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Chicago1 (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 12:16 PM Original message |
Saw Sound of Music Last night, what's esleuse? |
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supernova (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
1. Anschluss |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 01:44 AM Response to Reply #1 |
56. I went to college in Austria |
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3waygeek (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
2. Sounds like you're referring |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 12:18 PM Response to Original message |
3. I think the word is "Anschluss" |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 12:20 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. I think it means "onslaught." |
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NMDemDist2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
4. Anschluss? |
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turbo_satan (308 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 12:19 PM Response to Original message |
5. It's "Anschluss".... |
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WritingIsMyReligion (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
7. Anschluss, you mean? |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
8. For a movie that negatively portrays Nazis, there's some weird stuff in |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 12:28 PM Response to Reply #8 |
11. I guess we're all creatures of our times. At least they were beginning... |
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stray cat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 12:31 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. Edelweiss - I think it is the National Anthem for Austria |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 12:54 PM Response to Reply #12 |
16. "small and white...bless my homeland forever..." |
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BrotherBuzz (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 01:20 PM Response to Reply #16 |
24. FWIW Idelweiss was the LAST song written by Oscar Hammerstein... |
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Scout1071 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 10:12 PM Response to Reply #16 |
40. It's an alpine flower. |
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Scout1071 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 10:14 PM Response to Reply #16 |
41. weird glitch dupe/delete |
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Scout1071 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 10:16 PM Response to Reply #16 |
43. delete/dupe. |
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indie_voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 01:02 PM Response to Reply #12 |
18. It's not, but that is a common misconception |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 10:28 PM Response to Reply #18 |
47. But Edelweiss is the Austrian national flower. n/t |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 12:47 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. I think they were mostly interested in making a popular movie |
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indie_voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 01:06 PM Response to Reply #15 |
19. I agree. This script is a Harlequin Romance set to music |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 01:14 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. I loved it as a kid, and I still like it--and I hate musicals. |
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indie_voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 02:02 PM Response to Reply #21 |
28. I agree, music is great!! |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 02:13 PM Response to Reply #28 |
32. The photography at the beginning of the film is spectacular, |
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mahatmakanejeeves (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 04:42 PM Response to Reply #32 |
35. The photography at the beginning of the film ... |
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indie_voter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 10:26 PM Response to Reply #35 |
45. ITA, Wise was fantastic. n/t |
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ClassWarrior (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 03:19 PM Response to Reply #15 |
34. Read the book "The Constant Gardener." You'll come away with... |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 10:26 PM Response to Reply #15 |
46. There are plenty of Holocaust movies. This was a different story, about |
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Chautauqua (123 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 12:42 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. You might want to reframe that premise |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 12:58 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. Yep. |
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Enraged_Ape (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 01:09 PM Response to Reply #14 |
20. I don't know if I really agree with that |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 01:15 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. Right. The Rolf factor was a very strong and important |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 01:19 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Those two examples say more about Von Trapp's attitude towards nation |
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janx (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 02:07 PM Response to Reply #23 |
30. Von Trapp was watching his nation being taken over by the |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 05:02 PM Response to Reply #23 |
37. No, he meant he was "one of them": a NAZI. Not a German. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 05:00 PM Response to Reply #14 |
36. Not at all! Look at Rolf |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 10:15 PM Response to Reply #14 |
42. Completely disagree. |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 12:24 AM Original message |
They are definitely portrayed negatively. The issue is HOW |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 09:24 AM Response to Original message |
60. I think you have mistaken the Holocaust for the only story about Nazis |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 09:40 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. No I haven't. And, in fact, that's my point. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 09:43 AM Response to Reply #62 |
63. I continue to disagree. :-) |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:30 AM Response to Reply #63 |
79. To 1960s audiences, the Holocaust was definitely a part of the story of |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:35 AM Response to Reply #79 |
84. But it's not a part of this family story. I'm reminded of the folks |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 12:24 AM Response to Reply #42 |
54. dupe |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 01:48 AM Response to Reply #14 |
58. If the captain wanted to be a Nazi |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:31 AM Response to Reply #58 |
81. Read the rest of the thread. |
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Terran (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 09:55 AM Response to Reply #14 |
66. That's totally incorrect. |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:31 AM Response to Reply #66 |
80. My first post says that this movie is anti-Nazi. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:33 AM Response to Reply #80 |
82. The movie is anti nazi in ways that are organic to the story of the |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:35 AM Response to Reply #82 |
