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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 01:04 PM Original message |
Evolution vs literal biblical interpretation: No Peace/No Surrender |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
1. They are allowed to give their kids notes to get out of Sex Ed classes so |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 01:15 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Pg 47 of Judge Jones' decision:... |
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GreenPartyVoter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 01:20 PM Response to Reply #2 |
4. The alternative is a lot of kids getting sent out of the room when ID is |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 08:09 AM Response to Reply #4 |
6. That would be one alternative... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:44 PM Response to Reply #1 |
17. Because Biology is required on a transcript to get in to college |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 01:19 PM Response to Original message |
3. Well, then polyester conflicts with their biblical literalism, too. |
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chaplainM (744 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 03:28 PM Response to Original message |
5. Other classroom threats to Biblical literalism |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 08:11 AM Response to Reply #5 |
7. I'm also reminded of stopping the sun over Jericho... |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 08:15 AM Response to Reply #5 |
9. Pi does not equal 3 is my favorite example |
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Xipe Totec (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 04:05 PM Response to Reply #9 |
27. Except in a suitably curved space |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:50 AM Response to Reply #5 |
207. But also in the Bible |
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ComerPerro (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 08:14 AM Response to Original message |
8. By that reasoning, though, any view at all that isn't taught |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:02 AM Response to Reply #8 |
10. I think material left out... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 09:58 PM Response to Reply #10 |
56. No science classes teach that God is a mythological invention. |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 07:09 PM Response to Reply #56 |
65. From the Kitzmiller case... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 07:18 PM Response to Reply #65 |
67. If thats the inference they make from the FACTS, that's their problem. |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 07:38 PM Response to Reply #67 |
71. I think I've read enough of your opinion about religion... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 07:49 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. Shit, dude. |
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The Flaming Red Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 09:40 PM Response to Reply #67 |
94. If they want religion taught, take classical western lit, poetry or art |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 03:01 AM Response to Reply #67 |
210. It isn't God |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:59 AM Response to Reply #65 |
209. It doesn't with me |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:58 AM Response to Reply #56 |
208. Yes |
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countingbluecars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:19 AM Response to Reply #8 |
11. Yes,and if they are such biblical purists |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:49 PM Response to Reply #8 |
18. Hey Comer! |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
12. Recommended. |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:06 PM Response to Reply #12 |
19. Thank you... |
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drthais (771 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:21 PM Response to Reply #19 |
190. but we are speaking here of a scientific theory, |
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WhereIsMyFreedom (605 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 09:52 PM Response to Reply #19 |
197. Amish versus Mennonites |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 09:24 AM Response to Reply #197 |
219. Thank you for the lesson... |
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ChairmanAgnostic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 08:50 AM Response to Reply #19 |
218. but mennonites acknowledge the existence of science, they choose |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 09:30 AM Response to Reply #218 |
220. If literalists had other options they might not need to take... |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
13. Very few people are "opposed" to Evolution. At Issue Is Darwinism |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 11:00 AM Response to Reply #13 |
15. "unjustifiable bias"? |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:11 PM Response to Reply #13 |
20. Would I be correct in assuming... |
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Ediacara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 11:06 PM Response to Reply #20 |
200. Materialism in this context is synonymous with "reality-based" |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 09:32 AM Response to Reply #200 |
221. at this point... |
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Ediacara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 11:18 AM Response to Reply #221 |
245. She and I have clashd over this very subject in the past |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 11:42 AM Response to Reply #245 |
250. Deleted message |
Ediacara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 11:53 AM Response to Reply #250 |
252. Well since you keep insisting that demonstrably incorrect ideas are in... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 06:10 PM Response to Reply #13 |
35. Baloney. "At Issue" is SCIENCE, and the SCIENTIFIC METHOD. |
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SidDithers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 12:57 AM Response to Reply #35 |
103. Now THAT, Ladies and Gentlemen, is a good effing post... |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:36 AM Response to Reply #35 |
122. Small quibble: The Catholic Church has no problem with Evolution. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:50 PM Response to Reply #122 |
170. I know. Which makes it all the more mind-boggling |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 04:17 PM Response to Reply #35 |
153. if I may note, that you have more histrionics in your argument |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:56 PM Response to Reply #153 |
171. There is a difference between 'dismissing' the non-material |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:02 PM Response to Reply #153 |
173. Oh, and one more thing... |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 03:03 AM Response to Reply #173 |
211. sorry, no can do |
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beam me up scottie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 02:44 AM Response to Reply #13 |
63. Here we go again with the "atheistic" version of evolution bullshit. |
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Ediacara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 04:30 PM Response to Reply #13 |
158. There is no such thing as "Darwinism" |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
