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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 11:03 PM Original message |
Prove to me that guns stop crime. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 11:06 PM Response to Original message |
1. What they never talk about is the crime guns enable but don't get reported |
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Ciggies and coffee (174 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 10:01 AM Response to Reply #1 |
160. How about |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 12:58 PM Response to Reply #160 |
170. The base of the party is women, urbanites and minorities |
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ret5hd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 11:07 PM Response to Original message |
2. when i come to kick yur ass for not postin' this in the gungeon... |
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Greyhound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 12:51 PM Response to Reply #2 |
169. Make that 2. WTF |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
3. Once in a blue fucking moon they do.... |
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Gabi Hayes (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 11:11 PM Response to Original message |
4. Negro abortions stop crime! |
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Matariki (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 05:16 PM Response to Reply #4 |
253. oh,oh,oh (unrelated) |
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951-Riverside (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 11:12 PM Response to Original message |
5. Out of those 13,000 gun related deaths how many were in self-defence? |
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Toots (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 09:39 AM Response to Reply #5 |
53. How many thousands of gun related injuries are not being mentioned at all? |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 02:41 PM Response to Reply #53 |
178. They do everything they can to suppress that and other statistics. |
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CanSocDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 08:25 AM Response to Reply #178 |
209. Could it be...... |
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Kralizec (982 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 11:13 PM Response to Original message |
6. Maybe a huge meteor can stop all crime, and life, on earth. (nt) |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 09:41 AM Response to Reply #6 |
54. Yes, if it's headed toward where the gun lobby is having a convention |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:19 AM Response to Reply #54 |
66. LOL |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 11:17 PM Response to Original message |
7. I reject the premise of your thread. |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 11:20 PM Response to Reply #7 |
8. My argument is to get rid of all guns and worry about |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 11:37 PM Response to Reply #8 |
13. Yes, and you'll lose most of America's voters doing that. |
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OPERATIONMINDCRIME (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 11:38 PM Response to Reply #8 |
14. LMAO!!! Get rid of ALLLL the guns??? LOL |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 03:48 AM Response to Reply #8 |
48. How do you get the "bad guys" to go along with that plan? |
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Redstone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:41 PM Response to Reply #8 |
109. Now there's a nice, simple idea. |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 12:16 AM Response to Reply #109 |
151. You are outvoted. Gun control is a proven loser with the voters. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:12 AM Response to Reply #151 |
342. Where has it been defeated in any referendum? |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:36 PM Response to Reply #342 |
381. Ann Richards pissed off Texans when she vetoed our CHL bill. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:17 PM Response to Reply #381 |
384. Have you gun"enthusiasts" ever won an actual referendum in the USA? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 06:19 PM Response to Reply #8 |
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Blue-Jay (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 08:20 PM Response to Reply #257 |
280. Based on that reasoning, |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 11:21 PM Response to Reply #7 |
9. But I don't want to learn how to store, maintain and use a weapon |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 11:42 PM Response to Reply #9 |
17. I should've worded it differently, but... |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 11:54 PM Response to Reply #17 |
20. someone used that argument that we should have to learn how to |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:37 AM Original message |
If you don't want your child in such a program, we can always opt out |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:45 AM Response to Original message |
27. i know there are already programs set up. dont see |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:03 AM Response to Reply #27 |
32. Because the public education infrastructure is already there |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:59 AM Response to Original message |
31. Parents can choose any activities they want as |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:05 AM Response to Reply #31 |
34. Why not make the school day longer to accomodate? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:18 AM Response to Reply #34 |
39. This is probably the most ridiculous argument I have ever seen on DU |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:20 AM Response to Reply #39 |
40. OK, if you don't like it, what do you propose? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:48 AM Response to Reply #40 |
42. Do you have any idea how many of us who work in education |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 03:52 AM Response to Reply #42 |
49. I doubt if the Social Studies teacher would be required |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 09:46 AM Response to Reply #49 |
58. Would the state education dept certify these "teachers" |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 04:33 PM Response to Reply #42 |
121. OK fine, I'll keep such a program out of school, but... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 06:24 PM Response to Reply #121 |
137. Outside of school you have no argument from me |
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stepnw1f (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 11:24 PM Response to Reply #34 |
192. You Have Got To Be Kidding.... |
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ktlyon (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 05:08 PM Response to Reply #20 |
126. and my right not to have to deal with aggressive dogs |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:06 AM Response to Reply #17 |
22. Sorry but as a public school teacher I can assure you this idea |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:35 AM Response to Reply #22 |
24. I wouldn't expect existing teachers to do it |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:37 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. no one make the decision to put a gun in my childs hands, but me |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:37 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. See my response to your other post. n/t |
