A possible scandal involving bu$h?

[buff2]

I copied this off another board. Sorry,there is no link,but has anyone else seen this?


(I hope this edit is good enough)
I received this from a journalist friend in Texas. The wire
report
> > > was killed within minutes of coming on-line.
> > >
> > >
> > > Republican workers in Austin, the Texas state capital and a very
> > > liberal Democrat stronghold, are busy trying to quash rumors
> > > circulating about George W. Bush's past concerning his out of
> > control
> > > twin-daughters, Barbara and Jenna Bush.
> > > Apparently, both Texas Monthly and the Austin-American Statesman
> > have
> > > been handed reports from the Austin Police department police
> > > Department detailing a psychologist's examination of Jenna Bush
> > > relating to her arrest for unlawful behavior on May 29, 2001.
> > > In this detailed report, in depth questions about her and her
> > > sisters' childhood were asked, especially concerning her at that
> > time
> > > alcoholic father. People who have seen the document say that
it,
> if
> > > real, contains a political bombshell for both the current
> > President's
> > > re-election possibilities, and even the puts a cloud over the
> > > possibility of him finishing his full-term. If the document were
> > > genuine, in normal circumstances, one would then have to
question
> > the
> > > truth of the allegations made by Jenna Bush. However, the fact
> that
> > > the President's daughter has made allegations of sexual abuse
and
> > > sodomy against her father, albeit in a confidential setting,
alone
> > > would wreck any Republican chances in the November 2004 race. It
> > > would also undermine his brother Jeb's chances of retaining the
> > > Florida Governorship, especially as Governor Jeb Bush's own
> > daughter,
> > > Noelle was caught faking prescriptions for drugs.
> > > Journalists in Austin have been trying to investigate rumors
that
> > > Karl Rove, an assistant to George W. Bush, was in contact with
the
> > > Austin P.D. each time the sisters were arrested.
> > > Travis County D.A. Ronnie Earle has subpoenaed the papers, and
put
> > a
> > > gagging order on the two publications until further
investigation
> > can
> > > determine the source and whether or not the documents are
genuine.
> > > Also, publishing the papers even if, as is thought likely, they
> > prove
> > > to be real, could still be illegal, as they are covered by
> > > confidentiality laws and the content can only be revealed under
> > > subpoena in a court of law. For this to happen, they would have
to
> > > represent evidence in a case, highly unlikely as the Bush twins
> > have
> > > already been convicted and given mild punishments for all the
> > > criminal activities that they have been involved in. If, as is
> > > possible, the documents prove to be false, then printing them
> would
> > > constitute libel. If that happened, it is likely that the
> president
> > > would push to have the case heard outside Austin, as he is
likely
> > to
> > > receive sympathy in other parts of Texas.
> > > (Reuters)
> >

[PaDUer]

1. Holy Shit!

It would certainly explain WHY things have been quiet lately, as IF * NEVER had any daughters!

[buff2]

9. It's funny to me

Why you never see them with the idiot parents. It's like the girls don't even exist.

[A HERETIC I AM]

47. It IS funny, isnt it? I mean, this is the "Pro Family" party and the Prez

is NEVER seen with his daughters. Scary. I agree with another DU'r on another thread... I have NEVER missed Clinton so much as i have in the last few weeks.

[Vitruvius]

94. So the Bush girls are staying far, far away from Daddy.

Understandable.

We know Bu$h* grossly abused illegal drugs. Why wouldn't such a degenerate also abuse his daughters? It's a very coke-head thing to do...

[lancdem]

100. I've seen them with their mother

but rarely with their father. I don't know what to make of this. As much as I despise Dubya and want to see him gone, I really hope this isn't true, for his daughters' sake.

[LastTime2BeFree]

2. Using children to attack their parents is never a good thing

But I repeat myself.

[Myra]

17. "But I repeat myself."

But it was a good post.
Maybe bears repeating.

Don't think it's a good can of
worms morally or strategically.

[Vitruvius]

97. If Bu$h* can't be trusted with his own daughters,

why would anybody trust him with the country?

Bu$h is an unfit father and an unfit pResident.

[The Zanti Regent]

182. It is FAIR GAME

Pat Robertson repeatedly accused Hillary of being a lesbian witch.

Turnabout is fair play.

Nice to know that the PRESS WHORES cover up the FACT, which is an AWOL cocaine addicted bisexual (who slept with Victor Ashe and Larry Gattlin) who illegally sits in Al Gore's House, molested his kids.

Hmm...How will THAT play on 19th Century Fox???????

[niyad]

3. would that this were true and that it finally gets out. (could we be that

lucky??)

[neuvocat]

4. Hm...

not sure what to make of that one.

[gmoney]

5. For the girls' sake, I hope it's not true, but...

...if it is true, I do hope it comes to light.

It's not the girls' fault that their father is an amoral tyrant. But if Pickles knew about it and did nothing, that's inexcusable.

[monobrau]

6. Big kick

If it's true, this needs to be leaked and distributed widely.
I wouldn't put it past that scumbag.

[buff2]

16. I just wish there was a link

With all the "secrecy" that goes on with resident evil,would we ever find out if it's true? I wish someone would break a good scandal on that moron. If anyone deserves to be taken down,it's bu$h.

[hlthe2b]

7. Well, while I can believe an awful lot of horrible things about

Bush... and I truly detest him... even I have trouble believing he would have sexually abused one of his daughters. So, if there is anyt truth to this (and it is not simply a wild hoax), I hope someone is really prepared to handle this right. The lengths the Repugs would go to hush this kind of thing us, is truly frightening to consider.

[monobrau]

64. Why wouldn't you believe it?

It happens, and it often goes hand in hand with substance abuse issues, not to mention the creepy fundamentalist overtones. This particular scumbag has shown himself to be a sociopath who is willing to destroy the lives of millions for nothing but filthy lucre and power. It wouldn't surprise me in the least.

[hlthe2b]

68. Probably because I have a hard time believing ...

that ANYONE would do this to their daughter. Yes, I do know things like this happen.

I'll wait for evidence before I draw any conclusions. While I am human enough to admit that I'd dearly love a horrendously embarrassing scandal to take Bush down, I'd hate, for Jenna's sake for this to be true.

[aquart]

78. Because he never seems to be that interested in them.

Also, the girls clearly have it in for him. Because he abused them or because he simply ignored them?

I wouldn't be prepared to say. I do believe the girls would always deny it in public so there isn't much point to pursuing it.

I would sincerely like to see George hang, but this ain't the charge we can get him on.

[Vitruvius]

101. Remember when Bu$h was dancing with Jenna at the inaugural ball,

and he 'accidentally' stepped on her dress, pulling it down and exposing her breasts? It was creepy -- like Daddy was taking a (last) look.

And now this probable scandal. I wouldn't be a bit surprised if it's true.


In any case, I'm glad the daughters are smart enough to stay as far away from Daddy as possible. He and his zoned-out robot wife give me the creeps.

[JaySherman]

8. I don't

No child should ever have to live through being molested, especially by a parent. Expressing joy about this on the basis of political interest just puts us on a level with the freepers.

Edit: On the other hand, if it turns out be true the man should do the perp walk straight from the White House to the Big House.

