Beat up Democrats here

[sandnsea]

Make sure they're never elected again!!!!

(Sorry, I'm sick of the bashing Democrats threads)

[thermodynamic]

1. Why not start the chain of "Let's say something positive about them" posts

We all know what's wrong with the party, even though the party itself is either too stupid, impotent, or self-serving to change their perception.

So, what's good about them?

I think that is a great question, in all fairness.

[tomp]

16. you sound like my mother.

"if you can't say something nice about someone...blah, blah, blah."

this is childish nonsense. we MUST criticize when it is due. i'm sorry you're tired of dem bashing. i'm tired of suckass, sellout democrats. and i have been for a long, long time. i may have to vote for them, but i WILL NOT let their bullshit go uncriticized. get used to it. i, for one, am not going away.

also, "We all know what's wrong with the party..."? in my book this is a patently untrue statement. there are things i know about the democratic party that i would reckon at least half (a very conservative estimate) the posters on this board don't know or refuse to believe. for instance, did you know that the democratic party is the other half of the party that serves the rich? did you know that the democratic party supports the same foreign policy FUNDAMENTALLY that the republicans support?

when i think "we all know" these things i might just lighten up a little bit.

[Old and In the Way]

27. We are the Party.

We elect the candidates that serve. So when you state "even though the party itself is either too stupid, impotent, or self-serving to change their perception." you insult everyone in the Party.

But we know you are way to smart, potent, and selfless to change your peception.

Thay's why you are a Party of One.

[Kahuna]

33. Generally, I think they stand for the right values...

and do try to fight for what's right for most Americans. They're just so lame though. How did that happen? :grr:

[acmavm]

2. So am I. The only way to get the criminal and his friend out of

Washington is to elect a Democrat. The in-fighting is ridiculous. And the "The democrats have done evil things too" threads are not only self-defeating, they are sadly counterproductive.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

3. We should still be wary of Republicans in Dem clothing

I also think we should be wary of any "third-way" "new democrats" "new labour" and other such fakers.

But I agree, bashing the Democratic party in general is pointless. We can pull together and win our party and our country back.

[Ripley]

4. Aren't you the one who made that Rich Kerry thread today?

I mean c'mon, how can I take your post seriously?

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

7. bashing candidates is okay, bashing the party isn't

surely you see the difference? If we are all allowed to bash Lieberman, we're allowed to bash the others too.

[Terwilliger]

32. no you're not

personal attacks on other candidates undercut the standing of the Democratic party

you should not criticize other candidates, or you want the Republicans to win

[sandnsea]

6. I respect your politics

The way to promote your politics is to promote your ideals. The reality is everyone does not agree with your politics. In addition, we just witnessed Republicans completely disrespecting House Democrats. Not only do we on the left have to recognize there are huge disparities in our politics, there is also a whole other group of Americans who are to the right of even the most right Democrat politics. When Democrats in Congress attempt to listen to them and create laws that consider *their* opinions, it's not reasonable to just label them as complete sell-outs. Then we become exactly like them.

[alaine]

11. Man, that was so civil it scared me.

"I respect your politics". That should be the post header for every candidate post.

The thing I don't like is that people are getting so downright nasty to each other on here about their candidates, but we're mostly on the same side aren't we. I mean I hope these folks clock out once they're off the thread and give each other a cyber hug or something. I'm hanging on loosely, I'm gonna vote dem. no matter who gets the nomination, even lieberman. If someone attacks me for saying that, I forgive you all ready. I think Al Sharpton was right, we have to remember that the republicans are watching.

I'm glad people are so passionate about their beliefs but I tune it out because I know any democrat is better than Bush. I just hope they don't end up hating each other eternally or holding grudges. Some folks that could learn from candidate threads are getting turned away (I know I am, at the first sign of bitchiness that seems personal I get bored and go back to the lobby).

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

14. I respect your tactics

Mine are a bit different. I fully realize that not everyone agrees with my politics, and I don't agree with everyone else's either.

You said "there is also a whole other group of Americans who are to the right of even the most right Democrat politics. When Democrats in Congress attempt to listen to them and create laws that consider *their* opinions, it's not reasonable to just label them as complete sell-outs."

I stood up for one of my candidates, Gephardt, who voted for the war, against some outright nasty bashing, seemingly from supporters of certain candidates that make anti-war speeches. Gephardt's blue collar base supported the war, and Gephardt respected them by doing what they wanted.

Isn't that what you are saying? I apologize if I misunderstood.

[starscape]

17. I agree with "WhoCounts.." watch those "right democrats"

I'm sorry, but those Democrats that drift too far to the right eventually earn my contempt. And why not? Actions, and policies, speak louder than just having the "Democrat" label.

Look at party jumpers.. here in Texas we see it all the time. "Democrats" who have always played the game with republicans... then suddenly see an opportunity to move to the republican party. And think of all the loyal democrats who originally voted for them.. helping them to get their career started.

If the Democratic candidate is too far right for my tastes, I guarantee I'll vote Green. I know right there I've probably alienated myself from a lot of you, but to me that's what my freedom to vote is all about. I know a lot of people who find themselves between Dem and Green who feel the same way.

cheers..

[sandnsea]

18. Stood up for Gephardt by bashing Kerry?

Is that what you're saying? The war vote was difficult all the way around. The Gephardt one that kills me is he was missing at the labor law vote. His presence wouldn't have mattered and that gets completely ignored. Bashing is more fun. Was the Kerry bash a payback? Maybe it flew over my head.