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ktlyon (733 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 05:14 PM Response to Reply #25 |
127. yes it is all day on saturday |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:56 AM Response to Reply #24 |
29. Read my lips |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:06 AM Response to Reply #29 |
35. See post 34 n/t |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:21 AM Response to Reply #35 |
41. Deleted message |
sierrajim (193 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 12:38 AM Response to Reply #22 |
201. Well |
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LWolf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 11:11 AM Response to Reply #17 |
71. No, thanks. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 11:23 PM Response to Original message |
10. But if guns are outlawed, |
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Swede (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 11:25 PM Response to Reply #10 |
11. An arned society,is a polite society. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 11:31 PM Response to Reply #11 |
12. BTW, great thread idea, Swede! |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 03:53 AM Response to Reply #12 |
50. See reply # 47. n/t |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:04 AM Response to Reply #11 |
33. I've always seen it credited to |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 09:07 PM Response to Reply #33 |
285. i confuse those two all the time! |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:05 AM Response to Reply #11 |
60. Wrong. It was said in the 19th century, long before Hitler was born. NT |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:10 PM Response to Reply #11 |
84. actually Hitler was a firm gun control advocate... |
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PaganPreacher (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 05:33 PM Response to Reply #11 |
128. No, Robert A. Heinlein said it. |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 01:03 PM Response to Reply #11 |
171. Wrong, it was Heinlein as others have said |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 10:08 AM Response to Reply #171 |
214. You have to be polite or you'll be shot? That's freedom? |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 11:02 AM Response to Reply #214 |
217. You're confusing free choice with thuggery. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 12:12 PM Response to Reply #217 |
219. The 1776 war didn't make very many American's "free" |
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Selatius (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 01:31 PM Response to Reply #219 |
223. Now you're sidestepping the point |
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rinsd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 11:44 PM Response to Reply #11 |
316. Nahhh Hitler banned guns (nt) |
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Kali (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 11:39 PM Response to Original message |
15. why? |
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Bosso 63 (759 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 11:40 PM Response to Original message |
16. Guns aren't the problem. |
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mongo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 11:45 PM Response to Original message |
18. I'll bite |
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SofaKingLiberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 11:50 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. hehe |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Dec-23-05 11:59 PM Response to Reply #18 |
21. good job!!! |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:28 AM Response to Reply #21 |
23. There are only around 200 justifiable homicides with guns per year |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 09:45 AM Response to Reply #23 |
57. And almost all of those are by cops |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:27 PM Response to Reply #57 |
107. 40% |
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mongo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 06:04 PM Response to Reply #23 |
132. 200 justifiable homicides per year? |
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MrBenchley (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 09:53 AM Response to Reply #132 |
158. It doesn't include fantasy |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:54 AM Response to Reply #21 |
28. I have never owned a gun |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:08 AM Response to Reply #18 |
36. Oh come on |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:17 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. That's not fair |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:56 AM Response to Reply #38 |
43. And I could post a ton of stories right here on DU |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:15 AM Response to Reply #43 |
44. Actually I wasn't the one who posted the stories |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:19 AM Response to Reply #44 |
45. If he really wanted to prove his claim |
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mongo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 05:45 PM Response to Reply #43 |
131. Yeah, if the information doesn't fit your world view |
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mongo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 05:42 PM Response to Reply #36 |
130. Um, the premise of the thread was that no one could provide |
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derby378 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 09:49 AM Response to Reply #18 |
59. Game, Set, and Match |
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Balbus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:05 PM Response to Reply #18 |
111. I've been waiting to use one of these. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:59 AM Response to Original message |
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Elwood P Dowd (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:10 AM Response to Original message |
37. Try to break into my house and see for yourself |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 09:44 AM Response to Reply #37 |
55. Keep broadcasting that, and you WILL get broken into, just for your guns |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:26 AM Response to Reply #55 |
67. Post a "gun free home" sign on your front lawn. |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:15 PM Response to Reply #67 |
88. hahaha |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:03 PM Response to Reply #67 |
100. Tell ya what.As ridiculous a response as that is, I will do that if you |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:30 PM Response to Reply #100 |
115. That would make me an oddity in my area. |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 07:10 PM Response to Reply #100 |
271. "This House Protected by Smith & Wesson" |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 03:55 PM Response to Reply #271 |
365. You don't see them so often anymore cause they invite theft |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:29 PM Response to Reply #365 |
379. An unprovable assertation. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:09 PM Response to Reply #379 |
