I Pledge Support To The Democratic Nominee in 2008, WHOEVER IT MAY BE

[Yavin4]

I hereby declare that I will support the Democratic nominee for president whoever (or whomever?) he or she may be. Even if the nominee is Joe Lieberman. I will support the nominee. Why? Even though some Democrats may be perceived as Republican-lite, then so be it. If Republican-lite means that they will duplicate EVERYTHING that Bush did, but they will protect Social Security or a woman's right to choose, then my support will be worth it. At this point, I'm willing to take ANY victory on ANY issue.

If Hillary or Joe Lieberman want to keep us in Iraq for years but we can get started on a National Health care plan, then I will support them. When we vote, we must not think about ourselves or our issues, we must think of the most vulnerable amongst us. If Kerry had won in 2004, thousands of lives in New Orleans would have been saved. That's how we have to see elections, through the eyes of the poor, the elderly, the young, and the ill. We have to look at which candidate would better serve the least amongst us, even if they continue some of the odious policies of the Bush administration.

If the choice is between Republican and Republican-lite, then I will take Republican-lite, not much of a choice, but that's all we have.

[tatertop]

1. Luckily it will not be Jo

Yes, we must support whomever is picked.

[politicaholic]

3. Just imagine if it were *shiver* Zell Miller...

I can't believe I just typed that. Now even my fingers want to puke.

[tatertop]

27. That would be sure sign things will never be the same

In a bad way, of course.

[ny_liberal]

17. John Kerry thanks you in advance

lol

[SharonRB]

2. Ditto

[rogerashton]

4. If the Republicans nominate California Senator Hiram Johnson, I will

support him.

Wups! Sorry. Flashback to 1936, there. Huey Long in 1936.

Johnson was about the last Pub I would have voted for, though.

[Kralizec]

5. NEIN! I will never blindly support anyone or anything!

That's how we got BUSH, don't you get it?! Blind loyalty is dangerous in any circmustance, whether it be found in in Republican crazies or naive Democrats.

[Yavin4]

10. Not When Life or Death Is On The Line

A Republican presidency means that the most vulnerable among us will die.

[Kralizec]

19. True. But we must not settle for mediocrity.

And I have yet to see anything BUT emerge from possible Dem candidates.

[Donald Ian Rankin]

38. Does that hold true

Even if the Republicans nominate a Sicilian?

[Viva_La_Revolution]

13. Damn straight!

It's our responsibility to make sure that a Repug light is not in the running at all!

[RandomKoolzip]

40. "Blind?" Why "blind?"

I see that word used a lot when criticizing moderate Dems: "BLIND loyalty," "BLINDLY following," etc. What does it mean to you?

Not flaming, just curious.

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[madfloridian]

6. Some local Democrats are refusing to sign the loyalty oath.

Some have left the party over it, resigned their posts. Florida requires that you sign an oath to be a member of the DEC in your area.
You can not be a member if you refuse, at least not in our county.

[acmejack]

11. I understand their feelings

A loyalty oath, that's outrageous!

[Kralizec]

21. As do I!

A loyalty oath? What is this, the GOP?

[AZBlue]

7. BRAVO!

:woohoo:

I pledge the same!

[MrSlayer]

8. And I pledge support to who I feel is best in 08.

I would like it to be a Democrat but if it's not, so be it.

[Yavin4]

12. You May Have The Luxury of Supporting a 3rd Party Presidential Candidate

and not suffer the consequences of another Republican administration, but there are millions of Americans whose lives will be at stake. Keep in mind that during the next presidential term we will start seeing the first wave of baby boomers retiring which will put a massive strain on our social services. I don't want a president screaming for more tax cuts while millions of elderly are starving in the streets.

[Pastiche423]

26. It seems I heard these same words in 2004

That worked out well, din't it?

:eyes:

[G_j]

45. not me

& with this approach no doubt every good candidate will once again be labeled as "unelectable".

dump the DLC!