14. my son is in fifth grade and has yet to have evolution in his science |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:21 PM Response to Reply #14 |
21. Have you considered... |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:42 PM Response to Reply #21 |
195. They are also not supposed to be supported by tax monies. |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 09:37 AM Response to Reply #195 |
222. certainly part of the solution... |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
16. I think that is a case for the fundies to |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:29 PM Response to Reply #16 |
22. About choice... |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:35 PM Response to Reply #22 |
23. Yep. Perfectly fair. |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:38 PM Response to Reply #22 |
24. By the way "limiting" their protections is the same concept |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 05:23 PM Response to Reply #24 |
28. About inhibiting religion... |
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bklyncowgirl (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 10:49 AM Response to Reply #22 |
234. The flip side is that if non-literalists want their kids to learn biology. |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 03:05 PM Response to Original message |
25. The 'literalists' can only evolve or destroy themselves. That's irony! |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 05:39 PM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Not quite irony yet ;-) ... |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 06:34 PM Response to Reply #30 |
39. What conditions? Sophistry run rampant, I guess. |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 06:47 PM Response to Reply #39 |
41. Sorry, I've confused you. I'll try again... |
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JayWyss (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 03:36 PM Response to Original message |
26. A great book... |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 05:42 PM Response to Reply #26 |
31. Thanks for the suggestion, but I must ask... |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 05:29 PM Response to Original message |
29. I have no problem w/teaching creationism in a religion/philosophy class |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 05:44 PM Response to Reply #29 |
32. With that in mind... |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 05:59 PM Response to Reply #32 |
33. If a school-board outlawed religious clubs or banned Bibles |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 06:08 PM Response to Reply #33 |
34. "keep curriculum neutral"... |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 06:23 PM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Do you mean science? |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 06:38 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. "Religion and philosophy only enter the equation when you teach... |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 06:56 PM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Amazingly enough, I have seen people who do just that |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 07:13 PM Response to Reply #42 |
43. "They teach curriculum impartially..." |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 07:25 PM Response to Reply #43 |
45. Straw-man |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 08:21 PM Response to Reply #45 |
47. "You tell the kid...their beliefs are mistaken"... |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 08:39 PM Response to Reply #47 |
49. and let's finish that sentence..."according to where the evidence points" |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 09:27 PM Response to Reply #49 |
51. and who determines what constitutes "evidence"? ... |
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Charlie Brown (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 09:30 PM Response to Reply #51 |
52. Well, we'll agree to disagree |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 09:37 PM Response to Reply #52 |
54. And a Merry Christmas to you, Mr Brown nt |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:54 PM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Bull. People can home school their children, and often do. |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 06:57 PM Response to Reply #58 |
64. So if a Constitutional Ammendment came along... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 07:10 PM Response to Reply #64 |
66. Your argument is just plain inane. |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 07:32 PM Response to Reply #66 |
68. perhaps a liberal will step forward... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 07:44 PM Response to Reply #68 |
74. How the %*&@*(&%*( do you propose something like natural history be taught |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:27 PM Response to Reply #68 |
191. Uh...what makes you think this has something to do with only |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 07:37 PM Response to Reply #64 |
70. So, is it "progressive" to argue that the Holocaust shouldn't be taught |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 07:40 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. I think I've read enough of your opinion about religion... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 07:45 PM Response to Reply #73 |
75. Oh, that's a nice way |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 03:31 PM Response to Reply #73 |
143. You already said that. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 03:37 PM Response to Reply #143 |
146. I've read enough of this guy's writing |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 03:43 PM Response to Reply #143 |
148. If you wish to tell me the breed of liberalism... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:50 PM Response to Reply #148 |
169. You're still trying to call the teaching of scientific truth "persecution" |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 08:32 AM Response to Reply #148 |
214. There is no "breed of liberalism" that persecutes people of faith. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 10:10 AM Response to Reply #214 |
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countingbluecars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 10:26 AM Response to Reply #224 |
229. You may not be a radical right winger, |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 10:30 AM Response to Reply #229 |
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countingbluecars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 11:00 AM Response to Reply #231 |
240. Just calling it like I see it. |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 11:18 AM Response to Reply #240 |
244. I think you go beyond -that-... |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 11:36 AM Response to Reply #244 |
248. So--you're just using the Religious Right arguments to plead your case? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 11:54 AM Response to Reply #248 |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 12:04 PM Response to Reply #253 |
254. So--if I don't continue stalking you, I admit I'm a disruptor? |
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countingbluecars (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 11:39 AM Response to Reply #244 |
249. You, Mr. Cooper, |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 12:07 PM Response to Reply #249 |
255. Nice effort to take matters out of context... |