383. Another reason is the special extra attention from the police when stopped |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:35 PM Response to Reply #383 |
400. If he was carrying illegally, he should be jailed. |
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FatDave (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:58 AM Response to Original message |
46. You know, I used to think... |
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madeline_con (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 03:45 AM Response to Original message |
47. "... post ten news stories of guns stopping one ..." |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:04 PM Response to Reply #47 |
77. Game. Set. Match. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 10:04 AM Response to Reply #77 |
213. Tell that to the dead people in Great Falls Virginia this morning |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 09:30 PM Response to Reply #213 |
295. There are dead and injured people in Canada today too |
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x50600 (33 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 09:26 AM Response to Original message |
51. I got 10 |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 09:34 AM Response to Original message |
52. The number of handgun crimes in this country is insane |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:13 PM Response to Reply #52 |
87. some actual numbers please |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:57 PM Response to Reply #87 |
99. jesus h crist are you saying the number isn't high? |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:14 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. Quit with the embellishments and show some real numbers. |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 06:11 PM Response to Reply #102 |
133. Why, so you can reply with the usual BS spin that more deaths are caused |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 09:44 AM Response to Original message |
56. Prove that guns CAUSE crime. |
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moondust (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:18 AM Response to Reply #56 |
65. Guns embolden people to commit crimes. |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:43 AM Response to Reply #65 |
69. My point still stands... |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:21 PM Response to Reply #69 |
91. If guns were illegal, the |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:05 PM Response to Reply #65 |
79. While you are at it... |
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B Calm (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:06 AM Response to Original message |
61. Has your post brought out in any freepers yet? |
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ThomWV (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:10 AM Response to Original message |
62. The NRA Publishes Instances of It Every Month |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:15 AM Response to Original message |
63. Guns don't stop crime, people do. And then, not really. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 11:55 AM Response to Reply #63 |
74. And guns don't die |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 03:54 PM Response to Reply #74 |
118. True, but irrelevant to this argument. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 06:15 PM Response to Reply #118 |
136. Well these 'tools' in the hands of a kid |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:12 PM Response to Reply #136 |
145. Many tools can be extremely dangerous in the hands of a kid. |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 11:48 PM Response to Reply #136 |
149. I agree, but that sounds like parents needing regulating rather than guns. |
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FlaGranny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:16 AM Response to Original message |
64. Not a news story, but |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:08 PM Response to Reply #64 |
81. Your examples Florida Granny |
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abluelady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:33 AM Response to Original message |
68. Forget Crime |
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porphyrian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 11:25 AM Response to Reply #68 |
72. How many children and adults die because they own cars? |
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abluelady (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 11:45 AM Response to Reply #72 |
73. How many children under the age of 16 die because they |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:02 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Same applies to playing with... |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:09 PM Response to Reply #68 |
82. That's why I don't own a gun |
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benEzra (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 02:21 PM Response to Reply #68 |
356. From the National Safety Council... |
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Jeffersons Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:55 AM Response to Original message |
70. I do solemnly swear.... |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 11:57 AM Response to Reply #70 |
75. You forgot the "well regulated militia" part |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:04 PM Response to Reply #75 |
78. The militia is defined by law as all able-bodied male citizens age 17-45. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:09 PM Response to Reply #78 |
83. The second amendment is more about maintaining a militia |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:19 PM Response to Reply #83 |
90. The Second Amendment is ALL ABOUT citizens arming themselves. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:37 PM Response to Reply #90 |
95. At the time it was written, our forefathers were worried that |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:46 PM Response to Reply #95 |
96. Thomas Jefferson, & others spoke of arming against criminals too. NT |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:49 PM Response to Reply #96 |
97. Got a link? |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 09:36 PM Response to Reply #97 |
143. Take a look at Spider Jerusalem's post # 101. I quote... |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:05 PM Response to Reply #95 |
101. It's about arming citizens to protect themselves from their government. |
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Clarkansas (701 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:25 PM Response to Reply #101 |
114. Those are great quotes about guns. Every democrat should read those. |
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ShadesOfGrey (646 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 03:55 PM Response to Reply #114 |
119. Yep! I TOTALLY agree! |
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DelawareValleyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 09:01 AM Response to Reply #114 |
336. It's too bad that's your favorite |
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FlaGranny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 03:29 PM Response to Reply #101 |
117. Sadly, an armed citizenry |
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OnionPatch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:32 PM Response to Reply #117 |
