Whaddya think of Howard Dean's TV Ad in Opposition to the Bush-RNC Ad?

[slinkerwink]

http://images.deanforamerica.com/media/ad_misled_large.wmv



I really like the way the ad is laid out----what do you guys think? I'm taking a fifteen minute break from work because I caught this on the Dean blog.

[slinkerwink]

1. :kick:

;-)

[pasadenaboy]

2. that's a great commercial!

I'm waiting for all the talking heads on the political shows to blast Dean for taking on a "popular war time president"

[slinkerwink]

3. if they do, they'll give the ad more free time on a national network

That's the genius of it.

[slinkerwink]

4. oh, and thanks for saying it's a great commercial...

Dean comes across great in TV ads! :-)

[jeter]

14. slinkerwink, that's a great ad

A great find. Well done.

[Skwmom]

44. He also took on the Democratic party leaders

He stated because our party and our country need new leadership. I wonder who he's referring to?

[slinkerwink]

60. he's referring to putting himself as the leader of the party if he gets

nominated----that's what every presidential candidate does, say that his party needs new leadership.

[slinkerwink]

5. I'd really like for anyone to give me their take on this ad.....

:bounce:

[maddezmom]

6. first would like to say I'm not anti-Dean

but is this the blog ad or the one that will be on TV?

[slinkerwink]

7. it's the one that's going to be on Iowa and New Hampshire TV

[slinkerwink]

8. okay, changed my subject from anti-deanites to "anyone"

[wryter2000]

9. Great ad

The one on the blog was too hard to follow.

[slinkerwink]

10. yeah, it was---I'm planning to ask if they can produce web ads

so we can start sharing it all over the web in the US---don't you think that would be a cheaper use of resources?

[maddezmom]

11. excellent ad

they all need to attack Bush before each other. Way to go Dean. :)

[slinkerwink]

12. man, bush is so pathetic to try to start defending himself by using fear

what an absolute moron he is!

[Ilsa]

13. Great ad!

Great for Dean. Great for anyone running against Numbnuts. He goes after the attack ad. Excellent!

[jeter]

15. You know what?

I think this will do Dean a lot of good in the long run. It shows that he won't sit by and start crying everytime the GOP make an offensive move. He'll take an offensive position. Unlike our "leaders" in Washington (Dashle, Gepthardt).

WELL DONE DEAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[slinkerwink]

16. I also like the positive vibe of this ad!

man, got to get back to homework---I was supposed to take a fifteen minute break and now it's dinner!

[slinkerwink]

20. btw, welcome back to DU

haven't seen you in a few days...

[slinkerwink]

17. thanks----damn, that guy certainly gets out in the front!

[Andromeda]

18. It's not playing in CA...

Wish it were.:kick:

[slinkerwink]

19. awww, why? It's geared towards IA and NH

[Kahuna]

21. It's effective at setting the record straight.

nt

[slinkerwink]

25. thank you

[Julien Sorel]

22. Did Howard Dean really oppose the Iraq war from the beginning,

as is stated in the ad?

[phirili]

23. Howard Brush Dean Flipped and Flopped. See evidence:

On January 31, Dean told Ron Brownstein of the Los Angeles Times that "if Bush presents what he considered to be persuasive evidence that Iraq still had weapons of mass destruction, he would support military action, even without U.N. authorization

Snip:
And then on Feb. 20, Dean told Salon.com that "if the U.N. in the end chooses not to enforce its own resolutions, then the U.S. should give Saddam 30 to 60 days to disarm, and if he doesn't, unilateral action is a regrettable, but unavoidable, choice.

Snip:
He likewise tried to claim Bush lied on Saddam, even when Russert quoted Dean from January: "I would be surprised if he didn’t have chemicals and biological weapons.”

Snip:
Former Vermont Gov. Howard Dean, another Democratic contender, followed Mr. Kerry's lead yesterday with a similar accusation on NBC's "Meet the Press in June."
"We were misled," Mr. Dean said. "The question is, did the president do that on purpose or was he misled by his own intelligence people?"

[slinkerwink]

24. no, that isn't a flip-flop, he was against the war......

[Skwmom]

41. When push came to shove

Dean went on the record supporting a unilateral attack if the UN wouldn't get on board and if Saddam did not disarm.

[slinkerwink]

42. you're cracked like an egg, baby

:wtf:
First quote On what date did Bush present this case as judged by Kerry let alone Dean? That is what the English word if means, no evidence no war.

Second quote, When did the UN choose not to enforce its resolution. We asked for a war vote by the UN and didn't get it but no there was a great deal of dispute as to Iraqi compliance. I don't recall Dean agreeing that Iraq was out of it.

Third quote. The lie wasn't that they had some weapons but things such as the 45 minutes ready to attack. You are using Bush's logic here. He didn't claim they had some weapons he claimed they could attack us with them at 45 minutes notice. That was a lie.

Fourth quote See above.

[blm]

26. You forgot, he supported Biden-Lugar version of IWR.

Just like Kerry did. Except when Gephardt accepted the other deal, it put Kerry on the hook for that version. After all, he had to fight to prevent Iran and Syria from being included in the action and to preserve the UN as part of the process.

[quaker bill]

39. Biden-Lugar

Given a choice between Biden-Lugar and the IWR (not no war at all, as it was not proposed in the Senate) Biden-Lugar seems like it was the most anti-war choice in play.