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kevinbgoode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:39 PM Response to Reply #64 |
194. So what about them? |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 07:32 PM Response to Reply #32 |
46. You answered your own question. |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 08:24 PM Response to Reply #46 |
48. That is a broad generality... |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:38 PM Response to Reply #48 |
57. Right, drawing lines is by definition generalizing. EOM |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 12:54 AM Response to Reply #57 |
60. Not necessarily... |
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Neil Lisst (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 06:14 PM Response to Original message |
36. I agree with your analysis. However ... |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 06:26 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. I agree, in part... |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 07:14 PM Response to Original message |
44. You know, we could use a few lawyers specializing in constitutional cases |
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ismnotwasm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
50. Oh good God |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 09:36 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. I appreciate that you are science-friendly... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 09:55 PM Response to Reply #53 |
55. Too bad. |
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savemefromdumbya (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
59. Religion should stay out of education |
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Lexingtonian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 02:26 AM Response to Original message |
61. There's one more predictable phase of the conflict |
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Rodger Dodger (87 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 02:33 AM Response to Original message |
62. If the literalis truly believe the bible:Then Adam and Eve family engaged |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 07:35 PM Response to Reply #62 |
69. I don't believe you will find any literalists who agree... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 07:38 PM Response to Reply #69 |
72. They have the right to believe whatever they want |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 08:29 PM Response to Reply #69 |
81. Thank goodness for public education... |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 08:34 PM Response to Reply #81 |
83. "children can be educated in spite of their parents' ignorance"... |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 09:09 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. Well that is why being active in a child's education is important. |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 09:17 PM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Doesn't much matter how active you are... |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 09:22 PM Response to Reply #89 |
91. I mean active in your child's education. |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 12:04 AM Response to Reply #91 |
98. I think this is missing the point... |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 12:58 PM Response to Reply #83 |
138. Now you are conflating science with State-sponsored propaganda. |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 03:55 PM Response to Reply #138 |
150. one person's "propaganda" is another person's "truth"... |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 11:52 PM Response to Reply #150 |
202. Which is why science teaches neither |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 08:01 PM Response to Original message |
77. I don't see how the Lemon test applies to the teaching of science. |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 08:26 PM Response to Reply #77 |
79. Item 2 od the Lemon test... |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 10:04 PM Response to Reply #79 |
95. Nope. |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 12:22 AM Response to Reply #95 |
101. Primary "effect", or primary "purpose"? |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 12:06 PM Response to Reply #101 |
132. No, religions that do not agree with state education standards... |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 04:26 PM Response to Reply #132 |
155. a few thoughts... |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 04:36 PM Response to Reply #155 |
161. Re: The Dover trial... |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 04:54 PM Response to Reply #161 |
163. going around in circles... |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 04:59 PM Response to Reply #163 |
164. I'm curious as to what solution you might propose... |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:19 PM Response to Reply #164 |
167. I think looking for solutions is a bit premature at this point... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:06 PM Response to Reply #167 |
176. The problem is that you don't recognize objective scientific truth |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:46 PM Response to Reply #167 |
180. Edwards v. Aguillard? |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:18 PM Response to Reply #180 |
184. Can I assume... |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:54 PM Response to Reply #163 |
182. Re: "And you don't see the self-contradiction there, do you?" |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:31 PM Response to Reply #182 |
185. This is probably going to sound 'cute', but... |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 11:30 AM Response to Reply #79 |
129. The primary effect of teaching science is students get an education |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 12:09 PM Response to Reply #129 |
133. Well said! |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 04:35 PM Response to Reply #129 |
160. If you ask a literalist student how humanity came to exist... |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 10:20 AM Response to Reply #160 |
227. The question of how humanity came to exist, is outside the scope of |
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Raydawg1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 08:07 PM Response to Original message |
78. That's why we have private schools. These people have to realize |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 08:27 PM Response to Reply #78 |
80. and then they are punished financially for their religious views... |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 08:32 PM Response to Reply #80 |
82. Most accredited private schools teach evolution in biology class... |
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Raydawg1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 08:36 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. I'm talking about a religous private school, Like the Catholic school I |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 09:13 PM Response to Reply #84 |
88. I attended Catholic School 25+ years ago and was taught... |
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Raydawg1234 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 08:39 PM Response to Reply #80 |
85. most fundies are not poor. The people who you see critizing the schools |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 09:12 PM Response to Reply #85 |
87. So undermining a religion doesn't breach the EC? |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 09:18 PM Response to Reply #87 |