[whirlygigspin]

19. the Press doesn't even report the things we already know

about *, now if he were a democrat...then you bet.

[buff2]

20. I'm just sick and tired

of the facade the repukes put out that bu$h is so perfect....like he's totally incapable of any wrong doing. He's NOT a saint and we all know it. I hate that bastard and I could care less about what happens to him. Let the scandals begin!!!

[JaySherman]

37. It's not about him

It's about the poor kid that has to live with that. Given that alcoholism and abuse often go hand in hand, it's not out of the question that he did at some point. She exhibits symptoms of abuse in her bahavior. The child has probably been emotionally neglected her whole life, and could be the victim of emotion abuse as well. Her actions constitute a classic cry for help. But it's still something I wouldn't wish on my worst enemy. I've had friends who have been abused. It ruins your life.

The credibility is also in doubt. Too bad no one with lucky timing and a quick mouse was able to do a screen capture and save the page offline, if it ever even existed.

[fabius]

10. Sounds too much like the Clinton stories.

Ark. state troopers procuring and the like.

It's a real can of worms and we don't want to go there.

[fabius]

13. Bush has committed a lot of PROVEN crimes.

Why can't we hold him accountable for those?

[Vitruvius]

117. This child-molesting crime may be proven -- and the proof might yet

be made public. I would really like to see the police report & interviews.

We should hold Bu$h accountable for ALL his crimes -- and that includes digging into his probable molestation of his daughters.

[bywho4who]

180. Power Elite! Thats why

Shrub :freak: is one of there talking head's& Daddy is one of the power elite, And i'm sure there are daily phone call's between them.



:smoke: :hippie:

[L.A.dweller]

24. So, Republicans can make stories up

about Clinton but when it comes to stories on bush we 'shouldn't go there?'

The truth will be revealed if that's what it is.

[alarcojon]

118. Amen to that!

The evidence would have to be bulletproof, and even then I don't think, as Myra points out earlier in this thread, that it is a good issue for the Democrats, either morally or strategically

:thumbsup:

[Timefortruth]

151. It is almost certainly a hoax, but if it were true, or if the daughter

says it's true it most certainly would be an issue for the Democrats and the Country.

Think of it we can add pervert child molester to the list.

AWOL
Drug user
Drunk
Criminal
Idiot

[pasadenaboy]

11. looks like a hoax

I don't believe those kind of mean rumors, even about W, unless I see good info to back them up.

[Faygo Kid]

12. Wow! Not on Reuters, though

Searched on the Reuters website (cites Reuters at end of article). But then, you said it was pulled immediately. There will be bodies washed up before Rove will let this get out. The reporter who wrote this better go into hiding, or is dead. Limbaugh and Hannity would spin it somehow (probably desperate Dems go too far). Better be some solid evidence before the charge is thrown around, or at least the police report corroborated by the officer taking it (before he, she or they disappear, too).

[shanti]

148. exactly my thoughts

they would NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER let this story out if it was true.

[greyl]

14. Reuters?

I'm guessing that "story" is bullcrap. C'mon, shrubbie is already gonna have a damn difficult time in the election, we don't need to leap onto items like this in desperation.

[hlthe2b]

15. Well, while I can believe an awful lot of horrible things about

Bush... and I truly detest him... even I have trouble believing he would have sexually abused one of his daughters. So, if there is anyt truth to this (and it is not simply a wild hoax), I hope someone is really prepared to handle this right. The lengths the Repugs would go to hush this kind of thing us, is truly frightening to consider.

[ErasureAcer]

18. George sodomized Jenna?

Yeah, that would have him thrown out of office real quick.

[WilliamPitt]

21. Mr. Bush, here's your new cellmate

[SheilaT]

22. This quite frankly has the feel

of complete and utter b.s. There's no good attribution, no verifiable sources, just a very vague allegation "killed within minutes of coming on-line." Not credible.

[NewJeffCT]

80. Not to mention

Not to mention terrible grammar in the original post/story. I find it hard to believe an actual reporter would use grammar that poor, unless he/she was a visiting foreign journalist.

However, I feel very sorry for the young Ms Bush if this is true.

[mrgorth]

23. I'll believe it when I see it.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

25. I'm going to withhold judgement on this until we get something that...

...substantiates the charges.

[buff2]

28. I guess we could check out snopes

or urban legions

[Unknown Known]

26. The only thing that will RUIN this scum is a full-out SCANDAL

I have said this many times since 2000. In fact, I contacted someone I thought could help this along, but they opted out.

I hate to say this, but this is the ONLY thing the American public will focus on.

[buff2]

30. That's true

Especially if it's a sex scandal. The media whores and pundits go nuts. (No pun intended) :evilgrin:

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

27. Well if it is true...

Q: Why did George W. Bush molest his daughter?

A: He wanted to know his child's left behind.

I just made that up. True story.

[buff2]

34. LOL!!!

Oh,gawd......You're so bad. :spank:

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

36. Tee hee

Maybe he made Jenna call it his "faith-based initiative".

(Rimshot) Thank you! I'm here all week...

[9215]

140. LOL, I thought

it was "know child's left behind"?

Sick, warped, heeee.

[spindoctor]

29. That would explain why they legalized sodomy in Texas

To toss in a distastefull joke. *slap*

If this was not act upon between 1991 and 2000, it isnt going to happen now and it is most likely bullcrap.

[QC]

31. I hope it's not true. I wouldn't wish molestation on any kid.

[buff2]

43. I don't wish molestation on any kid either

All I want is something to take bu$h out of office. Can you imagine what more damage he will be able to accomplish with another YEAR in office. I'm sorry,I care more about our country than Bu$h's kids.

[Baconfoot]

32. This post disgusted me. "I hope this is true"?!?! Come on.

We're talking rape and incest here.
The thing to do is NOT to hope it's true.
Other people have said this but it's worth repeating...
over and over.

[buff2]

35. Oh well,excuse me!

Another bu$h defender,I see. :puke:

[WilliamPitt]

Yeah, that's it

Cheerleading for a story about a kid getting allegedly sodomized by her father being true is *so* Bush-defender.

Or not.

[Baconfoot]

42. Can't I hate Bush and not want to see his daughters abused?

Are those two things incompatible?

:eyes:

[cally]

46. Not a * defender

but I also hope it's not true. I don't wish abuse on anyone.

If it is true, then I hope the media covers it.

[QC]

48. Even more disgusting than the original post.

[smirkymonkey]

84. The thing is, if it is true, then it has

already happened and nobody is wishing anything on anybody. Something is terribly wrong in that family, and to expose his hypocracy would only be justice for the way he has f**ed the entire country.

Besides, I think his daughter would like to see him taken down almost as much as we would.

[slinkerwink]

33. man......

is there any other way to verify the existence of this report?

[buff2]

38. No.......

I got this off another board. Like so many other negative and scandalous things involving bu$h or his thugs.....if it's put out on the net,tv radio or anywhere else it magically "disappears". They are the MASTERS of covering up their dirt.

[ermoore]

39. It's disgusting that anyone would hope this is true.

This should happen to no one and it's sad if we've lost our way to the point of wishing such horrors on somebody's daughter.