147. I'm not so sure |
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FlaGranny (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 10:03 AM Response to Reply #147 |
212. Yes, |
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mtnsnake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 08:00 PM Response to Reply #83 |
278. Exactly. That's why the gun people love leaving the part out you mentioned |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 09:33 PM Response to Reply #278 |
296. My dad taught US History for 40 years |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:49 AM Response to Reply #296 |
331. He evidently wasn't terribly good at it... |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:18 PM Response to Reply #78 |
89. Yes, here is the complete reference and the text of the law. |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:22 PM Response to Reply #89 |
92. Thanks for that; I couldn't locate the specific reference. (n/t) |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:12 PM Response to Reply #75 |
86. Congress has acted to define the 2nd Amendment. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 04:52 PM Response to Reply #86 |
123. The lowest ranked and most corrupt Congress in modern history BTW |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 08:34 PM Response to Reply #123 |
138. It is STILL the law of the land. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 08:46 PM Response to Reply #138 |
140. Hitler passed laws too, crooks making laws doesn't make them legit |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 09:28 PM Response to Reply #140 |
142. Irrelevant. It is still the law. Obviously you don't like it. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:15 PM Response to Reply #142 |
146. Laws can and will be changed.Interestingly you stand up for these crooks |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 11:58 PM Response to Reply #146 |
150. Just pointing out a fact. That you don't like the fact is obvious. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 02:20 AM Response to Reply #150 |
156. NRA nut Duke Cunningham wanted liberals lined up and shot |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 10:01 AM Response to Reply #156 |
159. You are being so silly. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 11:44 AM Response to Reply #159 |
164. If the votes were counted in 2000 we would be having different discussion |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 01:33 PM Response to Reply #164 |
173. I can like a specific law, without liking the people who made the law. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 02:33 PM Response to Reply #173 |
177. The fruits of an illegitimate government are illegitimate |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 04:25 PM Response to Reply #177 |
182. Not matter how much you gripe and name call - IT IS STILL THE LAW. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 11:28 PM Response to Reply #182 |
193. Evil Illegitimate governments produce evil illegitimate laws |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 12:21 AM Response to Reply #193 |
199. I am pro RKBA, and this is a gun thread. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 08:14 AM Response to Reply #199 |
208. No nation with strong healthcare has our weak gun regs |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 06:24 PM Response to Reply #208 |
259. I can too have it both ways. |
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Donald Ian Rankin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 11:44 AM Response to Reply #182 |
346. That's not the point. |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 12:45 PM Response to Reply #346 |
350. But guns are very effective against common criminals. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:26 PM Response to Reply #350 |
386. What's a "common" criminal? |
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AndyS40 (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:37 AM Response to Reply #86 |
330. You can't just undo or revise the meaning of a Constitutional Amendment |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:36 AM Response to Reply #330 |
334. No amendment is absolute. The first doesn't let you yell "Fire" in... |
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AndyS40 (51 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 03:13 PM Response to Reply #334 |
359. My points are actually quite simple, there are two: |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:40 PM Response to Reply #359 |
374. That is the type of thing that lawyers get rich over. |
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thefool_wa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:08 PM Response to Original message |
80. Missing the Point |
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Jeffersons Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:36 PM Response to Reply #80 |
94. while I totally agree... |
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thefool_wa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:55 PM Response to Reply #94 |
98. Thanks |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 11:47 PM Response to Reply #80 |
196. Reality is that the 2nd amendment was used to put down Shay's rebellion |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 12:26 AM Response to Reply #196 |
200. Gun control does have a strong racist history. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 08:03 AM Response to Reply #200 |
205. 2nd amendment has a far stronger racist history |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 08:10 AM Response to Reply #205 |
207. Actually it was the LACK of application of the 2nd that was racist. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 10:00 AM Response to Reply #207 |
211. That's why the NAACP and CBC are on the NRA enemies list |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:12 PM Response to Original message |
85. Has it occured to you that many people who own a gun |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 12:22 PM Response to Original message |
93. Gun-control stops many Democrats from getting elected. |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:16 PM Response to Reply #93 |
103. Pretty much true, |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:23 PM Response to Reply #103 |
104. tin foil hat time |
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Endangered Specie (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:28 PM Response to Reply #104 |
108. when talking to people, Ive done the best I can |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:27 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. It's changing for sure |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 03:02 PM Response to Reply #103 |
116. Certain very high profile Democrats have furthered that image. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 04:31 PM Response to Reply #116 |
120. Why has no other advanced nation copied the USA's gun regulations? |
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Spider Jerusalem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 05:07 PM Response to Reply #120 |
125. How is it, then, than Finland has a higher rate of gun ownership.. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 05:36 PM Response to Reply #125 |
129. Finland and Switzerland both have high gun death rates |
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Jeffersons Ghost (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:26 PM Response to Original message |