90. Your definition of persecution is incorrect. n/t |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 12:25 AM Response to Reply #90 |
102. "to cause to suffer because of belief" nt |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 03:36 PM Response to Reply #102 |
145. People who believe gays should be stoned to death and women should be |
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The Flaming Red Head (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
92. You can’t teach basic biology without evolution |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 10:43 PM Response to Reply #92 |
96. I'm still waiting for an answer from the OP |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:33 AM Response to Reply #96 |
107. I'm still trying to figure out what brand of liberalism you represent... |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 12:28 PM Response to Reply #107 |
134. How is the question in post #96 disrespectful? |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 04:37 PM Response to Reply #134 |
162. I suggest you read all of the responses from that individual... |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 09:32 PM Response to Reply #162 |
196. I'm not interested in that poster, I'm interested in your answer to his/ |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:28 PM Response to Reply #196 |
198. Just realized I sound very rude to poster # 96 |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 08:41 AM Response to Reply #196 |
217. "...a child cannot spend any time in public school without ... |
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Finder (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 02:03 PM Response to Reply #107 |
140. I figured you would throw out the "godless commie" sooner... |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:38 PM Response to Reply #140 |
188. And if that was what I'd been seeing... |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 12:37 PM Response to Reply #96 |
135. Good question. - n/t |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 09:39 PM Response to Original message |
93. For the sake of peace, let's teach that 3 = 1. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 10:45 PM Response to Reply #93 |
97. Actually, according to the OP, it's not "peace" |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:35 AM Response to Reply #93 |
108. I'm not familiar with the quote, but I'd say that was a crack... |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:54 AM Response to Reply #108 |
112. The argument is against the acceptance of ignorance. |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 09:37 AM Response to Reply #112 |
116. "The idea that we should accept the teaching of ignorance ... |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 12:45 PM Response to Reply #116 |
136. You make a good argument for doing away with "the state". |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:47 PM Response to Reply #136 |
168. I was unaware of this... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 03:27 PM Response to Reply #116 |
141. So, you argue that concepts like the age of the Earth, or Newton's Second |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 03:29 PM Response to Reply #108 |
142. The "relevancy" is that you want FACTS modified to suit people's BELIEFS. |
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DanCa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 12:08 AM Response to Original message |
99. I was readding Bill Press how the republican's stole Christmas. |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:38 AM Response to Reply #99 |
109. I don't think I favour fundamentalism any more than you do... |
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Lindacooks (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 12:19 AM Response to Original message |
100. And those literalists don't even understand how inconsistent they are. |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:43 AM Response to Reply #100 |
111. I refer you to reply 69 |
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Jeffersons Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 02:58 AM Response to Original message |
104. Amendment 1 |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 03:03 AM Response to Original message |
105. You repeatedly ask, "When is the state interfering with religion?" |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:23 AM Response to Reply #105 |
106. I've no objection to your statements, but they do not address the issue... |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:05 PM Response to Reply #106 |
166. Sure they address the issue |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:11 PM Response to Reply #166 |
177. response... |
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0rganism (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:36 PM Response to Reply #177 |
187. we'll have to agree to disagree, then |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:43 AM Response to Original message |
110. Sorry, Robert |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 09:12 AM Response to Reply #110 |
114. So you seem to be saying the EC is a tool to be used by the majority... |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 09:17 AM Response to Reply #114 |
115. A Gross Overtinterpretation |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 09:54 AM Response to Reply #115 |
117. Actually, it was a question... |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 09:58 AM Response to Reply #117 |
118. Well, You Never Addressed The Point Of My First Post |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:52 AM Response to Reply #118 |
124. I think yoiu will find... |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 11:13 AM Response to Reply #124 |
127. Let Me Clarify |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:10 PM Response to Reply #127 |
183. so we'll agree to disagree... |
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annabanana (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:29 PM Response to Reply #127 |
192. bravo, professor... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:30 PM Response to Reply #118 |
179. I think you will find... |
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kalibex (189 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 09:09 AM Response to Original message |
113. Are you implying... |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:00 AM Response to Reply #113 |
119. To Add To Your Question |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:33 AM Response to Reply #113 |
121. Yes... |
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Kazak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:19 AM Response to Original message |
120. But, there is no basis for literal belief in their sacred book! |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:50 AM Response to Original message |
123. What an original way to come out for Vouchers! |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:58 AM Response to Reply #123 |
125. Irrelevant to the issue... |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 11:46 AM Response to Reply #125 |
130. You're a fan of Vouchers in other threads. |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 03:31 PM Response to Reply #130 |
144. Which explains alot. |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 03:40 PM Response to Reply #130 |
147. While vouchers might be a solution here, it is not the issue I'm dealing.. |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 08:37 AM Response to Reply #147 |