[WilliamPitt]

40. You're such a Bush defender

(see post 35)

[buff2]

45. It's funny

How a thread like this draws out the BU$H SUPPORTERS,isn't it? What the hell are they doing here if they want to protect their fearless leader so much? Khrist...

[WilliamPitt]

52. I think you need some help

[buff2]

62. Oh yeah?

I post a thread I found on another board and I need help? WTF is THAT supposed to mean? I'm sorry, I can't stand your pRESIDENT and I don't give a diddly damn about his family either!Some of you goody goodys are always insulting me,no matter what I post.It reminds me so much of those freepers.....attack,attack attack.

[JaySherman]

72. No one's refusing to help

I'm willing to bet the majority of DU'ers reading this thread have already done some checking around. No one has found anything verifible yet. Posting an a completely uncredible story involving rumors of a sex scandal to smear your enemy? That sounds decidedly freeper-like to me. If we're attacking you, it's because there are people other than DU'ers who read this site, including freepers, and none of us want to be lumped in with them or give them any more reason to attack us. Progressives/liberals get enough bad press. We don't need to create more ourselves.

[WilliamPitt]

76. Hee hee hee hee hee

Someone posts a thought that maybe it is morally indefensible to cheerlead for the idea that a kid got sodo0mized by her father, and you reply with the "Bush defender" accusation. Pot, meet kettle.

[Name removed]

55. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[buff2]

66. I didn't accuse Will of being a bu$h defender........

I was answering his post about ANOTHER post. Geez...

[JaySherman]

74. Oh well, excuse me!

Another bu$h defender,I see.:puke:

Not WillPitt, Baconfoot.

[Fuzz]

41. This is not even written that well

There are errors like "from the Austin Police department police Department". It doesn't even read like a real Reuters story.

[Eric J in MN]

59. too many grammatical errors for Reuters

"even the puts a cloud over the"

[Fuzz]

44. This was posted a week ago on this site

http://shades.dgrundy.com/

[Lisa0825]

49. I agree with ermoore... I hope this is NOT true.

Anyone who has either survived abuse, or has a loved one who is a survivor, would NEVER wish this on anyone.

[maggrwaggr]

50. Good god, how can anyone take this seriously?

This has the exact same stench that right-wing propaganda has.

It's pure propaganda. Yeah, right, it was on Reuters before being mysteriously deleted. Sure. And I'm Catherine Zeta Jones' secret lover.

[buff2]

54. You've never heard of anything being pulled from a website

that was negative toward bu$h? Where have you been....hiding in a bunker? Geez...... (Is she any good?)

[girl gone mad]

61. Exactly.

It's too poorly written, vague and far-fetched to be believed. Why would Jenna wait until she was 19 to come forward, and why to a shrink supposedly asking about her underage drinking?

Remember, there are still people that call into talk shows accusing Clinton of rape and murder. Let's not become like those idiots.

I would, however, be fascinated to know the real reason the Bush twins never visit the WH and seem to avoid their parents. They sure don't seem like a very close family.

[buff2]

70. I find that supicious

I want my children with me as much as possible......even though they are grown and on their own. You never see bush and pickles with their kids. I find that very unusal...especially since they are o "Christian" and have such "integrity" and "family values"

[Red State Rebel]

186. Since when does a minor arrest get a full psych profile???

I think this is a crock and it only serves to make us look bad to spread this and make crude comments about it.

[robsul82]

51. I'm just seeing Jon Lovitz in his SNL days going "Ewwwwwwwww..."

That is GAHROSS. He can steal election, he can drive drunk, he can do coke, and he can read storybooks while office towers are on fire, but I don't know about molesting his daughters. Ewwwwwww.

Later.

RJS

[Catherine Vincent]

53. Sorry. This is one rumor I refuse to believe.

Although I may call Dumbya a rapist at times but that's just to make the bushies mad.

Nope. Can't do it. I know the freepers said that about my guy and his daughter but I will not lower myself on their level.

[corarose]

56. Anyone remember the Inaugural Ball when the one twins dress

Fell down and exposed her breast and Jr started laughing?

As I remember it the strap on her dress broke and it fell down exposing one of her boobs or both of them. Jr backed up and looked down at her instead of taking his jacket off immediate.
He was laughing like it was funny and he had an odd look like he didn't mind her boobs being exposed.

I immediately thought that the piece of shit was sick in the head. He didn't react like a Dad.

[robsul82]

58. Well, yeah, that was weird...

...but he COULDN'T be. Could he? Ewwwwwwwwwww...

Later.

RJS

[maggrwaggr]

69. wow, you're so right! That's absolute proof!

not.

[Minstrel Boy]

102. I hadn't heard of that

Regardless of the veracity of this story, such a a reaction to a daughter's inadvertant public exposure is disturbing, and speaks volumes about his character.

[Vitruvius]

115. Bu$h 'accidentally' STEPPED ON Jenna's dress, which is why it came down.

Bu$h does know how to Make It Happen On Purpose (MIHOP).

And yes, that incident gave many of us the creeps. I, for one, am not a bit surprised that Bu$h* may have molested his daughters.

Add to that Bu$h's gross substance abuse, and the long-time rumors that GHWB is a pedophile (which would suggest he might have molested GWB), and it looks like GWB fits the profile of a child molester.

[corarose]

136. Jr washed away his troubles with Booze and Drugs

Somewhere along the line something has happened in his past that he wants to forget.

I use to think that it was Bab's and she beat her kids and that is why they ended up criminals, liars and drug & alcohol abusers but It might be a combination of both. Pops is the pedophile and Babs was the child beater.

[Vitruvius]

192. See also the DU thread re Neil Bu$h's probable pedophilic activities at

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php#781188

Also see the related story at http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20031126/us_nm/bush_brother_dc_5

The problem appears to run in the Bu$h family.

[Timefortruth]

157. Are there any pictures of this, how about a link?

nt

[Minstrel Boy]

159. here ya go...

From the authoritative "nippleslips.com". Caption: "Uh, Dad, my eyes are up here!" The president cheerfully inspects the area of concern.



"Jenna Bush rocketed in nipple searches after a strapless gown mishap at George W.'s inaugural ball in January 2001. Attempting to twirl his daughter gracefully around the dance floor, the president's cuff-link snagged the top of her dress, providing a much more impressive display than he'd intended. ABC broadcast the incident from behind her, but just when you think rating-hungry media outlets know no bounds, none of them will publish more revealing photos of the incident."

[Vitruvius]

172. Sounds like Bu$h's hands were where they should not have been --

if "Bu$h's cuff-link snagged the top of her strapless dress".

What, exactly, was Bu$h doing with his hand at or near the top of his daughter's low-cut strapless dress?

And if Bu$h 'accidentally' pulled down the front of his daughter's dress, allegedly with his cuff-link, his hand had to have been right there as well. What was Bu$h doing with his hand?

Are there more pix -- or video? Was this televised? Did anyone happen to make a tape? Does anybody work for a TV station or network and have access to pix or video?

If Bu$h was "doing an Ahnuld" to his own daughter, in public, he's surely done worse in private. And the public "Ahnulding" alone could be the end of him with his fundamentalist base.


