Is GW Bush spying on us here at DU?

[Parche]

Of course, their argument is not that the president has the inherent power to authorize domestic surveillance anytime he wants, only that he has that power during wartime. And as near as I can tell, that's the elephant in the room that no one is really very anxious to discuss: What is "wartime"? Is George Bush really a "wartime president," as he's so fond of calling himself? Conservatives take it for granted that he is, while liberals tend to avoid the subject entirely for fear of being thought unserious about the War on Terror. But it's something that ought be brought up and discussed openly.


Which one of us is he spying on?

[datasuspect]

he's spying on you

they know where you live.

[ThomWV]

17. Its Not Spying .... But there is a hugh BUT

It certainly isn't spying to monitor this or any other web page. But you cross over into another world when the people who monitor then take the steps to find out who the people posting are. That my friend is where laws start to be broken if the court is no involved to act as the shield for the everyday citizen.

[rucky]

1. Actually, God is spying on us and reporting to GW.

or maybe it's Santa Claus. He always gets those two confused.

[datasuspect]

4. in related news, the tooth fairy was seen in afghanistan

giving satellite phones to al qaeda.

and now we coming into day of 153 of the "missing easter bunny."

[sui generis]

14. I ate the easter bunny

it was like, totally, an accident. sorry. my bad. :blush:

[datasuspect]

15. damn you!

you coulda saved me an ear or something.

[acmejack]

19. A "Lucky" foot would have been nice.

That has always confused me, it dang sure wasn't very lucky for it's original owner.

[MN ChimpH8R]

2. I am sure some of the more outspokenly anti-Chimp folks' names

are in Chimpco's files. Mine is probably one of them.

[edbermac]

3. If he is, I have just one thing to say to him...

[Catherine Vincent]

8. LOL!

:thumbsup:

[freethought]

9. Let's all post pictures of each of us flippin' him the bird. n/t

[bowens43]

5. I hope so.......

fuck you bush , you ignorant, arrogant little asshole.

[TechBear_Seattle]

6. Monitoring a public chat board is NOT spying

Spying requires that a person's "reasonable expectation of privacy" is being violated without having been notified of that, or when it is being violated over the person's objections. The government monitoring of these posts (is there any doubt at all that agents of the Republican governemnt is not monitoring these posts?) can not be classified as spying as there is no expectation that posts are private.

The real question is whether the government is tracking down individuals, hacking the aliases or strong-arming ISPs to obtain the real identities of posters, and putting copies of "questionable" posts in the government files of said individuals as potential "threats to America and her safety."

[tx_dem41]

7. No. n/t

[demnan]

10. Hell no!

He's too lazy to do that, he's paying someone to spy on you - with your tax dollars.

[LiberalEsto]

11. You'd better watch out, you'd better not lie

He's watching you with his simian eyes
Georgie Boy is spying on you!

[In Truth We Trust]

12. ABSOFUCKINGLUTELY!

[JuniperLea]

13. I hope so

Because I'd like to say...

FUCK YOU DUMBASS! I hope you rot in hell! I hope we all live long enough to see Karma come bite you in the ass! I hope every evil deed you've done, every lie you've told, every man, woman and child's suffering you have caused comes back to torture you seven-fold!

Cumstain.

There. I feel better... for now.


Back to your regular scheduled programming.

[sui generis]

20. juniper!

:rofl:

I thought you were a bit more "reserved"! :hi:

[JuniperLea]

21. I have my limits... must have been the Irish spunk coming out:)

The bile rises in my throat every time I think of that creep and all the suffering he has caused, here, and all over the world.

I'm pretty much a pacifist, but I wholeheartedly support the workings of Karma. Best part of it is, you know it's going to happen and you don't have to do a damn thing to help it along;)

[Just Me]

23. Heck. You made ME feel a wee better from that post!!!

:rofl:

[dusmcj]

16. monitoring the web ? Surely not!

I'm sure that they never ever trawl the content here and filter it for threats and "subversion", nor do they ever demand logs from the ISPs along the way (including DU's) for the IP addresses originating connections, and I'm sure they would never try for example to link screen names to contribution records.

The answer on a political level is "oh, another violation of the Constitution, I'll make a few calls". On a personal level, the answer would seem to me to be "who cares, now go fuck off".

What it comes down to is, as long as you're not doing anything illegal, if someone wants to pull a J.Edgar and jack off while wearing the opposite gender's clothes (I was trying to be diverse, but nothing quite matches the image of a fat balding middle-aged Irishman wearing a garterbelt and hose) and reading your URL traces, credit card bills and phone records, well hell, let them. No sense in partaking of the culture of sexual stinginess they represent. Of course if they try to use the illegitimately obtained information to coerce you in some way, then it's no longer OK. But if it's all a bunch of mental masturbation on their part, who cares, let them coat themselves in their own goo, metaphorically speaking.

[leeroysphitz]

18. Is GW Bush spying on us here at DU?

What? Personnaly? I doubt it. Way too much READING for him.

[spanone]

22. We have 'declared' war on no one.

[gauguin57]

24. Mister Bush ...

... Merry Kiss-My-Ass-mas!

[Warren DeMontague]

25. Not unless he's having Condi read it out loud to him.

He has trouble with.. how shall I put this? Reading.

[Parche]

28. condi

All she wants for Christmas is her 2 front teeth.......................

[Cleetus]

26. all I know

I'm a frequent flier. I'm also an outspoken liberal.

All I know it that every single time I get on a plane some TSA puke is *guaranteed* to pull me off to the side, open my carry on and sqeeze my nuts. Honestly, I can not remember te last time I boarded a plane and was not checked out by the TSA.

Coincidence, you tell me. One thing I can say for sure, juniors NSA thing came as no surprise to me. I expected he was spying all the time.

[...of J.Temperance]

27. No...what would be the point? I say no he's not n/t