"The president continued his campaign yesterday, playing host to a group of supportive lawmakers who left the White House just in time to praise Bush's plans on evening news programs. His aides, meanwhile, spent much of the day negotiating with proponents of the alternative measure, primarily Sens. Joseph R. Biden (D-Del.) and Richard G. Lugar (R-Ind.). Their version would limit Bush's war-making power to making Hussein disarm, and it would require the president, before using that power, to brief Congress on his efforts to gain United Nations backing."

http://www.why-war.com/news/2002/10/02/bushwant.html

[killbotfactory]

27. He thought Iraq might have chem/bio weapons

He also would support action under certain conditions which weren't met.

That is not the same as supporting the war. Sorry.

BTW, you're comparing someone elses paraphrase of what Dean said to an actual quote. That's dishonest. Was this taken from the national review online?

[slinkerwink]

28. kudos to you for bringing it up....

it's called a nuanced position, some people can't see the nuances in a position.

[quaker bill]

30. Nuanced positions

How about the "I thought Bush* would work with the UN and build a coalition" B.S.

[slinkerwink]

32. oh please---that isn't even a good rebuttal

[dsc]

29. I'll try again

First quote On what date did Bush present this case as judged by Kerry let alone Dean? That is what the English word if means, no evidence no war.

Second quote, When did the UN choose not to enforce its resolution. We asked for a war vote by the UN and didn't get it but no there was a great deal of dispute as to Iraqi compliance. I don't recall Dean agreeing that Iraq was out of it.

Third quote. The lie wasn't that they had some weapons but things such as the 45 minutes ready to attack. You are using Bush's logic here. He didn't claim they had some weapons he claimed they could attack us with them at 45 minutes notice. That was a lie.

Fourth quote See above.

[Rose Siding]

31. That nails it

It's focused, accusatory and still presents Dean as solid and positive. Plays much better than the script read.

[slinkerwink]

33. it does play better

It plays not to the hard core anti-war protestors, but to those who still has that tiny shred of respect left for Bush.

[slinkerwink]

34. :kick:

;-)

[RetroLounge]

35. Great Ad! Thanks slinkerwink!

I think it nails it, shows bush* for the liar he is, and shows Dean can appeal to more thatn the anti-war crowd.

I'd say it's a winner...

[slinkerwink]

37. yeah, that's what I think also

;-)

[Spazito]

36. Good ad!

The more the candidates hammer home that Bush lied, the better!

[slinkerwink]

38. in that case, kudos to Kerry then

:-)

[JNelson6563]

40. Well done Governor!

Bravo!

[slinkerwink]

43. :hi-fives:

:-)

[rumguy]

45. Great Ad Dean

it's tough and comforting at the same time...

Dean looks good in that workingman's jacket too...

[slinkerwink]

46. that's what I thought

I remember the Harkin Steak Fry where he showed up in that red jacket----he looked great :-)

[slinkerwink]

47. :kick:

[Barbara917]

48. It's a good Ad

I agree with all the sentiments in the ad. I just don't agree that Dean has the skills and experience needed in Foreign Affairs and National Security to get the job done in returning to this country respect around the world.

If we were a country during peace time with only domestic issues at stake I would probably have supported Dean in a heart-beat. That isn't the case. We need a leader who can hit the ground running on the War on Terror and who has the skills to clean up Bush's mess in Iraq. That isn't Howard. We can no longer leave this country in the hands of a President who must rely on a team of advisers to tell him how to solve these problems - Republican or Democrat.

[slinkerwink]

49. Clinton didn't have foreign policy before Kosovo and neither did FDR

before the second world war......

[Barbara917]

50. You are right.

They were both elected during peace time. That is not the case here. As to drawing comparisons between Dean and Clinton and FDR. Dean doesn't have a record to compare to theirs so it's impossible to foresee how he would match up. I am not prepared to gamble that Howard is "up to it". The stakes are too high. I want a candidate that has a proven record already.

[slinkerwink]

51. FDR was not elected in peace time----he was elected in the Depression

would you call the Great Depression "peacetime?" :shrug:

[Barbara917]

52. Yes.

This country was not at war when FDR was first elected. But that is really irrelevant to my original point of why I do not choose Dean. It is, however, a good tactic for diverting the subject from my original point.

[slinkerwink]

53. your original point is moot

It's ridiculous to say that foreign policy experience is the be-all and the end-all to be in the White House given that Clinton, and FDR entered the White House with no foreign policy experience.

[Barbara917]

56. My point isn't moot.

You just don't like it. You are obviously convinced that Dean is already the equal of Clinton and FDR without any previous record of experience to evidence it. You are entitled to that opinion. I am not convinced and am not prepared to gamble that his is when I have a candidate with a proven record of experience and skills in those areas.

[slinkerwink]

57. and Clark has a proven record with domestic policy experience?

I think not.

[GOPBasher]

54. Great, but why not a little bit longer?

He should've mentioned Haliburton's $87 billion no-bids contract. He has the money, so why not make it just 3 seconds longer?

[slinkerwink]

55. it can't be 33 seconds long, just 30 or 60 seconds long

[poskonig]

58. Looks nice to me.

We eventually need to go on the offensive against Bush, but this gets Dean's position on foreign policy/terrorism out in a simple, positive manner.

[slinkerwink]

59. and it doesn't alienate voters

That's the hallmark of a good ad.