215. Kids can't "opt out" of home schooling, either. |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:59 AM Response to Original message |
126. Science is not religion. Teaching science is not attacking religion. |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 11:29 AM Response to Reply #126 |
128. My read of the First Amendment... |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 12:02 PM Response to Reply #128 |
131. The First Amendment reads: |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 04:07 PM Response to Reply #131 |
151. Communism is not a religion yet "inhibits religion"... |
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Zenlitened (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 12:46 PM Response to Reply #126 |
137. Interesting point. |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 01:07 PM Response to Original message |
139. The Constitution does not protect "belief." It protects free exercise of |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 03:50 PM Response to Original message |
149. You can stop now. Everybody can see where you stand. |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:27 PM Response to Reply #149 |
178. Ya know, I've been -waiting- for someone to come along... |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 04:13 PM Response to Original message |
152. Of course evolution stands, it's a fact that's been shown repeatedly. |
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Ediacara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 04:25 PM Response to Original message |
154. Sorry, but NO |
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 04:28 PM Response to Reply #154 |
157. What science does is to deal religion the Harry Truman treatment |
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Ediacara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 04:32 PM Response to Reply #157 |
159. RIGHT ON!!! |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 04:26 PM Response to Original message |
156. sort of a big thing that you are missing |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:00 PM Response to Reply #156 |
165. Thank you, Hfojvt... |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:03 PM Response to Reply #165 |
174. Ah, I see you've found a "liberal". |
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Warren DeMontague (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:03 PM Response to Reply #156 |
175. So, once again, you're defending mandatory sectarian prayer |
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hfojvt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:37 AM Response to Reply #175 |
205. I am not defending it |
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Kingshakabobo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 11:53 AM Response to Reply #205 |
251. WOW! There are a lot of things that were allowed to ........ |
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chicagiana (993 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:01 PM Response to Original message |
172. I had a science teacher say "this is bullshit" ... |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
181. I'm hoping that natural selection will insure that these IDIOTS die off |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:35 PM Response to Reply #181 |
186. So you're hoping the Democratic Party will sponsor legislation... |
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NoodleyAppendage (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:56 PM Response to Reply #186 |
189. Maladaptive behavior and beliefs tend to take care of themselves |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:36 PM Response to Reply #189 |
193. So you're okay with them voting for president? nt |
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patriotvoice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:42 PM Response to Original message |
199. Science is the State's religion. |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 11:36 PM Response to Reply #199 |
201. about that 1st Amendment... |
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bread_and_roses (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 12:43 AM Response to Reply #201 |
203. No, the First Amendment does not say "inhibit" |
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Zhade (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 01:44 AM Response to Reply #203 |
204. Indeed. |
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Jim__ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 10:36 AM Response to Reply #201 |
232. "Everything is teleological for Christian literalists." |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 11:25 AM Response to Reply #232 |
246. I don't think the founders expected... |
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patriotvoice (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 10:55 AM Response to Reply #201 |
236. The right to say "no": that is freedom |
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FreedomAngel82 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 02:48 AM Response to Original message |
206. With me personally |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 03:54 AM Response to Original message |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 08:41 AM Response to Reply #212 |
216. Nothing like a bit of satire to start out the day! |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 10:14 AM Response to Reply #216 |
225. So Might Some Of The Strong Minded |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 10:23 AM Response to Reply #225 |
228. Well, I was just trying to be nice.... |
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NMMNG (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 04:32 AM Response to Original message |
213. Enough of this pandering garbage |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 09:48 AM Response to Reply #213 |
223. In Addition, Buff. . . |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 10:20 AM Response to Reply #223 |
226. Watch out! He's collecting offensive posts. |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 10:29 AM Response to Reply #226 |
230. That's Fine |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 10:47 AM Response to Reply #230 |
233. I'm not exactly trembling in fear... |
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Nobody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 10:58 AM Response to Reply #233 |
238. The train wreck of 2005 |
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Bridget Burke (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 11:09 AM Response to Reply #238 |
242. The "War on Christmas" is only a skirmish on the "War on Christianity" |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 10:59 AM Response to Reply #233 |
239. I got news for you... |
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Ediacara (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 11:32 AM Response to Reply #239 |
247. Well if you'd bother to have read my actually very insightful posting |
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Robert Cooper (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 10:50 AM Response to Reply #230 |
235. neither do I nt |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 11:06 AM Response to Reply #235 |
241. I Wasn't Speaking To You (eom) |
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243. welcome to an open forum... |
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Nobody (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Dec-28-05 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
237. Book recommendation time |
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