P.S: Interesting how most of the mainstream print media said that Bu$h had 'accidentally' stepped on his daughter's dress, pulling it down. Thus avoiding the question of where Bu$h's hands were and what he was doing with them.

[Lorien]

165. Yeah, I didn't have the stomach to watch

but a friend of mine did, and he brought up the incident the next day, saying that he found Dubya's response to his daughter's exposed nipple extremely inappropriate and disturbing. He said it reminded him of his ex-girlfriend's dad, who had done some awful things to his ex-girlfriend. Made us both go "ewww-I hope that hasn't been happening"! I still hope it hasn't been happening, but if it has he deserves no less treatment from the press than Jacko does.

[meisje]

57. You people will believe anything

sheesh

[smirkymonkey]

89. Why is this so hard for people to believe?

It may or may not be true, but sexual abuse is VERY common in alcoholic families, and judging from shrubs moral character, it wouldn't surprise me in the least.

If you don't think it's true, fine, but it amazes me that so many people on this board immediately discount any evil news about him. The thing is, if you don't know for certian that it's false, why rush to defend him?

[Bucky]

176. Because it's so poorly written. It smells like an amateur smear...

They did the same shit to Clinton: bastard children, murders of random associates (every suicide is under "unexplained circumstances"), connections to drug dealers and land swindlers. Only the paranoiac Right Wingers like Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Bob Barr believed it, or pretended to.

It was wrong because it was dirty pool. I'm certainly willing to believe that abuse can happen in "good families", but the format here is classic internet urban legend: multi-caret forewarding of poorly written prose touching on hot button issues that are more damaging to to deny than ignore.

Of course the bastard who started this rumor our of pure meanness is no doubt being tracked down by Ashcroft's cyber-cops with all their access to private emails & such. Another Carnivore victim folks. I'd rather defend a flag-burner than the shit who did this.

[rumguy]

60. the difference between us and the freepers

if this was involving clinton they would have instantly assumed it was true and added it to their fantacies involving foster and the "death count". We have enough decency to call possible bullshit for what it probably is....

[greyl]

63. We'd like to hope so. :) nt

[Lefta Dissenter]

65. Sounds pretty fishy to me, too

and no, I am not, and never will be a bush supporter.

The story sounds like something that someone dreamt up when fantasizing about how to really nail bush's butt to the wall.

OR

if you like a conspiracy theory, it could have been tossed out there by a freeper, who wanted to see us all jump on the story, just to make the dems look horribly hateful and drum up sympathy for the bush family for the cruel attack.

Either way, as the mother of a 19-year-old daughter, I have never liked the use of kids as political weapons. So if this story is someone's fabrication, I hope it just fades away into the woodwork.

[John_H]

67. No link or screen cap or wire printout---no story.

sounds like the wingnut shit that used to come out of AK. The potential to backfire is huge.

[Karmadillo]

71. And then Bush chewed off Jenna's left arm and gave it to

Laura Palmer, but the log lady found out and--NO! This must remain secret. DU is not ready for the TRUTH!

[drfemoe]

73. If you "copied this off another board"

why does it have those little >>> email forward things all through it?

And if it came from a web site, how can there be no link? Every web site has a url.

Crap like this doesn't help 'us' or what we represent.
If your only ambition in life is hating bush (and an archive search of your posts seems to indicate this may be so),
please do give the rest of us a break when we also long for a decent, peaceful world where child abuse is non-existent,
much less cause for gloating.

Thank you.

[A-Schwarzenegger]

75. In case nobody else googled it...

http://shades.dgrundy.com/

That's the only site that had it...
About 7/8ths of the way down the page...

[WilliamPitt]

77. Um...

"Republican workers in Austin, the Texas state capital and a very liberal Democrat stronghold..."

"...gagging order..."

A journalist needs to remind people that Austin is the capitol of Texas? Needs to state that it is a liberal stronghold? And uses such atrocious grammar as 'a very liberal Democrat stronghold?' Uses the word 'Democrat' instead of 'Democratic?' And just what the fuck is a 'gagging order?'

No sale.

[TNOE]

79. Still gonna kick

for the morning crowd.

[HFishbine]

82. Great Catch Will

"Democrat" insrtead of "democratic" is a dead give-away that it's a con job.

[janx]

85. This is a bad attempt at rumor. "Gagging order"- I noticed that

too.

And you're right, of course. The language in this thing is so bad that I wonder if a right-winger didn't write it.

[theboss]

90. "Out-of-control" daughters

Reuters would certainly use that characterization in the lead paragraph.

Good Lord. I don't know what's sadder: The fact that this is posted or the fact that people believe it.

Probably, the fact that people WANT to believe it.

[janx]

111. People are used to this. It's the stuff that cable news is made of.

.

[bywho4who]

179. The freeper's are waiting at your search button

:freak:

[Vitruvius]

119. The story has been re-copied twice. All we know is that the people who

copied it are not reporters.

I, for one, await developments...

[Bucky]

174. A new urban legend is born (*sigh*) We need to beat Bush the honest way.

It is, of course, utter crap. Poorly written utter crap.

[BurtWorm]

81. I don't care if it's true. If it hurts Bush, CIRCULATE IT!!!

:grr:

[Lefta Dissenter]

96. And sink as low as the repugs? Are you nuts?

Why would you want to portray the dem party as just another batch of lying, slandering @ssholes? We're supposed to be different than they are...

Just like I don't want to win the war on terrorism by giving up my civil rights (aka Patriot Act), I don't want to win the election by throwing away honor and integrity.

[BurtWorm]

98. This is war.

Read Paul Krugman today. The DNC doesn't have to circulate it, but who cares if Dems do. This guy needs to get hurt (politically speaking of course) and any injury is fair. They'd do the same to us.

[NewJeffCT]

112. True...

Like I posted below, if Rush got something like this on Clinton, he'd lead off his noon show about this, and then the other right wing media would pick up on it and keep pounding on it, demanding an investigation, demanding documents through Freedom of Information, etc, etc, until more legitimate news sources start picking up on it and giving it an air of truthfulness. Maybe he'd accuse Bill of bestiality (sex with the white house dog)

Here in CT, our illustrious governor (who recently retained a high powered attorney) had an incident where his ex-wife called the police on him for reasons that nobody will ever know because the police chief and good friend of the governor blocked/refused FOI requests on the incident. So, it can happen... and, after it was blocked, the story mysteriously died. The Democrats were too polite to bring it up as an issue and force a confrontation.

[Blue_Chill]

83. I don't buy it.

Wake me if it gets confirmed.

[evil_orange_cat]

86. didn't Laura b00sh kill someone?

... in a drunken driving incident? I remember reading that somewhere...

[adriennel]

95. yes, with her car

Though I don't remember hearing that it was drunk-driving. She did not serve any time.

[NewJeffCT]

104. Not sure if she was drunk

But, she ran down her then fiance in her car...

[Silverhair]

116. Laura at the time was a teenage nobody. She didn't know

any of the Bushes. I don't know if drinking was involved or not. This one needs to be left alone. It was just a tragic accident by a young girl.