105. to reduce crime, attack the source |
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Maine Mary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
110. How do you prove a negative? |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:07 PM Response to Original message |
112. Look how well it's worked in Somalia....oh, wait. |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:08 PM Response to Reply #112 |
144. I wonder what the common crime rate is there? |
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ShadesOfGrey (646 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 02:08 PM Response to Original message |
113. That can't be proved... |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 04:42 PM Response to Original message |
122. Watch Bowling for Columbine n/t |
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Maine Mary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 04:53 PM Response to Reply #122 |
124. Been there done that |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 06:14 PM Response to Reply #124 |
135. What do you disagree with him on? |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 08:45 PM Response to Reply #135 |
139. Genuine AK-47s were already illegal, since 1934. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 08:50 PM Response to Reply #139 |
141. But you can buy a slightly less potent AK-47 for a bargain |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 12:57 AM Response to Reply #139 |
154. The AWB was a political stunt that was filled with loopholes |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 10:22 AM Response to Reply #154 |
161. In which case criminal would have a far easier time with folks like me. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 12:05 PM Response to Reply #161 |
166. How do you know he was a rapist? Did he have an "r" on his forehead? |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 01:44 PM Response to Reply #166 |
174. My wife said that he announced his intention. "I'm gonna f**k you." |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 05:33 PM Response to Reply #174 |
186. Most people i know have had far more negative dealings with guns |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 12:42 AM Response to Reply #186 |
202. Actually, I value human life - especially my family's and mine. |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 02:55 PM Response to Reply #174 |
241. Wait a minute |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 06:51 PM Response to Reply #241 |
267. Indoors. Where do you run if he is in the only door? |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 08:35 PM Response to Reply #267 |
281. She had a shotgun inside? |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 10:01 PM Response to Reply #281 |
302. The shotgun was in her home. |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 08:46 PM Response to Reply #161 |
188. Out of curiosity where do you live |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 12:10 AM Response to Reply #188 |
197. I live in a very good area, but sometimes have to go to bad ones. |
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Maine Mary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 10:40 PM Response to Reply #135 |
148. Poverty does Not = Crime |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 01:16 AM Response to Reply #148 |
155. I don't disagree with anything that you have said |
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Maine Mary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 04:05 AM Response to Reply #155 |
157. I get your point about welfare mothers |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 08:52 PM Response to Reply #157 |
189. I don't know if she even knew that there was a gun in the house |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 09:03 AM Response to Reply #155 |
210. Why not finish the story? |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 03:33 PM Response to Reply #210 |
245. Is your finished part of the story true? |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 07:37 PM Response to Reply #245 |
274. Yes, it's true |
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Hippo_Tron (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 01:53 AM Response to Reply #274 |
327. Where else was she supposed to put her child? |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:45 AM Response to Reply #327 |
328. I don't know what the answer is |
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proud2BlibKansan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 09:52 PM Response to Reply #210 |
299. The mother knowingly allowed her kid to remain unsupervised in a |
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michreject (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:48 AM Response to Reply #299 |
329. The child was a temporary ward of the state |
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Gormy Cuss (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 11:14 AM Response to Reply #148 |
163. The gun ownership rate is driven by hunting equipment |
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NFL80 (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Dec-24-05 06:12 PM Response to Original message |
134. I don't know anyone here that's been killed with a handgun. n/t |
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Maine Mary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 12:26 AM Response to Reply #134 |
152. Well that's kind of silly isn't it...... |
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Maine Mary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 12:30 AM Response to Reply #152 |
153. I do agree w/you btw |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 11:51 AM Response to Reply #162 |
165. That would be a nice idea if they weren't criminal's favorite 'tool" |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 12:16 PM Response to Reply #165 |
167. Really? |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 12:46 PM Response to Reply #167 |
168. I think no one can be trusted with guns |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 01:29 PM Response to Reply #168 |
172. You have a lot in common with some famous leaders...... |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 02:07 PM Response to Reply #172 |
175. Canada, Europe, Australia and NZ have stronger gun regulation |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 02:17 PM Response to Reply #175 |
176. Good luck to ya! |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 02:54 PM Response to Reply #176 |
179. That's what they always tell progressive people |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 03:31 PM Response to Reply #179 |
180. Progressive? Sorry. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 04:58 PM Response to Reply #180 |
184. Yeah, those tyrannical freedom hating Canadians vs freedom loving Cheney |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 09:33 PM Response to Reply #184 |
190. When we can get American criminals to act Canadian perhaps. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 11:14 PM Response to Reply #190 |
191. Handguns aren't very available in Canada and all guns are harder to get |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 04:21 PM Response to Reply #179 |
181. Mao was a NeoCon???? Bill, you get funnier every day. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 04:52 PM Response to Reply #181 |
183. Yeah, Mao was a neocon. Mother Jones mag says so. Where have you been? |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 06:04 PM Response to Reply #181 |
187. Ain't nothin funny about Bill....... |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 11:30 PM Response to Reply #187 |
194. I think the problem is crooked voting machines |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 12:13 AM Response to Reply #187 |
198. That may very well be true. |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 05:31 PM Response to Original message |
185. What's the point if you believe guns |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Dec-25-05 11:41 PM Response to Reply #185 |
195. Guns are such a weak deterrent to burglary that 170,000 are stolen yearly |
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The Blue Knight (555 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 01:23 AM Response to Reply #195 |
204. Guns will always be on Americas streets. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 08:07 AM Response to Reply #204 |
206. Guns exacerbate crime far more than they deter |
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doc03 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 07:34 PM Response to Reply #206 |
273. Name one crime ever committed by a gun? |
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William Bloode (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 01:05 AM Response to Original message |
203. Not a good argument for me. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 10:13 AM Response to Reply #203 |
215. Reichwing RBKAer's are chomping at the bit for the OK to kill you |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 10:21 AM Response to Reply #215 |
216. The Iraqi's seem to be doing it..........n/t |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 11:53 AM Response to Reply #216 |
218. Iraqis really aren't doing very good with guns |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 12:50 PM Response to Reply #218 |
220. I don't "need" any argument. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 01:17 PM Response to Reply #220 |
221. States are passing laws restricting gay marriage, they will change |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 01:29 PM Response to Reply #221 |
222. Just what are you trying to say Bill? |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 01:53 PM Response to Reply #222 |
224. White rural guys are the prime movers for weak gun laws |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 01:59 PM Response to Reply #224 |
225. Despite tough gun laws people are still dying in NYC. |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 02:08 PM Response to Reply #225 |
226. that is what he wants. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 02:14 PM Response to Reply #226 |
228. So what is the safest city over a million in USA? |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 02:19 PM Response to Reply #228 |
231. it just depends on how |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 02:09 PM Response to Reply #225 |
227. A lot less than they used to and much less than other big cities |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 02:14 PM Response to Reply #227 |
229. bill bill bill |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 02:18 PM Response to Reply #229 |
230. New Jersey isn't a city |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 02:20 PM Response to Reply #230 |
232. no answer huh.. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 02:27 PM Response to Reply #232 |
234. No answer to what? New Jersey isn't a city |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 02:33 PM Response to Reply #234 |
236. trying to justify things again bill |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 02:26 PM Response to Reply #230 |
233. unlike you bill |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 02:35 PM Response to Reply #233 |
238. Almost all those safe cities are in gun control states. |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 02:40 PM Response to Reply #238 |
240. remember this bill |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 02:32 PM Response to Reply #227 |
235. Criminals kill more people in the USA now..... |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 05:13 PM Response to Reply #235 |
252. Criminals favorite "tools" are guns |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 06:40 PM Response to Reply #252 |
263. really |
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Beelzebud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 02:34 PM Response to Original message |
237. Keep holding on to this issue, and keep losing national elections. |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 02:39 PM Response to Reply #237 |
239. They don't care about losing the White House. |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 02:57 PM Response to Reply #239 |
243. it's really a power trip for them |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 03:13 PM Response to Reply #243 |
244. Well, they do know whats best for us......... |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 05:48 PM Response to Reply #244 |
254. A solid argument is the low gun crime rate in other nations |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 06:05 PM Response to Reply #254 |
255. You really can twist words Bill. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 06:33 PM Response to Reply #255 |
261. Cherrypick? How about EVERY other advanced nation? |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 06:42 PM Response to Reply #261 |
264. uh bill |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 10:21 PM Response to Reply #264 |
307. EU is group of nations with less guncrime & stronger gun regs than the USA |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 10:24 PM Response to Reply #307 |
308. which is it bill |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 11:49 PM Response to Reply #308 |
317. Guns make crime far easier and tempt some to do crimes they wouldn't |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 07:20 PM Response to Reply #261 |
272. The U.S. is called "the melting pot"....... |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 10:13 PM Response to Reply #272 |
305. Yeah, Japan, but almost all murder is intraracial anyhow |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 10:15 PM Response to Reply #305 |
306. sounds kind of facist bill |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 11:59 PM Response to Reply #306 |
320. The current NAZI's in power love guns and quote Lenin |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 02:16 PM Response to Reply #320 |
355. but it's ok for |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:31 PM Response to Reply #355 |
388. Yeah, that Al Gore is such a fascist |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:15 PM Response to Reply #388 |
397. i'm glad the bill of rights is all about you billbuckhead |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:37 PM Response to Reply #397 |
401. What about the rights of the 30,000 dead and 100,000 wounded per year? |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 03:57 PM Response to Reply #243 |
246. Those anti freedom Canadians and Euros are on a power trip |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 03:59 PM Response to Reply #246 |
247. i was talking about persons |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 04:24 PM Response to Reply #247 |
249. Are you still trying to figure out if New Jersey's a city? |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 04:39 PM Response to Reply #249 |
250. way to go bill |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 05:09 PM Response to Reply #250 |
251. Not a single one besides NYC was over a million, nice try |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 06:23 PM Response to Reply #251 |
258. flat out wrong again bill |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 06:38 PM Response to Reply #251 |
262. ten worst cities for murder 2002 |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 06:46 PM Response to Reply #262 |
265. Any link to your bullshit? New Orleans has the worst murder rate |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 06:50 PM Response to Reply #265 |
266. try this |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 07:10 PM Response to Reply #266 |
270. You lose again, New Orleans has worst murder rate of large cities |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 08:00 PM Response to Reply #270 |
276. some article you dug up without and references |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 09:07 PM Response to Reply #270 |
284. it it hard |
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DelawareValleyDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 09:16 PM Response to Reply #284 |
288. Criteria used in that article was total murders, not murder rate. |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 09:20 PM Response to Reply #284 |
291. no he's actually correct on the new orleans thing |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 07:40 PM Response to Reply #266 |
275. Dang- El Paso has HALF the murder rate NYC does????? |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 09:05 PM Response to Reply #275 |
283. 22 of the top 25 metro areas for crime are in states with weak gun regs |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 09:10 PM Response to Reply #283 |
286. bill you are doing the twist really well today |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 09:18 PM Response to Reply #286 |
290. Admit your side gets skunked in this fair comparison of FBI statistics |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 09:30 PM Response to Reply #290 |
294. gary indiana IS attached to chicago |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 09:47 PM Response to Reply #294 |
298. I don't want to count it in Chicago cause Gary has 50% higher murder rate |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 10:12 PM Response to Reply #298 |
304. spin spin spin spin |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 10:54 PM Response to Reply #304 |
311. Gary has a 50% higher murder rate than Chicago |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 11:01 PM Response to Reply #311 |
312. nice unbiased source |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 11:36 PM Response to Reply #312 |
315. Why have all these freedom loving nations not copied our gun policy? |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 11:55 PM Response to Reply #315 |
319. why support the second amendment? |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 12:13 AM Response to Reply #319 |
321. Hey, buddy, the NRA bragged about putting the Bush regime in power |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 12:23 AM Response to Reply #321 |
323. I don't think you get what i'm saying. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 12:03 PM Response to Reply #323 |
348. The ACLU says you have no 2nd amendment right to gun |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 01:23 PM Response to Reply #348 |
353. good thing the aclu |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 03:39 PM Response to Reply #298 |
361. ok then - how many people there own guns? |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 03:43 PM Response to Reply #298 |
362. 16,137 murders in US in 2004, out of 290,788,976 people |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 04:22 PM Response to Reply #362 |
366. It wasn't---- 1980 had the highest murder rate |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 04:31 PM Response to Reply #366 |
368. wow that site also says prisons aer a factory for crime |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 06:52 PM Response to Reply #368 |
375. The real reason for the drop in crime is 3 strikes& you're out |
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pitohui (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 09:22 PM Response to Reply #275 |
292. i'm a skeptic on that el paso stat |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 02:57 PM Response to Original message |
242. I am surprised the mods haven't moved this yet! |
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Jose Diablo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 04:16 PM Response to Original message |
248. Say, isn't today "Boxing Day" in Canada |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 06:08 PM Response to Reply #248 |
256. Jose- Boxing day has nothing to do with fighting.....n/t |
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Jose Diablo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 06:32 PM Response to Reply #256 |
260. There ya go again, made me google it |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 06:58 PM Response to Reply #260 |
268. Start a new tradition Jose! |
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Jose Diablo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 08:43 PM Response to Reply #268 |
282. Uh, I'm more of a spectator n/t |
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hopeisaplace (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 10:11 PM Response to Reply #248 |
303. All guns to be replaced with Water Pistols. |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 07:07 PM Response to Original message |
269. Want to drive a car? You'll need to get a license, |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 08:00 PM Response to Reply #269 |
277. They're afraid they'll have to pay taxes on all the damage guns do |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 08:05 PM Response to Reply #277 |
279. shame on you bill |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 09:12 PM Response to Reply #279 |
287. So you admit guns cost $100 billion in damages & are unique terror agents? |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 09:16 PM Response to Reply #287 |
289. you dishonestly edited |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 09:29 PM Response to Reply #289 |
293. I didn't edit anything out and here's a newer one showing $126 billion |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 09:36 PM Response to Reply #293 |
297. personal attacks from a guy who can't spell virginia |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 09:54 PM Response to Reply #297 |
300. Recreational benefits hardly make up for the damages in peoples lives |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 10:01 PM Response to Reply #300 |
301. but you could'nt even bring yourself |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 10:28 PM Response to Reply #301 |
309. Any answer to why pro gun states had 21 of top 25 high crime metro areas? |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 10:32 PM Response to Reply #309 |
310. heres an answer |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 11:10 PM Response to Reply #310 |
313. about some of these crime reports.....can we trust them??? |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 12:20 AM Response to Reply #313 |
322. If they were trying to decieve, why mention Atlanta? |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 12:25 AM Response to Reply #322 |
