Washington Journal, C-SPAN...WSJ Editorial, "Thank You for Wiretapping"

[in_cog_ni_to]

THANK YOU FOR WIRETAPPING???? P-R-A-V-D-A???? Anyone??? THANK YOU FOR WIRETAPPING? WTF is going on with our journalists? Where are they? When will someone step forward? Will the NYT leak the people who were spied on to prove these bastards are CROOKS? Do they have the names? Are these people ever going to be held accountable for all the illegal things they have done?

Of course it's fascist Peter who is doing the "discussion" on this editorial. :eyes: Wasn't he on yesterday??? Enough already! :grr:

[Jeanette in FL]

1. The republican Lady who was just on

Spouting the lines that "they" can wire tap me and day of the week. She claims that there must be a lot of guilty consciences out there for all these people to be upset with domestic spying. Of course then she brings up the FBI files that were found with the Clintons. They are getting some real looney's today.

[in_cog_ni_to]

3. They get real looney's everyday!

Those people are so ignorant, it's no wonder we are in the crisis we now find ourselves! THEY ARE CLUELESS!

[Bill McBlueState]

51. they sure do

In order to take an equal number of pro-Bush and anti-Bush callers, they have to dig *pretty* deep into the dumbass heap.

[SammyWinstonJack]

5. Repugs always use that moronic argument and yet I am will to

bet, they'd be screaming their collective heads off if Clinton even tried to pull this crap, and they know it, guilty consciences or not.

[Cassandra]

40. They think since they don't make international calls...

that they are safe in their provincialism.

[Skidmore]

2. "I'd rather be alive that have my civil rights" (paraphrase)

There have been at least two callers say this.

By creating an aw-shucks good ole boy personal for this cold blooded killer, the * handlers have created a scenario in which criticism of policy is seen as a personal attack on this poor kindly soul who only has our interests at heart. We need to go for the jugular. It will be ugly but, just like the monsters in the movie who lose their human pods, the public will at least be able to recognize the ugly truth.

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. The one that scared me was the supposed Democrat who said the Dems

are in a bad position. No matter what they do, they come out of this looking bad. If we stop the wiretapping and remove the idiot from office and we get attacked again (which the cabal WILL DO), we can't win because the people will rally around the idiot again. I hope he's wrong. I hope MOST of the people can see through the bullshit and see how EVIL and CORRUPT these people are, but JUST LISTEN TO THESE CALLERS! They scare the hell out of me with their ignorance.

[The2ndWheel]

4. WSJ, power talking to power

Wow, shocking...nothing will happen. Patriot Act or no, spying will continue.

"Are these people ever going to be held accountable for all the illegal things they have done?"

Why would they start now? The same people who are spying(John Poindexter) were creating death sqauds for expendable Latin Americans.

[bigbrother05]

18. Ding, ding, ding, ding.....We have a winner!!!

John Poindexter, the convicted (Poppy pardoned) Iran-Contra spook was put into DARPA in Feb 2002 to head a group (Info Awareness Office, I think) to develop an all knowing all seeing system that would scan everything. Phones, radios, emails, credit records, library records, everything looking for patterns or phrases deemed "interesting" for good old Rummy. Congress killed the program and the good Admiral faded from sight. Rummy commented at the time that they would just have to get the info some other way.

[Jawja]

6. Yes, I'm listening to CSPAN callers

on "Washington Journal" and I am terrified about what I'm hearing from callers. One actually said that he was more "worried about being attacked than his civil liberties" and another caller "he can tap my phone any time he wants." It's frightening to hear people so completely buy into the "lurking killers" meme.

The Presidential Oath of Office and the 4th Amendment to the Constitution are very clear. It's black and white; not grey with "presidential authority." It's frightening to see publications like "The Wall Street Journal" so blatantly support this violation of the 4th Amendment.

on edit: I imagine there were powerful newspapers in Germany in the 1930's whose editorial boards strongly supported Adolf Hitler, too. Shame on the "Wall Street Journal" for defending this little thug.

[slor]

8. I really am horrified...

that so many people are so willing to "sheepify" themselves. I would have never guessed that so many Americans are flat-out cowards. And to give it all up...our civil liberties, to have this particular blathering idiot feign the ability to protect us, well, that is just really scary!

[MiniMe]

9. These people don't get what the issue is.

The issue is not whether the government can issue wiretaps, it is whether they can do it without a court order or judicial review. FISA allows for emergency taps as long as they get judicial review within 72 hours. If the wiretaps are justified, there should be no problems with judicial review.