I do not agree with attacking Bush via his family. Laura has not assumed a prominent political role but instead is a traditional first lady.

[adriennel]

133. snort*

traditional first lady?

quiet
unassuming
does not offer an opinion
speaks out against nothing
prefers to let her husband deal with the issues

no wonder Hillary was such a bitch!

speaks out
offers opinions
commented on hubby's policies
always had issues of advocacy
launched her own political career after surviving as first lady in a nation that prefers them dumb and silent.

[Silverhair]

144. That is why I consider her a non-combatant, and to be left alone.

Argue with any politician over his policies, but leave the family alone, unless the family member starts trying to set policy.

[adriennel]

155. your Hillary bias is showing

unless the family member starts trying to set policy? HAHAHAHA.

Women, don't talk to your men about their jobs. It's tradition.

Wake me when this country can handle a woman that thinks, speaks, and acts.

[Silverhair]

169. You don't understand what I am talking about.

I am saying that Laura is a non combatant and therefore not to be attacked as a way of attacking her husband. I feel that a politician's family should be left alone.

[tom_paine]

87. I dson't believe it

Not that Emperor Bunnyoants* wouldn't sodomize his daughters, but that the Busheviks would allow this to get out under any circumstances.

On the odd chance this is true, there is going to be some dead people showing up in the back obituary pages (but nowhere else)

[WilliamPitt]

88. One last thing - This came from an email

> > > When you copy something from
> > > an email that
> > > has been forwarded three
> > > times, you get these little
> > > arrow things and some
> > > weird spacing.

[MrPrax]

105. LOL...

BUT BUT He 'received this from a journalist friend in Texas.'!!!!
FROM (Reuters)!!!!

I mean like...wire service sent it to his friend (one > ), and then the, like friend, sent it to um---him, second (second >) and then like...um...um...he sent it to DU!!! three!!! LOL

There that's three...MUST BE TRUE...
love the (Reuters) stuffed at the bottom...


Is this Jenna?

[NewJeffCT]

107. But, if it was Clinton

I'm sure Rush would be leading his noon program with this hot story of how Bill abused poor Chelsea, all the while cautioning that it may not be true.... and then Faux news and other right wing talk shows would pick up on it and repeat the charges until they started taking on a legitimacy (a usually open-minded Republican friend of mine believed that there must be smoke where there is fire in regards to Clinton and Paula Jones and others...)

[Walt Starr]

91. Although I would rarely put anything past *...

I sincerely hope these are nothing more than lies, for the sake of the two young women.

No nperson should ever have to experience their childhoods riopped from them by a parent in this fashion.

I hope with all my heart this is simply a falsehood being perpetrated by the worst sort of person.

[Q]

92. These are serious 'charges'...

...and shouldn't be ignored out of hand. It's one of America's 'dirty little secrets' that this type of thing continues to go on unreported.

- Will the truth about this ever come out? Don't count on it.

[theboss]

93. Also . . .

Whoever made this up needs to get an understanding of libel law. The Bushes are almost all certainly public figures. Therefore, it is next to impossible to libel them.

This is not even a well-written hoax.

[Vitruvius]

121. It may well be adequately written, but poorly copied.

And it's been copied at least twice.

I await developments.

[TSElliott]

126. Two Words...

"gagging order"

Hardly what I would call adequately written.

[Vitruvius]

160. That could be a bad job of re-typing or copying; the original might well

read "gag order". All we know is that there are a few grammatical mistakes that could have been introduced by one of the people who copied it.

I await developments.

[TSElliott]

184. That is bullshit and you know it.

Everyone knows how to cut and paste.

And for anyone who does not know how to do it here is a tip.

Ctrl + C = copy
Ctrl + V = paste

[Vitruvius]

190. No, I've seen messed up copies before.

Besides which, we all need more information. So I await developments. Absent such developments any story will die; with such developments, the story will grow.

I will wait & see what happens, and I urge you to do the same. And not be too quick to say "it can't be". I put nothing past a drunken sociopathic doper like Dubya.

In the meantime, take a look at the picture in Minstrelboy's post #159 of Dubya leering down at his daughter's anatomy after he embarrassed her in public. No decent father would do what he did, no decent father would leer at her after.

[Goldust]

99. I call bullsh!t

Do you really think the local police would give a psychological exam to someone who got a ticket for buying a drink in a restaurant?

Also, the "this was pulled from the wires within minutes" is classic myth. It relieves the author of the responsibility of proving its true.

Stop falling for this blatantly phony crap, people. Bush has already done more than enough in public to hang himself.

[Vitruvius]

122. If an arrestee looks & acts disturbed, they're apt to get a psych exam.

P.S: I do agree tho' that we need more info. But I am not prepared to dismiss this matter; Bu$h allegedly molesting his daughters is thoroughly consistent with his gross substance abuse and thorougly consistent with his behavior at the inaugural ball, where he 'accidentally' stepped on Jenna's dress, thereby pulling it down & exposing her breasts, then stepped back, looked at her, and laughed.

Bu$h* is one sick puppy. And capable of anything.

[skypilot]

146. Wait a minute

Did THAT actually happen?!?! Where did you read that? I'm not trying to doubt you, I just never heard that story before.

[Vitruvius]

183. See corarose's post 56 and the string of replies,

which includes a picture immediately after Jenna covered up. Bu$h is ogling down at her breasts and with a gleeful smirk on his face.

[Fleshdancer]

103. There's all sort of interesting stories circulating about the twins

here in Austin. This is the first I've ever heard of anything this horrible though.

I'm sure there are enough Texas DU'rs...hell, even enough Austin DU'rs who can do a little digging. Most likely the story isn't true, but then again the sad truth is that the number of girls who get molested is much higher than we want to believe.

While I dislike Bush, I have nothing against Jenna or Barbara and I hope this is not true. No one deserves this. If it did happen...well may he get his 3 fold.

[TSElliott]

106. Bullshit

Sorry but if you believe this then I have a bridge to sell ya.

[Nlighten1]

108. It has a nice beat but can you dance to it?

This would be wonderful if true but color me a skeptic.

[dmr]

109. I don't beleive it, but there is something wrong the dynamics of

that family. I feel for those girls. For a man who takes as many vacations as Bush* does, I cannot remember one instance where he spent any of it with his children. If he were really a 'family man', the right wing would be eating this Family Values trait up the wazzoo. You don't even see mom and daughters together.

When Jenna appeared in court, neither parent stood by her side. I really didn't expect dad to show up, but it would have been nice if mom was there, or if it were a security issue to appear in or around the courthouse, at least be in town for her.

One never knows what goes on in other people's family.

In my lifetime, the following presidents Eisenhower, Kennedy, Nixon, Ford, Carter and Clinton were all truly family oriented.

[TNOE]

110. Well we KNOW for a fact

that the Bushies are Skull & Bones which sounds like pretty sick shit - sleeping in coffins, detailing their sex lives - it has been rumored for years that Bush Sr. is a pedophile, it has been rumored that Bush has a gay boyfriend in Tennessee and Hatfield wrote in "Fortunate Son" - I believe - that when asked what he and his father discuss - he replied "pussy - that's all we ever talk about".