I'm expressing alot of frustration at alot of posts, in one little outburst!!! I'm just really freaked out today. Theres's the House thing, and the Davis recall, and the Texas D's, and it looks like the WMD story is dying, from my point of view. Nobody seems to really care yet. And then I see people destroying the only ones who can realistically do anything and it looks like they are actually really trying. It doesn't seem like the right time to tear up our own party, that's all.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

26. no, that's not what I said at all

I said I stood up for one of my candidates, Gephardt, who voted for the war. Supporters of other candidates were bashing Gephardt, calling him a sell-out, Bush-Lite (ha, what a joke), and insinuating that he was really a Republican.

Lots and lots of working class people in America supported the war - including plenty of Gephardt's base - and I stood up to those who bashed him for doing what his constituency wanted.

I bashed Kerry for exactly the reasons I stated in my post - let's not forget that Kerry voted for war as well, so I can't see how it's okay when they do it, but it's not okay when I do it. Besides, I didn't complain about Kerry's war vote anyway, even though I wish NONE of the Democrats had voted for war.

You can't always get what you want.

[sandnsea]

29. Okay, but still

I think your post on Kerry was way over the top. I mean it led with GOP slander, the little sleeping with Teresa jab. We're doing their work for them!

For me, I don't have as much problem with Kerry's vote as I do some others. Edwards is another candidate I like, but then I read his Iraq war statement. He bought the whole thing lock, stock and barrel. Pretty naive. Kerry expressed very clear reservations which showed he had a true knowledge of the issues. I honestly haven't read Gephardt's statements yet, I suppose I should. And yes I know his constituency, I come from Missouri Pioneer Stock! (French stock, gasp)

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

31. I'm willing to engage in unpleasant, but effective, tactics

I'm going to use those tactics to keep the rich from controlling the Democratic party, and after the primary, I'm going to use similar tactics to beat Bush and send him to prison where he belongs.

Politics is a dirty business. I'm not doing this for fun, I'm doing it for survival.

[kixot]

5. Don't forget this one:

[depakid]

8. If the democrats would stop doing stupid things

like trying to make file sharing a felony or passing tax cuts for the wealthy, then there wouldn't be much need to bash them, now would there?

[sandnsea]

15. Bash the issue, not the party

I'm actually not talking about reasonable discussions about issues, rather this rash labeling of candidates either based on one issue or some screwed up interpretation of a candidate's positions. Even Joe Lieberman has done some good things in his time.

And what tax cuts for the wealthy are you talking about? And, as someone who has actually had stuff on the internet stolen and resold, I understand the copyright issue. Pissed me off. I disagree with the criminalization stuff, but I understand it.

[Bandit]

20. Bash the issue and those that vote for it IMO

It doesn't matter what party one belongs to if they vote for regressive laws they need to hear our bitches about their votes. I am a proud liberal and will vote accordingly. If one wants to support this Bush* Cabal I probably won't vote for that person.

[sandnsea]

23. Don't be surprised in 2004 then

There's a time to bash candidates and the party, and a time to circle the wagons. If we don't come together this one time, the consequences are too serious to even entertain. And actually, I'm referring to now because of the WMD investigations. It's ridiculous to not allow our Presidential candidates to speak out because of their war vote. Give them some room to operate so we can expose these monsters. IMO

[Bandit]

24. I agree and I have no problem with their vote on authorizing the President

to take preventive action. They were given information that probably was inaccurate. I wasn't referring to that vote as being a regressive law. If they voted for either of Bush*'s tax cuts I will have serious doubts about their intelligence and wisdom.

[Iverson]

9. I don't want to beat up Democrats.

I want Dems to act in ways that make me say "hurray!" or at least "whew, what a relief."

Besides, I thought it was my civic duty to advocate politics that I like and argue against politics that I don't. Of course, some of the time this will mean arguing against Democrats.

If you think that Dems are put upon (as they sometimes are), compare that to the level of incivility and abuse you get around here for being Green.

[hotphlash]

10. Wait. I got one.

Scew those homo loving, atheist, communist Nazi (since they are the same thing), race baiting, femi-nazi, elitist, America hating, traitors who don't debate and just name-call.

They should all be murdered or arrested so we could have a single party system. That's democracy...oh, I mean a republic.

Rich and middle class widwestern, white, Christian Republicans are being persecuted!!!!!

[alaine]

13. Hey! You forgot "Tree-hugging!"

gotta have my trees. : )

[starscape]

12. here's one from a freeper..

From our leading intellectual thinktank, free republic:

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To: kattracks

So let me get this straight one more time. Theres a crazy dude over in the east that will eventually blow up Isreal and or one of our cities or two or three with a nucleeeur BOMB. in a few years. And the democrats want to impeach the guy who trys and stops it.

I am hating liberal/democrats more and more everyday.

I going to the range for R&R time.

26 posted on 07/18/2003 2:06 PM PDT by zoen
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Dude!! that freeper, is like, totally pissed dude! And when he talks about "going to the range," you bet, he's getting ready to shoot something (but only after he gets good and liquored-up).

morons

[Woodstock]

19. That sounds like one spoon fed baby boy.

When they told him in Romper Room to put on his thinking cap, he must have stuck it on his hind quarters.

[goobergunch]

21. Zell Miller (n/t)

[DeathvadeR]

22. I about threw-up yesterday.......

As I watched the entire house including the Dems clap like they were at a dixie chicks concert for Poodle boy.

[sandnsea]

28. It's called manners

I'm sure your mother taught you that.

[alaine]

30. Thanks for helping me feel less alone in my nausea...

Clap. Clap. Clap. That's manners.

They licked his ass so good he probably won't have to move his bowels for a year.

[LiberalLibra]

25. sandnsea: "The worst Democrat is better than the best republican".....

...my favorite saying these days. :dem: