted in the total for political reasons many were washed away to sea.

In October there was an announcement that only six people died in the Super Dome. We are to believe it took two months for the authorities to count six bodies? please.

[Dogmudgeon]

5. Let's pause for a moment

This isn't the first time a death count has been in error. If memory serves me, there were rumors that there were upwards of 10,000 American troops dead in Iraq; the number seems to have been based on a casualty count of all injuries to all combatants, which included minor injuries in the number, sometimes several per person.

Does anyone know what this 6000-missing figure is all about?

--p!

[TriMetFan]

9. The 6,000 are the one's that are missing.

I have to say that some were eaten by alligators and other animals or wash out to sea.:shrug:

[ultraist]

17. "Eaten by alligators, washed out sea"

And sucked down the drain pipes. They were having problems with body parts clogging up the drain parts. Who knows how many bodies were not accounted for.

[TriMetFan]

19. I agree.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

30. Nix on the aligators

they would be freaked by the rising water and they are very shy and only eat when everything looks okay to them.

[TriMetFan]

32. Well thats good to know.

:-)

[TallahasseeGrannie]

38. I actually learned that

this year taking a class on a field trip to a place with gators, right around the time of Katrina. The man said the gators probably would hide for weeks. Also, they prefer live prey.

[IndyOp]

12. The last time I downloaded names of the missing from

National Center for Missing Adults and National Center for Missing and Exploited Children there were over 5,000 missing people. Center for Missing Kids says that they believe that many of the missing kids are from 'fractured' families - the kids lived with mom and when mom and kids evacuated dad listed the kids as missing and still doesn't know where they are. Maybe this accounts for a bunch of kids, but what about the 1,000's of adults?

It is important to get the numbers right - which is why, when I post about this, I have held back from saying they were dead. Then again, in testimony given in Congress last week (or week before) Dyan French made a statement about this - paraphrasing - so many are gone, we know they are dead, why don't they just tell us they are dead so we can have closure?

I think the number dead is over 1,300 and I think that there are lots of people who would benefit from a higher number being released so I am suspicious.

:(

[TriMetFan]

18. It doesn't matter if it is 6,000 or 1,300!

That is still a lot of Americans not accounted for. Look if in Sept 8, 1900 when Galveston TX. got hit by a major hurricane they knew that they lost 6,000 people. We are talking 2005 and Bush and his Stupid people don't know how many were lost in New Orleans. What gives??? Bush just likes to lie.

[leesa]

40. He can't have the number exceed the number lost on 9-11...it can't happen.

[IndyOp]

24. Pigwidgeon asked where the number 6,000 came from and I

was giving the background I knew. I am the last one to argue that 1,300 is trivial...

:(

[TriMetFan]

27. Sorry if I was a bit harsh.

:pals:

[IndyOp]

29. No problem. The emotions this generates are *huge* - (nt)

[lovuian]

6. Nope we never got a REAL Death Toll!!!

if we did people would be shocked!!!

[SmokingJacket]

7. It's crazy that we don't have an actually list with every single

name on it. There are multiple lists, some out of date, but no central list. Because dammnit, I want that list. Those people need to be remembered.

[LSK]

8. dont you know that 9/11 must be our greatest disaster?

Afterall, its the post 9/11 world! :sarcasm:

How come nobody talks about a post Katrina world???

[Lautremont]

20. I think you've got something.

I think there really is a mindset that no disaster on American soil, and especially not a disaster made worse by the incompetence and institutional class-and-racism of the pretzelhead administration, must be allowed to surpass 9/11 in any way, lest it give the people an alarming shock of perspective. That's why (and probably the main reason why) these calculating assholes must not be looking forward to the 3,000 dead soldiers "benchmark" in Iraq.

[lies and propaganda]

21. Exactly what i was thinking...

Christ knows his brain is so 911 programmed, we saw that when he was giving a speech on Peal harbor and he said 911 instead of dec 7.
We could never have someone take away his favorite explotation, piece of shit.