It is not beyond the realm of imagination that this could be one very sick, evil family - he loves war, death and destruction way too much to be above anything else. He is undoubtedly a psychopath and a sociopath - so in my mind - this is not that far of a strech given everything else they are capable of. Whether true or not - it still makes one wonder - and since we never get the truth about anything - all we have is wonder.

[dani]

113. I tried to clean up the text

in my editor (I probably got the paragraph breaks wrong). I also Googled and only found this on one website, a blog:
http://shades.dgrundy.com/
you have to scroll down, it's near the bottom of the page at November 18.
(or use your browser's search feature to find it fast).

Republican workers in Austin, the Texas state capital and a very liberal Democrat stronghold, are busy trying to quash rumors circulating about George W. Bush's past concerning his out of control twin-daughters, Barbara and Jenna Bush.

Apparently, both Texas Monthly and the Austin-American Statesman have been handed reports from the Austin Police department police Department detailing a psychologist's examination of Jenna Bush relating to her arrest for unlawful behavior on May 29, 2001.

In this detailed report, in depth questions about her and her sisters' childhood were asked, especially concerning her at that time alcoholic father. People who have seen the document say that it, if real, contains a political bombshell for both the current President's re-election possibilities, and even the puts a cloud over the possibility of him finishing his full-term.

If the document were genuine, in normal circumstances, one would then have to question the truth of the allegations made by Jenna Bush. However, the fact that the President's daughter has made allegations of sexual abuse and sodomy against her father, albeit in a confidential setting, alone would wreck any Republican chances in the November 2004 race. It would also undermine his brother Jeb's chances of retaining the Florida Governorship, especially as Governor Jeb Bush's own daughter, Noelle was caught faking prescriptions for drugs.

Journalists in Austin have been trying to investigate rumors that Karl Rove, an assistant to George W. Bush, was in contact with the Austin P.D. each time the sisters were arrested. Travis County D.A. Ronnie Earle has subpoenaed the papers, and put a gagging order on the two publications until further investigation can determine the source and whether or not the documents are genuine.

Also, publishing the papers even if, as is thought likely, they prove to be real, could still be illegal, as they are covered by confidentiality laws and the content can only be revealed under subpoena in a court of law. For this to happen, they would have to represent evidence in a case, highly unlikely as the Bush twins have already been convicted and given mild punishments for all the criminal activities that they have been involved in.

If, as is possible, the documents prove to be false, then printing them would constitute libel. If that happened, it is likely that the president would push to have the case heard outside Austin, as he is likely to receive sympathy in other parts of Texas. (Reuters)

[dani]

114. it's very questionable

and I have to evaluate it at this time as most likely being phoney. It seems too amateurish to have come from a real live journalist. I mean, look at these lines from the article:

twin-daughters

the Austin Police department police Department

is detailed report, in depth questions

People who have seen the document say that it, if real, contains a political bombshell

in contact with the Austin P.D. each time

If, as is possible, the documents prove to be false, then printing them would constitute libel

:shrug:

[Sparkle]

123. That's weird.

When I click on the link the link cuts off at November 19. Hmmmm...

[TacticalPeek]

147. "Texas state capitol", not capital.

I know, its in the original, etc.

But cleaning up the copy still leaves the charge weightless, IMHO.

[karlschneider]

168. "capital" is correct. Capitol refers to the actual building. eom

[TacticalPeek]

191. Oops. I see its workers in Austin.

Not (necessarily) legislative aides in the building.

[KFC]

120. I guess your bullshit detector is down

Only a clown would give this a second look.

[Vitruvius]

124. TheRoman Empire had plenty of drunken, substance-abusing, pervert emperors

-- why should the American Empire be any different?

[9215]

189. good point

The were also nepotistic.

[bloom]

125. characteristics of incest offenders

First off - I wish no such behaviors/diseases on anyone. But here is a list of traits of incest offenders - which is significantly different from pedophile offenders.


http://faculty.ncwc.edu/toconnor/428/428lect19.htm


INCEST OFFENDERS:
-generally, underadequate individuals
-low self esteem, inhibited, introverted, (not articulate)
-no real sense of self or identity
-often from lower class broken home
-strong denial of facts & responsibility
-75% of time family lives with alcoholism; a typical alcoholic family that covers up conflict very well
-enmeshed family relationship; father put up on pedestal as good provider; mother in geisha-like supportive role
-little education/intellectual deficits
-sexual history may include homosexuality, but fear of femininity
-molests occur while mother in hospital or unable to provide sex or father home for long periods of time (stress)
-makes victim feel powerful and like an adult (replacement for mother)
-has no conception of age-appropriate stages or behaviors (mixes up years)

One of the interesting areas of work with incestual (enmeshed) families is to focus upon the wives of perpetrators. There are some interesting dynamics involved in the extremes to which the wives of perpetrators will defend their husband. An interesting typology I think can be attributed to the Giaretto model (a California-based form of treatment) which offers the following classification of wives of men who molest:

* the WORN OUT
* the SILENT
* the ZOMBIE
* the COERCED INVOLVEMENT
* the SEXUAL PSYCHOPATH
* the INNOCENT
* the GEISHA


PEDOPHILE OFFENDERS:
-generally, overadequate individuals
-high self esteem, extroverted
-often self-insightful, articulate
-often from middle class, stable home
-rationalization of facts & responsibility
-alcoholism not usually present, but is used as a seductive tool to loosen up inhibitions of victims
-if married and not living with mother or grandmother (more frequent), the marriage is a sham & everyone knows it
-often high intelligence/college educated
-sexual history may include homosexuality, other deviant acts
-molests occur in response to fantasy-driven cycle; e.g., babysitters, pornography (compulsion)
-makes victim feel like a child
-has very clear and concrete ideas about what is appropriate for each age group


It's rather scary - the posibilities.

[Butterflies]

127. Laura = zombie

:dem:

[bloom]

130. exactly + Bush* = strong denial of facts & responsibility n/t

[vernon_nackulus]

128. If we can't unelect him for waging a false war...

...for oil, based entirely on lies, I don't think it will matter if he was an abusive father.

[KansDem]

129. Let's see, how many "bombshells" does this make now?

Bush's arrests for vandalism and theft while in college
Bush's arrest for DUI
Bush's arrest for cocaine
Bush's AWOL and desertion from TANG
Bush's drug use
Bush's lying under oath regarding funeral home involvement
Bush's insider trading regarding Harken stock sale
Bush's lies to expedite invasion and war
Bush's involvement in exposing CIA agent

any others I've missed?

[Minstrel Boy]

131. paedophilia, Bush and the national security state

Okay, the present story is unsubstantiated and rightly regarded as suspect until we see some confirmation.

But those who dismiss such charges out of hand as an outrageous smear and nothing more may care to inform themselves about America's most suppressed scandal: the paedophilia ring run by a high-ranking Nebraskan Republican who sang the national anthem at the GOP conventions in 1984 and 1988, and which was exploited by elements of the national security state and implicated prominent elites, among them GHWB and son.

This stuff is ugly, and it's out there, but it's not without confirmation.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=392459

http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/08/1635631.php

http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/03/1579613.php

[MoonAndSun]

150. I looked thru the threads you linked to...

what was the outcome of this scandal as it pertains to Reagan and Bush I?

