Dean is leading Kerry in the two most recent Massachusetts polls

[pruner]

Boston Globe/WBZ poll:

Dean 27
Kerry 24
Clark 6
…
While Kerry runs ahead of Dean among registered Democrats -- 28 percent to 22 percent -- the senator trails by a wide margin -- 36 percent to 14 percent -- among independents, according to the Globe/WBZ polls.

Nov 19-22. n=400. MOE ±5.

UMass poll:

Dean 29
Kerry 23
…
Dean v Bush 58-34
Kerry v Bush 56-38

week prior to BG/WBZ poll. n=400

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2003/11/23/dean_bid_showing_strength_in_mass/

[CMT]

1. added statistics

among men in the Globe poll Dean is ahead 27-20 and among women Dean and Kerry are tied 26-26.

Among Independents Dean leads 36-14 and with Dem voters Kerry is ahead 28-22.

Last week a Connecticut poll showed Dean only six-points behind Lieberman in his homestate.

[mebadgett]

2. Bumper Stickers

Source: http://www.seeyageorge.com/shop/index.php?shop=1&cart=66258&cat=5&PHPSESSID=b694279bd8dd896ea83b04a4fb1f9305

[newyawker99]

13. Hi mebadgett!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[sandnsea]

3. Independents for Dean

Dean attacts independents by moving the party to the right. Wohoo!

[ClintonTyree]

5. You're correct.............

Four more years of Bush is better than Dean. :eyes: Who needs those Independents anyway? They're just a "focus group". I'd much rather have a candidate that DOES attract Independents, if we're to expunge the Bush administration we'll have to appeal to them. A straight Democratic vote is NOT enough.

[sandnsea]

6. Go further and further right

I thought Dean was fighting to get back the Democratic Party. That means convincing the middle that you're right, not abandoning your values to get their votes. That's what we've been doing for years and what everybody is so pissed off about. How is this some kind of new visionary plan?

[quaker bill]

7. Independents?

As a right-winger, Dean leaves alot to be desired. His positions are well left of center, his recent statements on re-regulation for instance, are apparently well left of some other candidates.

I do not think Dean attracts independents by being farther right than some other candidates (Kucinich for instance), I think he attracts them by being blunt, a bit angry, populist in his rhetoric, outspoken against the war, and prepared to 'eat the rich' a bit.

I simply do not believe that a candidates position on the right - left spectrum will have all that significant a role in deciding this contest, at least as long as the candidate is not viewed as an extremist in this dimension.

Bush* is increasingly being viewed as an extremist by the independent voter. Dean has called him out on it and is profiting.

[sandnsea]

8. Always the worst positions

Reregulation, raising taxes and anti-war. Those are his left positions. Even his health care plan, taxes went up in Vermont and the health plan is still running massive deficits. These are going to be slammed so easily next year.

Everything else is well in the center, especially if people bothered to see what he really did in Vermont. His stand against legal aid, his business compromises, implementing co-pays, deductibles and premiums in Medicaid, class based affirmative action, he's well to the right of center.

What are we fighting for? A Democrat who centrists will reject once his views are challenged, and who doesn't even stand up for traditional Democratic values either. This is a no-win.

[KaraokeKarlton]

15. If Dean is so against legal aid

I wonder why I have gotten help from VT legal aid 3 sepearate times?

Gotta love when people outside of my state think they are authorities on what happens in Vermont. :eyes:

[sandnsea]

16. For criminal defendants

I'm tending to think you needed some other kind of help. There's plenty of articles about what goes on in Vermont and how Dean wasn't supportive of legal aid for criminal defendants. Like I said, it's great that you support your homestate guy and all, but I've learned from the sales tax increase that you don't always know what's going on in your state. Besides, your view is only one view, it's likely others from Vermont would disagree with your views based on their own experiences in Vermont.

[dsc]

20. What sales tax increase?

It was 5% when he got there and 5% when he left. If you are going to claim he cut income taxes but not leaving them at the higher level he got them at then you can't call his refusal to let the sales tax fall an increase in the tax.

[Scott Lee]

14. wow, it's rightwing to oppose the war?

I wonder when this philosophical seachange occured...can you let us in on it?

[CMT]

17. isn't it amazing that if Dean is so conservative

that he was regularly re-elected in Vermont and is leading John Kerry in Massachusetts--two of the most liberal states in this country.

[MercutioATC]

19. The Republicans voted him in...don't you listen to the Dean-bashers here?

I've seen numerous times that the Repubs voted Dean in because he's such a Republican (hmmmm..I wonder what that makes the REPUBLICAN who ran against him?).

Take this tripe with a grain of salt. The opposition is just slinging poo(I'd use the "s" word, but I think swearing has been banned in GD)and hoping some of it sticks. Is Dean radically liberal? No. He's liberal enough to want change and pragmatic enough to make it happen.

[pruner]

4. kick for Kerry fans just waking up

:kick:

[virtualobserver]

9. a kick (in the head) you mean, and Unspinnable

This is incredibly damaging for Kerry.

edit typo

[pruner]

10. watch sandnsea try to spin these numbers in a P&C thread…

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=108&topic_id=90273#90318

[sandnsea]

11. Been saying this for months

Now the proof is in the numbers. Democrats angry at cockroach compromising DC centrists are supporting a candidate that appeals to compromising centrists. Not so hard to figure out.

[Zynx]

12. Kerry must be really pissed.

I can just imagine him waking up in the middle of the night in a massive cold sweat shouting "DEAN! NO!". Then he goes around the house saying "Dean, Dean, Dean, Dean, Dean" for hours before his wife manages to put him back to sleep with a massive stack of money to cuddle with.

[JaneQPublic]

18. Although Dean and Kerry are within the MOE...

...Kerry should be ahead by miles.

This is very surprising. I thought Kerry was immensely popular in his home state.