I think the Aluminum Tube Lie is bigger than the Niger Lie

[trumad]

This was pushed much much harder than the Niger lie, AND...Powell kept it in the UN address...

Here's a nice piece I got from Buzzflash:

Iraqi scientist counters U.S. claims on tubes, bomb project

VIENNA, Austria -- A key Iraqi scientist recently told the CIA that high-strength aluminum tubes bought by Baghdad weren't meant for nuclear bomb production, as President Bush suggested in his State of the Union address, two experts on Iraq's nuclear program say.

Mahdi Shukur Obeidi, who headed a uranium-enrichment unit vital to Iraq's pre-1991 bomb plans, ``also said that since '91 they hadn't resurrected a nuclear weapon program,'' according to ex-Iraq inspector David Albright, an American physicist who acted as go-between for Obeidi to talk to U.S. authorities a few weeks ago.

http://www.startribune.com/stories/1762/3993619.html

[Pale Blue Dot]

1. Actually, I think the Bin laden link lie is the biggest

It's the one the majority of Americans believe, and it is the most easily discredited.

[phillybri]

3. Agreed...the Iraq-9/11 connection is the worst of all...

Americans wanted revenge for 9/11, so the Bushies used that to their advantage and brought Hussein into it in order to garner support.

Taking advantage of a grieving people in order to send our troops to die has GOT to be the worst thing a "President" can do...

[nostamj]

6. absolutely!

the worst lie and the biggest lie.

Niger lie is a paper cut, Hussein/9-11 linkage is spontaneous human combustion.

and utterly evil.

[leftchick]

2. and what about those "mobile weapons labs"

Powell showed pictues, maybe they were diagrams. After the troops get in and discover those two "weapons labs" that circulated around for awhile as WMD. The UK press debunked it, finding they were used for hellium weather balloons, yet aWol still said the were evidence of WMD. Did the US press ever print that story?!? The lies are out there in plain sight for anyone if they will just look.

:crazy:

[trumad]

4. From this

To this... LOL

[Imalittleteapot]

5. John Stewart said that

all they found were arrows. :bounce:

[snippy]

7. The biggest lie may be the claim that they have been truthful

about anything concerning the justifcation for the Bush Invasion of Iraq. The most serious crime may have been the decision to enter into a conspiracy to issue a littany of lies to "market" the invasion.

The best thing about the current attention being paid to the aluminium lies is that some in the media apparently have decided to verify other statements made to justify the invasion. This will lead to the "discovery" of other lies and will eventually snowball.

At some point the question should become "who decided that a series of lies was the best way to market the invasion and when was that decision made?" And then "what did the president know and when did he know it?"

[Quahog]

8. Yes, this struck me as the first bald-faced lie

At the time of the SOTU address, I didn't know the Niger thing was a hoax. I don't think there was much (if any) coverage in the media anywhere in the world about that supposed link, or the fact that it had been debunked. I remember when the chimp made the statement in the SOTU about buying uranium from Africa, I thought, "Man, if that's true, he just covered his ass on the Iraq invasion."

But then he made the statement about the aluminum tubes, and I thought, "THAT was debunked at least two months ago!!" I was flippin that he would bring that up when I had heard on both NPR and CNN that investigators had determined that the aluminum tubes were NOT of the appropriate type for use in enriching uranium, that they were possibly for conventional weapons (rocket) construction, or possibly for some other industrial use.

You guys are all correct, though, it's the sum total of all the lies that are going to be a problem long term. Even if they manage to successfully plant some kind of small amount of something that Americans will be dumb enough to believe is a "WMD," it's still not going to be enough to counter the growing mountain of lies and exaggerations that led to the deaths of so many of our soldiers.

[DODI]

9. Yes, Sum Total

The tube story was debunked the day it broke I believe. I think it was September 26th.

[ward919]

10. Is it time to start referring to Bush as "President AWOL?"

You know, whenever you talk to the military!