[OPERATIONMINDCRIME]

9. As Will I, As Must All Of Us, As Per DU Rules

I think many forget that it is in the DU rules that it is mandatory to support the dem candidate. Arguing during primaries is one thing. Declaring you refuse to support who wins the primary is unacceptable. :)

[AgadorSparticus]

30. yes, blind support is good. don't think for yourself or anything.

let DU make the decision for you which is vote for the dem candidate at ALL cost. nothing matters but the end result. :eyes::scared:

hmmmmmm, there's another political group in the american landscape that subscribes to this machiavellian approach......just sayin...

[saltpoint]

14. I'll vote for our ticket, but more enthusiastically for some --

-- nominees than for others. Favorites aside, none of the GOP mentioned candidates appeal. Frist is a cat-butchering idiot. Allen is a testosterone-crazed bully. McCain is a neolithic conservative. Guiliani is the political equivalent of styrofoam. Etc. Etc. Etc. They all suck.

I'm votin' with the Dems in '08. Apart from the utterly worthly Joe Lieberman, that is.

[Walt Starr]

15. I don't n/t

[Lefty48197]

16. Me too.

I'm not looking forward to all the a-holes and their "If _____ isn't our nominee, then I'm voting Green/Libertarian/Socialist/Whatever". Like a bunch of school yard babies wanting to leave and take the ball with them.

[kpete]

18. NO WAY JOSE

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

20. I'll vote for the candidates that I agree with the most.

My nose is worn out voting for half-assed DemoPubs of the one party state.

[mhr]

22. Will Never Support Hillary - War Supporters Will Not Get My Vote

eom

[Clarkansas]

23. While I can't blindly support any democrat no matter what

I highly doubt I will make want to throw my vote away on a third party again.
It felt good to stick it to the two party system in 2000, but that good feeling wore off pretty quickly. A few years of Bush will do that to you.

And ultimately, I really disagree with third parties that there "is no difference" between democrats and republicans. I wonder how many Greens or Libertarians who thought there was no difference between Gore and Bush feel now that they have seen Bush in action.

There is a huge difference between moderate DLC candidates like Gore, Kerry, Clinton, Edwards, etc and any republican. That's a fact.

[troubleinwinter]

24. Dumbest post I've read in awhile.

[AgadorSparticus]

28. no shit. someone must have gotten a set of pom poms for xmas.

waiting for the daily pep rally to ensue....

[mtnsnake]

34. Why? Because he's a loyal Democrat?

Yeah, real dumb. Sure.

What's dumb is someone letting another Republican walk into office through the back door by not voting for our only chance at winning.

[troubleinwinter]

36. Because it is an "I throw in the towel and give up" post.

"If Hillary or Joe Lieberman want to keep us in Iraq for years.... I will support them."

"If the choice is between Republican and Republican-lite... that's all we have."

It suggests we give up to remaining in Iraq, it's "all we have". Well, BULLSHIT.

You suggest that a Republican-Lite is "our only chance at winning." More BULLSHIT.

You think we belong to DU and take the actions that we do, investigate, educate one another and carry the truth out in order to elect a Republican-Lite?! Fuck that. You are buying the DLC line.

I think the idea of either Hillary or Leiberman ending up as our candidate is asinine, anyway.

I am not throwing in the towel.

[Spider Jerusalem]

25. I pledge to vote as my conscience dictates.

And I don't really think my conscience will allow me to vote for either Lieberman or Clinton. (And if either of them wins the nomination, I have money that says they'll be beaten like a gong on Chinese New Year. I can't think of two worse candidates among the possible contenders.)

A choice between the lesser of two evils (or should that be "the evil of two lessers"?) isn't really a choice at all. And I refuse to march blindly in lockstep with anyone.

[bpilgrim]

29. Duh!

what choice do we EVER got other than that, unfortunately?

peace

[Zhade]

31. So if Zell Miller ran...?

NT!

[doc03]

32. No! Here's a short list I would sit out the election for, Hillary,

Bidden and Joe Lieberman just for starters. On second thought if they ran Rice or Chenney I don't know who I wouldn't vote for.

[mtnsnake]

33. Me too, even if it's Kerry again

He'll always be unelectable, but damn it, if he's our Democratic candidate, he can count on my vote.