[cantstandbush]

35. Didn't read about the illeteracy rates in this country? And most

Americans who have the ability to read don't and therefore are ignorant of history altogether. The end of the "cold war" dumbed this nation down significantly. And nothing will turn it around. We have had our civilization. It is now time for use to recede into the dustbin of history as all other criminal, arrogant, and corrupt civilizations have done in the end.

[bigbrother05]

10. What happened to their international line?

[in_cog_ni_to]

12. I don't know. I think they have it only on issues

of International importance? Not for "domestic" issues?

[KharmaTrain]

55. Weekends Only

C-SPAN puts their show on the British House of Commons channel on the weekends and that's when they take "International calls"

For most these people...International means outside of Texas

[Skidmore]

11. We have a law enforcement person who has just talked himself

around from believing in checks on the system to the idea that the goverment has the right to "monitor" in the space of 2 minutes.

[qanda]

13. The Republicans who are calling in

Are some scary folks! I just don't get how they can support Bush doing this.

[in_cog_ni_to]

15. Yet, they would be the FIRST to SCREAM if THEIR NEIGHBOR

called them "terrorists" and their phones were tapped. They NEVER look at the big picture. They always "just go along with the RW program" because they're incapable of thinking for themselves. They have to wait to hear what Limpballs TELLS THEM TO THINK. They aren't called SHEEPLE for nuthin'! ;)

[The2ndWheel]

14. The articles they're reading

Frank Gaffney, Bill Kristol, and Gary Schmitt in support of spying. Not shocking, but you don't hear from Gary too often.

[in_cog_ni_to]

That's because it's PETER hosting. Republican shill.

Hence, "Fascist Peter"...;)

[The2ndWheel]

27. That may be

But I was focusing on Schmitt. I watched "The Oil Factor" the other day, and he was interviewed on there. If anyone doesn't know it, it's an documentary about the imperial path we're on. Gary Schmitt, the Executive Director of PNAC was fairly open about what they want to do. They also interviewed Schmitt on Nightline, the one time a major media outlet has ever touched PNAC. They just don't care. They're open about it, just like Bush was over the weekend. They simply do not give a damn. This is their chance, and they're going for it. They won't stop, law or no law.

[H2O Man]

16. Victoria Toensing vs James Bamford

on now.

[Jeanette in FL]

20. This should be very interesting

Victoria has already said that laws regarding domestic spying is "antiquated" just like Gonzales' "quaint" Geneva convention.

[Skidmore]

23. I'll bet she was one of the lawyers * consulted.

[H2O Man]

32. It's one of the

republican talking points. It should be put to rest very easily. The question is not one of technology -- for indeed, there were not telephones when the constitution was authored -- it is about constitutional rights.

[leftchick]

22. When did Bill Clinton violate the FISA act???

is vickie lying again? James does not think he did.

[Jeanette in FL]

28. She always does that

She just throws something out there without documentation. Peter did try to get her to site when.

[H2O Man]

31. Years ago,

when part of my job included interviewing forensic clients, I learned to almost totally ignore when they brought up irrelevant information in an attempt to distract focus from the issue at hand. James is doing pretty well at keeping the discussion on track. He might do well to say that she keeps attempting to distract the discussion about Bush's violating the law.

[leftchick]

43. when he gets a word in

what a challenge, peter, victoria and almost all repuke callers! He has done a fine job of going back to the issue.

[H2O Man]

44. He just called her on it.

She is a very bad human being.

[tishaLA]

47. I even wasted time looking this up

And--surprise!--not a fucking thing. She just goes on TV and lies her badly-colored hair off. What a pathetic piece of shit.

[leftchick]

53. James did get in something about it not being true

I just barely caught him say someone approved whatever she was referring to. Lying witch!

[The2ndWheel]

17. Victoria Toensing

http://www.defenddemocracy.org/biographies/biographies.htm

They're everywhere, all the time.

[in_cog_ni_to]

25. Her "fame" came from her involvement in the 8 year witch hunt

of Bill Clinton. She and her husband BOTH were involved in that in a HUGE way. They attended the Washington DC parties that celebrated Clinton's impeachment. Damn wench. :grr:

[Cassandra]

38. And she managed to accuse Clinton...

of abusing FISA, while being very vague about what happened. BITCH!

[leftchick]

19. vickie vickie vike you ignorant witch

gawd I hate her! She keeps interrupting James and it is infuriating me. :argh:

[Skidmore]

21. Wonder if my husband is watching this morning. He absolutely

detests her. Once when she came on, he didn't just turn off the teevee, he turned it around to face the wall after shutting it off.