86. BTW, I liked the way X-Men "shoehorns" a criticism of genocide |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:42 AM Response to Reply #86 |
90. But it doesn't. It is A. Telling Magneto's story which was told in the |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:49 AM Response to Reply #90 |
92. I don't understand your first paragraph. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:51 AM Response to Reply #92 |
94. If Sound of Music isn't about fascism, why are you so invested in it |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:57 AM Response to Reply #94 |
95. I think you think you're cornering me into arguments that I haven't |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 11:01 AM Response to Reply #95 |
98. Your point was that the holocaust was strategically marginalized so |
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NashVegas (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 02:10 PM Response to Reply #8 |
31. Max Is No Different |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 03:16 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Well, there's a stereotype in there. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 05:04 PM Response to Reply #33 |
38. Yeah, a Hollywood stereotype |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 10:07 PM Response to Reply #38 |
39. I think that's what the movie is trying to do. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 10:19 PM Response to Reply #39 |
44. I think this just proves you can project racism of some sort onto |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 11:28 PM Response to Reply #44 |
50. Wait a minute. I'm not calling the movie racist. I like this movie. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 11:34 PM Response to Reply #50 |
51. Perhaps I misunderstood -- here's what I understood from your posts: |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 12:19 AM Response to Reply #51 |
52. I'm saying that this movie is NOT "The Diary of Anne Frank: The Muscial" |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 09:22 AM Response to Reply #52 |
59. Thank you - again, sorry for misunderstanding. But I still continue to |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 09:49 AM Response to Reply #59 |
64. I agree. BTW, nobody HAD to make a movie about this family. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 09:53 AM Response to Reply #64 |
65. Sure. But this story is more than enough as it is. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:19 AM Response to Reply #51 |
72. You have it dead right, Mondo Joe |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:22 AM Response to Reply #72 |
75. One of the hardest things in the world is to get people to think |
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NervousRex (958 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:41 AM Response to Reply #39 |
89. WASP? |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:49 AM Response to Reply #89 |
93. Bingo. Just more of the misiniformation dropped through this thread - |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 11:00 AM Response to Reply #89 |
96. They're definitely Catholic. Maria was a nun in a catholic order. WARC, it |
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choie (899 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 12:50 AM Response to Reply #38 |
55. Oy! Max ain't no Jew. |
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LostinVA (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:17 AM Response to Reply #55 |
70. Thanks, Choie -- I didn't think I was that obtuse! |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:21 AM Response to Reply #55 |
73. Andrea Most of the University of Toronto has a book about |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 10:31 PM Response to Reply #33 |
48. As written by two Jews (Rodgers & Hammerstein) which stereotype |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 12:20 AM Response to Reply #48 |
53. One that they knew would make their audiences not too uncomfortable. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 09:27 AM Response to Reply #53 |
61. It's a dramatized story about a real family. |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:18 AM Response to Reply #61 |
71. I'm not saying that it isn't enough. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:21 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. Yes, we can both like it and disagree. And my disagreement would |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:24 AM Response to Reply #74 |
76. That's one of the first points I made in this thread. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:26 AM Response to Reply #76 |
78. Can't admit the movie does what specifically? |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:33 AM Response to Reply #78 |
83. ...is sort of an American Heimat film. |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:38 AM Response to Reply #83 |
88. The Holocaust isn't the only "hard stuff", nor the only WWII story. |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 11:01 AM Response to Reply #88 |
97. This hasn't been hard work at all. |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:24 AM Response to Reply #74 |
77. That's one of the first points I made in this thread. |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:00 AM Response to Reply #48 |
67. Btw, here's an interesting blog on SOM: |
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mondo joe (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:08 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. That must have surprised his Jewish parents. |
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1932 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:15 AM Response to Reply #68 |
69. yeah. |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 01:45 AM Response to Reply #8 |
57. And what's with the Germans wanting the captain so badly |
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LibertyLover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:36 AM Response to Reply #57 |
87. Because when Capt. von Trappe served in the Austrian Navy |
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Chicago1 (560 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
9. Thank you to all. |
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merbex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 12:28 PM Response to Original message |
10. My husband and I watched it last night |
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mahatmakanejeeves (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 12:40 PM Response to Reply #10 |
13. Great movie |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 01:48 PM Response to Reply #13 |
27. I don't agree with the negative things said about the movie. |
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Enraged_Ape (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 10:54 PM Response to Reply #27 |
49. Well said. Thanks for that. |
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no_hypocrisy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 01:24 PM Response to Original message |
25. SOM reality check |
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Berry Cool (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 02:07 PM Response to Reply #25 |
29. The crossing-the-mountains bit is a well-known geographical flub |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:35 AM Response to Reply #29 |
85. Small quibble....Clark Gable didn't wear dentures in GWTW. |
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LibertyLover (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-19-05 10:46 AM Response to Reply #29 |
91. Leaving Austria |
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mandomom (327 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-18-05 01:36 PM Response to Original message |
26. anschluss: the takeover by Hitler's forces |
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