[Minstrel Boy]

153. As far as then-VP Bush goes,

the White House callboy tours were said to have been arranged by his national security advisor, Donald Gregg (Gregg denied). A GOP lobbyist, Craig Spence, was one of the directors of the ring (which is said to have been exploited by the CIA for sexual blackmail), was found dead in his hotel room shortly after the story broke, supposedly a suicide.

This ring was linked to one in Nebraska, led by a leading Republican named Larry King. (Not that Larry King.) The Bush/King connections were numerous, and are documented in The Franklin Cover-Up. King threw parties in Washington and Bush was a frequent guest. His Franklin Credit Union was used to launder Iran/Contra funds. King is currently in prison, and was recently ordered to pay $1 million to a boy in his ring whom he'd abused.

Some more info here:

Spence's mansion was found to be overflowing with surveillance equipment, including hidden cameras and microphones and an abundance of two-way mirrors. It was alleged that the ring was part of a CIA sexual blackmail operation, gathering compromising evidence on Washington politicos and foreign dignitaries. In August, following his arrest on weapon and drug charges, Spence gave an interview to the Times in which he openly claimed to work for the CIA and with high-ranking members of the Reagan and Bush administrations.

...

The story quickly dropped off the media radar screen, and Washington and the press proceeded to pretend as though it had never been aired at all. According to a Washington Times reporter, the paper trail was quickly covered-up – some 20,000 documents pertaining to the case were sealed by court order. By the time Spence turned up dead in a Boston hotel room less than five months after the story first broke, he was all but forgotten.

The UK’s Independent reported that: “Boston police said he was found lying on his bed at the Ritz-Carlton Hotel, dressed in evening clothes, with no obvious signs of injury. The police refused to comment on the cause of death.” The Post had earlier reported that Spence had told a friend: “I may be disappearing soon. It will be sudden. It may appear to be a suicide, but it won’t be.”

Elsewhere in the country, a political operative named Larry King - hailed as “the fastest rising black star in the Republican Party” - was embroiled in another high-level pedophile ring. King, whose operation was based in Omaha, Nebraska, had connections to Craig Spence as well as to Ronald Reagan, George Bush, Oliver North, and various other major players in Washington.
http://davesweb.cnchost.com/pedo2.html

[9215]

164. OOPs, Sorry Minstrel Boy

I didn't see your post before I put mine up.

[Exultant Democracy]

132. BS and disgusting at that

Don’t need to spread false rumors about these poor girls, they didn’t get a choice in their father. We can knock Bush out of office on his records as an office holder, we don’t need to go after his family.

[BiggJawn]

134. You could have the ORIGINAL reports in your hands....

and it wouldn't mean JACK. This is THE Bush, remember?

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

135. Is This Where It Comes From?

Scroll down nearly 7/8 of the long page. It was posted at this site by someone named Lisa. The story references the fact that this was a big story in England. Did it make any tabloids there?

http://216.239.37.104/search?q=cache:c5dxbW5NctUJ:shades.dgrundy.com/+jenna+bush+psychologist%27s+examination+sodomy&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

[NewJeffCT]

139. Nothing here yet...

I haven't seen anything of it, anywhere.

[9215]

167. Nice catch!

She also cites Reuters as the source.

Welcome to DU :toast:

[Bucky]

178. Specific problems with the Bush-child molester email hoax

Here's the play by play of problems with that child molester story:

Republican workers in Austin, the Texas state capital and a very liberal Democrat stronghold, are busy trying to quash rumors circulating about George W. Bush's past concerning his out of control twin daughters, Barbara and Jenna Bush.

Reuters doesn't use phrases like "a very liberal Democrat stronghold".

Apparently, both Texas Monthly and the Austin-American Statesman have been handed reports from the Austin Police department police Department detailing a psychologist's examination of Jenna Bush relating to her arrest for unlawful behavior on May 29, 2001.

Notice how "police department" is repeated, the first time with the P capitalized and the second time with the D capitalized. Was this an editing error? A copying error? This is not the sort of thing that goes out over a news wire, either.

If there were "Republican workers" trying to suppress the story, why haven't we heard anything from either the American-Stateman or Texas Monthly? I read TM and this is really not their cup of tea.

Jenna wasn't charged with "unlawful behavior. She was charged with using a fake idea to buy an alcoholic drink. Hardly the phrasing used by a professional reporter. News writers also don't use interjections like "apparently", they say "allegedly".

Finally, why would the Austin police hand over these documents to reporters now, two years after the story died?

In this detailed report, in depth questions about her and her sisters' childhood were asked, especially concerning her at that time alcoholic father.

"At that time" Dubya most certainly wasn't an alcoholic, as the official story goes. He quit drinking years before, tho the actual time moves around. He was 40 when he got the DUI in Maine--14 years before he was "elected". An official newswire service would stick by those facts and not imply Bush was drinking in 2001.


People who have seen the document say that it, if real, contains a political bombshell for both the current President's re-election possibilities, and even the puts a cloud over the possibility of him finishing his full-term.

Too much speculation to be a professional reporter's work.

If the document were genuine, in normal circumstances, one would then have to question the truth of the allegations made by Jenna Bush. However, the fact that the President's daughter has made allegations of sexual abuse and sodomy against her father, albeit in a confidential setting, alone would wreck any Republican chances in the November 2004 race.

The first mention of specifics comes this far down in the "story". Sorry, but an allegation this strong would lead off with the meat of the story--allegations of incest against the president. Instead it's written chronologically, like a work of fiction, to lead the reader into buying into the story's fantastic claims.


It would also undermine his brother Jeb's chances of retaining the Florida Governorship, especially as Governor Jeb Bush's own daughter, Noelle was caught faking prescriptions for drugs.

If the story were true, it would have no bearing on Jeb's job, since he was just reelected a year ago and will be in office through 2007. Wild speculations again, in this case intending to smear the Bushies with more mud.


Journalists in Austin have been trying to investigate rumors that Karl Rove, an assistant to George W. Bush, was in contact with the Austin P.D. each time the sisters were arrested. Travis County D.A. Ronnie Earle has subpoenaed the papers, and put a gagging order on the two publications until further investigation can determine the source and whether or not the documents are genuine.

"Each time the sisters were arrested" is absurd. They were in trouble with the law once each.

"Gagging order" has been discussed at length elsewhere.


Also, publishing the papers even if, as is thought likely, they prove to be real, could still be illegal, as they are covered by confidentiality laws and the content can only be revealed under subpoena in a court of law.

These statements are not even close to being true. Otherwise www.TheSmokingGun.com would be out of business. Both girls were legal adults when they got in trouble. The author knows this is claim is probably crap, which is why he explains at length in the next section that...

For this to happen, they would have to represent evidence in a case, highly unlikely as the Bush twins have already been convicted and given mild punishments for all the criminal activities that they have been involved in.

If, as is possible, the documents prove to be false, then printing them would constitute libel. If that happened, it is likely that the president would push to have the case heard outside Austin, as he is likely to receive sympathy in other parts of Texas. (Reuters)

What utter nonsense. Expect this puppy to turn up on Snopes.com in a few days.