[imaginary girl]

10. I only saw a clip, but I was thinking Blanco mentioned something

... about 6,000 dead during her "discussion" with Congress the other day?

[IndyOp]

25. Um - clip? C-SPAN? MSNBC? Blanco said 6,000?

Link?

[imaginary girl]

33. Well, you can see I asked it as a question ...

because I barely heard it and wasn't sure if I was remembering right ... remember thinking it was higher than I'd seen for the official toll.

But after reviewing the broadcast (http://video.msn.com/v/us/v.htm?f=00&t=m5&p=angietest&g=6fe14fa4-bc38-4bf8-8a44-aea777f70fb3), NBC Wednesday night at around 12:30, I realize that Blanco mentions losing 1100 people.

[IndyOp]

39. Thanks for the clarification - for going back to check... appreciated (nt)

[leftchick]

11. what a costrast with the Tsunami and earthquake victims

Their respective countries did not hide and fudge the numbers of dead. SICKENING!
:grr:

[melody]

13. I'm saying she's right

And there are more homeless people or people without friends or relatives to report them missing that aren't counted in that number.

In all this time, where else would they be? A minority MIGHT be lost in the system.

[ultraist]

14. Out of that 6,000 missing

There has got to be a fairly large number who are actually dead. I think we can safely assume that much at least.

They have lists of who was at what shelter and who received FEMA benefits. And these missing people aren't showing up on those lists? Very strange.

[Danieljay]

22. How could 6,000 American Citizens that "didn't count" before Katrina

Be counted now? Something to think about.

[Dogmudgeon]

23. Here's an article from USAToday

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-11-21-katrina-missing_x.htm?csp=34

It's not exhaustive, but it explains the situation as the combination of a number of problems. In some cases, the people are dead, but in most others, they simply have moved out or never moved back after having evacuated.

--p!

[IndyOp]

26. p - I've read the USA today and other

articles and I am waiting to see the numbers on the missing list drop - but shouldn't most of these folks have been in touch 'the system' by now? 6,000?

[ultraist]

28. If they filed for FEMA grants they are in the system

Yet, they still cannot account for 6,000 people.

[TallahasseeGrannie]

31. I wonder where she got her information?

Does she have an inside track in N.O.? I would imagine she wouldn't go saying that definitively if she didn't know for certain. That would be pretty irresponsible. Wonder who she has been talking to?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

34. Nobody loves death tolls more than the American media.

But not in this case.

Odd. :sarcasm:

[KharmaTrain]

35. Missing Isn't Dead

Randi tends to let her verbage and emotion get in the way of facts at times...here's another case.

6,000 are reported missing, but then there are several hundred missing in Chicago right now...a combination of actual missing, deadbeats, runaways and multiple listings. This is also the case in LA, New York and every other major city. We don't know how many of these missing were missing prior to Katrina and their names were carried over when the official list was put together.

Be it 100 deaths or 50,000, I don't see why people are fascinated with numbers. The fact that anyone died of negligence is worthy of a full-scale investigation. The fact this regime sat for four days while the city slid into desperation and bedlam still hasn't been addressed either. Those crimes don't require corpses.

For those who do have family still missing...and yes, I do believe there are those who are still missing...I'm just suspect at that number without further qualification and doucumentation...the truth will eventually come out. I suspect we'll continue to find bodies (as they still are) as they demolish buildings and remove debris...however, the focus should be on rebuilding for the living and then justice for the deceased.

[symbolman]

36. I'll bet someone with enough passion/money

could figure this out.. get all the lists, a census, voting rolls, etc and start calling family members and cross referencing..

This would win some reporter a Pulitzer prize.

Computers would make this fairly easy with enough people behind them..

[tsuki]

37. I don't know if all of them are dead, but I think the majority probably

are. They called off the search before the count could go above 3000.