[leftchick]

24. lol

that is extreme but I love it! :)

[in_cog_ni_to]

26. ROTFLMAO!

:rofl: I know EXACTLY how he feels! I HATE that woman!:grr:

[leftchick]

29. IS PETER ONLY TAKING REPUKE CALLS?????

:argh:

[qanda]

33. It seemed that way

He should now take three Democrats' calls in a row.

[in_cog_ni_to]

30. OMG! She needs to STFU and stop interrupting! That's the RW

modus operandi! Interrupt, interrupt, interrupt...stop THEIR point from getting out and then make YOURS known. They do it all the time...ALL of them!:grr:

[mmonk]

34. The WSJ and the people who are calling in

in support of the police state are our most formidable enemy and are enemies of the United States of America, you do know that don't you? Anyone who is against the constitution of the United States IS against the United States and ALL those who have ever fought and died defending it. We ARE REQUIRED to take our country back and defend it from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Is there anyone besides me here who has taken the pledge to protect and defend the constitution? We are being called.

[H2O Man]

39. I agree.

"Perhaps it is universal truth," Madison wrote to Franklin on May 13, 1798, "that the loss of liberty at home is to be charged to provisions against danger, real or pretended, from abroad."

Or, as Walt Whitman wrote in "Notes for Lecturers on Democracy and 'Adhesiveness'", "There is no week nor day nor hour when tyranny may not enter upon this country, if people lose their supreme confidence in themselves, - and lose their roughness and spirit of defiance - Tyranny may always enter - there is no charm, no bar against it - the only bar against it is a large resolute breed of men."

[in_cog_ni_to]

36. OK. THAT-IS-IT!!! That woman just complimented Toensing on her Clarity???

Stop me before I hurt myself!!!!! I CANNOT take these people and their inability to understand WTF is going on here!:cry:

[Sydnie]

37. Vivkie - If you don't have probable cause, you don't have a case -

keep digging and watching and get enough to support probable cause.

[leftchick]

41. vickie has eaten up more than half of the air time

with her hot fucking air! I hate that peter does not rein her in! :argh:

Poor James sits their like the gentleman that he is. :(

[Skidmore]

42. The REPUBLICAN CONGRESS didn't see a need for a new law,

you ignorant cow!!! Why would they want to do any that interferred with their fearless leader and their power?

[lindac07]

48. vickie, vickie, vickie..........

Wasn't she the one screaming about the RULE of LAW back in the 90's? Now, if a Republican doesn't like the law, go around it. She's so full of shit, her eyes are brown. And why can't she site the case where she claims that Bill Clinton violated FISA law. She should get her damn facts straight before she spews her crap.

[in_cog_ni_to]

45. Ha! Freeper with "pregnant wife" scenario just lost THAT IGNORANT

argument! GEEEEEEZUS!!!! FISA allows a pregnant woman to speed. There are special circumstances under FISA.

[H2O Man]

49. That was so funny!

The poor fellow thought he was putting Bamford in check mate. Instead, he put himself in that position.

[leftchick]

46. aaaarrrrgggghhhhh

i really really really dislike that thing with red hair. :argh:

[in_cog_ni_to]

50. She is the most HORRID thing! Rude, mouthy, lying WENCH!

:nuke::grr::nuke::grr:

[leftchick]

52. she is unamerican

she stands for everthing that is wrong in this country! :grr:

[ProfessorGAC]

54. We Are Becoming A Nation Of Cowards

As long as we're secure, it's ok to have the gov't spying. I actually heard three people say or imply that this morning!

And, i've got another question on this: Silverspoon says this wiretapping has prevented attacks. Isn't this the same guy who ADMITTED we were wrong about Iraq and WMD; wrong about Iraq and al Qaeda; wrong about how the post combat recovery would go; wrong about the warnings preceeding 9/11? So, why would anyone think that they are any better at either managing new attacks or at telling the truth now? I mean, they ADMITTED they were wrong before.
The Professor

[hatrack]

56. It's the WSJ Editorial Page - why are you surprised?

The WSJ is a great newspaper, except for its editorial board, which is the biggest loony pen this side of Sun Young Moon or David Koresh.

[in_cog_ni_to]

57. I'm not surprise by the editorial, THE CONTENT of that editorial

BLOWS MY MIND! Thank You for wiretapping? THANK YOU FOR WIRETAPPING??????!@#$%$#@! I'm still trying to pick my jaw up off the floor! THANK YOU FOR WIRETAPPING?(*&^%#$*&^

[hatrack]

58. Yeah, it's like Julius Streicher is now the managing editor

No, strike that - make it Josef Goebbels, since he was far smoother and more sophisticated.

Striecher would be working at the Manchester Union-Leader, I suspect . . .