324. i don't like or dislike any stats |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 12:39 AM Response to Reply #324 |
325. What about the metro areas with low crime being in NY, NJ, CA, CT, MA |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 11:14 PM Response to Reply #310 |
314. All these other bettercities around the world have these problems and more |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Dec-26-05 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
318. I own guns. And I would never use one on a human being. |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 12:52 AM Response to Reply #318 |
326. Have you ever been tested? |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:00 AM Response to Reply #326 |
332. Are you ready to kill a loved one by accident? That happens far more often |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:42 AM Response to Reply #332 |
335. As usual, you leave out the crimes prevented by guns. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 09:34 AM Response to Reply #335 |
338. And you leave out all the crimes abetted by guns but unreported |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 09:59 AM Response to Reply #338 |
339. I know several people, including myself and my wife, that have... |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:05 AM Response to Reply #339 |
341. Did you file police reports? |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 12:29 PM Response to Reply #341 |
349. A police report is not proof. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 03:49 PM Response to Reply #349 |
364. You were going to kill someone and there's no police report? |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:08 PM Response to Reply #364 |
370. Can't you read? |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 12:46 PM Response to Reply #326 |
351. Life isn't worth living, if you are a murderer. |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 01:08 PM Response to Reply #351 |
352. Allow me to use an analogy. |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 04:30 PM Response to Reply #352 |
367. These are questions that no one can answer. |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:37 PM Response to Reply #367 |
371. IF ALL people were nonviolent, it would be a wonderful world. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:27 AM Response to Original message |
333. Guns don't stop crime, people do. |
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Tarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 09:13 AM Response to Original message |
337. This again? |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:01 AM Response to Reply #337 |
340. Got something against democracy? |
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Tarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:14 AM Response to Reply #340 |
343. Got something against the 2nd Amendment? |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:32 AM Response to Reply #343 |
344. The 2nd amendment is for milita not to make crime easier |
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Tarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 11:20 AM Response to Reply #344 |
345. Sorry, but no |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 11:54 AM Response to Reply #345 |
347. It's not a fact as the voters of San Francisco have proved |
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Tarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 02:01 PM Response to Reply #347 |
354. referendum? |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 03:37 PM Response to Reply #354 |
360. Yep, I believe in democracy |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:47 PM Response to Reply #360 |
373. care to try another poll on the subject here bill. n/t |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 09:51 PM Response to Reply #373 |
390. the silence is deafining.......... |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:08 PM Response to Reply #390 |
394. I always win the first 1 or 2 hours then they're freeped |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:12 PM Response to Reply #394 |
396. first one or two hours???????? |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:24 PM Response to Reply #396 |
398. Answer my question, I answered yours |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:03 PM Response to Reply #347 |
376. The aclu says so...must be true. Yeah right, here is my take: |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:22 PM Response to Reply #376 |
385. On a liberal forum the ACLU is pretty much the last word.Here's their take |
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The Straight Story (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:01 PM Response to Reply #385 |
392. well, guess they are wrong |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:05 PM Response to Reply #392 |
393. good answer!!! |
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AGKISTRODON (290 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 08:26 PM Response to Reply #347 |
387. THE ACLU IS NOT THE FINAL AUTHORITY |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 09:51 PM Response to Reply #387 |
389. The ACLU is entitled to an opinion until Rush Limbaugh needs them |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:01 PM Response to Reply #389 |
391. reaching again bill... |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:30 PM Response to Reply #391 |
399. Yeah, you're so much smarter than the ACLU or Chief Justice Burger |
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wadestock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 02:26 PM Response to Original message |
357. They don't provide ANY protection |
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Tarc (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 05:45 PM Response to Reply #357 |
372. All of that is really quite irrelevant |
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Silverhair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:25 PM Response to Reply #357 |
378. Let's take this point by point. |
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Wcross (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:58 PM Response to Reply #357 |
382. I am curious. |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
358. I don't think they make a difference either way. |
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Freedom_Aflaim (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 03:47 PM Response to Original message |
363. Well cops seem to think they stop crimes |
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Rex (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 04:32 PM Response to Original message |
369. Prove to me that guns DON'T stop crime. |
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billbuckhead (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:06 PM Response to Reply #369 |
377. The USA has the highest murder rate of advanced nations |
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crankybubba (818 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:09 PM Response to Reply #377 |
395. usual cut and paste bill |
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rd_kent (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 07:30 PM Response to Original message |
380. And your point is???? |
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Avalux (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Tue Dec-27-05 10:45 PM Response to Original message |
402. Locking. |
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