[9215]

185. Yea, but it could be true.

Look at the historical link between pedophiles and Republicans.

[noonwitch]

137. I'm not sure I believe this.

I'm not saying that it's impossible, because we all know anything is possible, but there's no link and in light of the allegations about Michael Jackson, who knows what somebody could start without about Bush without any proof or documentation.

If it is true, he's finished in politics and so is the rest of the godforsaken clan.

[grasswire]

138. I sent it to snopes

Let them sort it out.

[VOX]

141. This one scrapes the bottom of the bucket...

And there is no honor in it.

Let's fight like hell, but wage our battles upon on the issues.

[9215]

142. Republican pedophiles operate in concert

if you believe the "Franklin coverup". I don't have the info handy but there was this video tape about a Repug who had a child prostitution ring made up of runaways. With something or other about Poppy being involved. But don't quote me on this.

The video link was here at DU and seemed very real. If so what Bush did to his daughter would come as no surprise. Hell the bastard is responsible for the slaughter of thousands in Iraq for no good reason, this is...uh, er...child's play....by comparison.


Plus what did he say about "know child's left behind"....that's pretty suggestive too? :bounce:

[Minstrel Boy]

145. Here's the "Conspiracy of Silence" thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=392459

I put some other links in post #131.

Those who choose to disbelieve this, please download and view the suppressed British documentary. Then go on to read John DeCamp's The Franklin Cover-Up.

A small part of the story: a paedophile prostitution ring was rewarded with after-hour tours of the Reagan White House, arranged by George Bush's National Security Advisor Donald Gregg. After the story broke, Craig Spence, GOP lobbyist who operated the ring, which was also used by the CIA for sexual blackmail, was promptly found dead in a Boston hotel room in 1989. "Suicide," naturally.

Remember: just because it's awful, doesn't mean it isn't true.

[9215]

156. Yea, that's it.

So maybe this "rumor" isn't so far fetched.

[Minstrel Boy]

158. It's the worst thing, and the darkest secret

After discovering the story thanks to that thread I got a copy of The Franklin Cover-Up, and have since read a lot about government-sanctioned child abuse. The similarities around the world are highly disturbing, and patterns keep repeating. (Remember, for instance, the case in Belgium in the mid-90s? A monstrous ring said to incriminate scores of elites was said to have operated with the collusion of authorities.)

Lots to read here, and in subsequent parts (linked at bottom):

http://davesweb.cnchost.com/pedo1.html

Remember Bush's peculiar interjection of child sexual slavery in his latest UN speech? What was that about, and to whom was he speaking?

[9215]

162. Bush's speech

happened at about the time that the Franklin coverup was being discussed at DU. Interestingly Bush validates the story about child sex slave trading by coming out against it.

I wonder what the Justice Dept. is doing about things like the Franklin cover-up. It would be interesting to see their response to being supplied with the info.

[TacticalPeek]

143. Total provocateur BS.

I often see in aWol the 'nervous confidence' look of the guilty.

But the black cloud weighing on him is his guilt of much worse things than what is fantasized in this poppycock.

[oasis]

152. This story has "boomerang" written all over it.

[Lisa]

149. for the twins' sake, I hope this isn't true!

I know a woman who was sexually abused as a child. She's had a miserable life ... and because of what happened, the supports which the rest of us rely on in times of trouble (family, longtime friends) are unavailable to her because they were complicit (or at least ignored it).

Really, really horrible. I wouldn't wish that on anybody. Even George W.

[SavageWombat]

154. Simple

Look, it's quite simple.

We know it's obviously just a rumor, and a bad one.

So be sure to tell everyone you know that the rumor - you know, the one about Bush abusing his daughter - is obviously not true. Everyone should know that no intelligent person could possibly believe that this rumor - you know, the one about Bush abusing his daughter - has any truth to it.

Why go around spreading lies?

[smirkymonkey]

161. Are you serious??

I don't necessarily believe the manner in which the information was delivered is above board, but I do not think the accusation itself is so preposterous.

You can't go around saying with absolute certainty that something isn't true unless you have PROOF that it isn't true. Well, you can of course, but it is just as ridculous as saying with absolute certainty that it IS true.

Some people think it has veracity, and some don't - As far as I know, nobody can say either with 100% certainty.

Personally, it is so in line with his character that I am more likely than not to believe it. What's with all the denial these days about W's evildoing? Surely notihing is beneath him.

[9215]

163. LOL!

You are right. We need to tell EVERYONE that it is a weird rumor. Do some polls citing Bush alleged rape of that woman that died recently and see if we can determine the publics perception on the truthfullness of it.

Then show the Franklin cover-up tape and discuss whether it is a rumor or not.

Go to schools, churches, rape clinics, quash the rumor far and wide.......:evilgrin:


Then check for correlations between children who are sexually abused and drug use.

:bounce:

[Malva Zebrina]

166. I can't believe it--164 posts on this shit

argghh -- I wasted my time even reading any of it. the only honest person here is the person who said they did not care if Jenna was sodomized as long as Bush was villified--

Most, I suspect, in spite of all the thread nannying, and tch tching, if it DID happen to be true, complete with all sorts of the reaquired documentation, would be secretly glad, while spouting off their little "niceties" and their reluctance to be "freeper like"

It smells of dishonesty.

Personally, if it were to be proven to be true I would rejoice. and that is nothing but sheer honesty. I would not care one bit if anyone villified me for that sentiment.

And I suspect all other Bush haters would feel the same. LOL--it is the father here, Bush, who is the main player==

Stop the shit--being so nice and feighing compassion to the spoiled brat Jenna--it is NOT about Jenna--it is about George Bush , if any of it is at all the truth.

Get your path straight and get to know yourself--most of you would delight in reading aobut the perverted George Bush, should any of this turn out to be true and documented. It would bring him down and we would be saved from his fascism.

You would , of course, say you are very sorry that the poor little rich girl, Jenna, had to suffer while delighting in the scandal. Know thyself.

[dflprincess]

170. The stress an alcoholic puts on his (or her) family

is enough to call him an abusive father. I hope those girls didn't have to suffer anything else. Even if it's true (and it looks doubtful), I also hope it doesn't become public unless one of the twins is the one who takes it public. IF they have been sexually abused, having the whole world know it before they're ready to talk about it is just abusing them again.

[morgan2]

171. George touched me too

you know.. Down there.

[maddezmom]

173. where are the links?

these are serious allegations.

[Ugnmoose]

175. Time to call Larry Flynt

[9215]

188. good idea

[peacetalksforall]

177. I would be disappointed in any DUers act like

rednecks by taking the stance that he is guilty until proven innocent just as they do on FOX, CNN, and the NBCs and all the radio shows.

Stay in the adult by using IF.

It's one thing to think the worst politically and another to assume the worst when their is a young adult involved.

Besides, this is smelly.

[9215]

187. But what about the history of Repug pedophiles?

The Franklin coverup and all.

[Gman]

181. The woman that filed the lawsuit against Bush

that claimed he raped her also said he raped her when she was a minor.

BTW, she committed suicide a couple of weeks ago.