[Jose Diablo]

35. Not this time, for me it won't be just anybody

I'll bail if the party hacks on the beltway screw us over again.

[IkeWarnedUs]

37. Drinking the Gatorade

If buying into the neocon crap is "drinking the koolaid" I would call the opening post "drinking the gatorade". It's better for you than koolaid, but just as easy to poison.

My hope for the Democratic party is that Howard Dean is the chair of the DNC. I am counting on him to continue to speak for the "Democratic wing of the Democratic party."

I agree that John Kerry would have been a gazillion times better than Bush. And I don't know what I would do with a Joe Lieberman / Jeb Bush choice - move to Canada I guess. But we've got some time to work on choosing a really, really good candidate. Or to figure out another strategy.

Your post makes me so sad. Over 2 years until the primary. No idea what will happen between now and then - in the courts, the 2006 midterms, to the parties or the world. And you are already swearing your allegiance to whoever is put before you with a D after his or her name.

Drink up. :beer:

[The Straight Story]

39. So if Jeb Bush changes to dem party and gets nod

you will vote for him?

[FlemingsGhost]

41. Where's Mary, little lamb?

Baahhhh-ahhhhhhhh ...

[Zinfandel]

42. Not a fucking chance. Those fucking wimpy-asses received my last

vote for president, when I had to gag and vote for John Kerry...After a lifetime of voting Democrat in every election...I don't give a shit if Cheney is running, I'll vote for a true liberal in another party, cuz the Dems won't throw up anyone but a republican lite, a fucking moderate...I'm getting sick just thinking about it...

And what difference will it make, Dems have won the last four elections and the last two, because of a combination of being such pussies and the republican owned electronic voting machines literally stealing votes everywhere they have been placed across the country, (especially in states with both a republican Governor & republican Sec. of State)...

The republicans already have the 2008 strategy worked out, on where and how they'll steal it again, from not counting Dem votes, to changing Dem votes to republican and manipulation, adding more republican votes than there are actual voters...It doesn't really matter who either candidate will be, One thing for sure, the Dem will be announced the loser by the media, the republican will have stolen it and the Dems won't fight the fraud.

When does one finally get sick of the same shit every election as Dems keep shrinking in both house's (and the presidency) while the dems still keep believing the media bullshit being offered to them now, and think they are going to get them darn republicans (2006) this time....

And then they'll be left scratching their heads (again) wondering what happened and acccepting the republican media's version of why they didn't win, so as to offer even a more republican lite candidate next time...The dems will NEVER figure out why they will continue to shrink in power...They really believe they have it all won and sewn up in 2006, such fools!!!

[in_cog_ni_to]

43. Not me. I already have my list of DLCers I will NOT vote for.

We don't need any more repuke lite candidates. Enough is enough.

[ikojo]

46. Not me...any candidate must EARN my vote and simply

putting a D after one's name does not entitle that person to my vote. I am a woman and women had to fight for the right to vote in this and every country. I don't take it lightly.

Blind support is why DLC Dems don't care whether they alienate their base, they assume that we have nowhere else to go.

Neither Hillary (the former young Republican and Wal-Mart board member) or Joe LIEberman (in the pockets of big insurance) will truly advocate for national health care. The plan pushed by Hillary in the early 1990s still favored the big insurance companies.

NO REPUBLICAN LITE

I want a dyed in the wool FDR type Democrat.

[CarbonDate]

47. That's a little open-ended for me.

If the Republican nominee is more progressive than the Democratic candidate, then I'll vote for the Republican candidate.

I don't see that happening, of course; progressive Republicans are a dying breed, but it's all about the ideals, for me.

Barring some weirdness, I intend to support the Democratic candidate. However, I'm not pledging support until I see who the candidates are.

For the time being, I'm backing Russ Feingold for the Democratic nomination.

[mmonk]

48. If the candidate supports

illegal wars or dilution of the constitution, I can't make such a promise. Country and right over party and wrong. I'll just have to help elect candidates to congress.