Kerry shouldn't have used the F word

[bearfartinthewoods]

i'm very disappointed. it's not that i don't let fly with it myself from time to time but i would never do it during an interview and especially not if i were running for office. the term 'foul mouthed'
should never be something to aim for. it would be one thing if he was overheard saying it but to do it intentionally is not good.

also, it's condesending....thinking you have to swear to get the votes of young people. how shallow does he think they are?

and, i'm sorry to say, it smells of desperation....John Kerry has "jumped the shark", i'm afraid and that makes me very sad. such an excellant history of service to the dem party and liberalism and he has been reduced to swearing for effect to try and get notice.

[pruner]

1. they read the article on Washington Journal

[Cronus Protagonist]

2. Jesus Fucking Christ

This is the fuckjign 21st century and we still have lists of banned words? This place is going to hell in a handbasket.

FUCK BUSH Buttons, Stickers & Magnets

[bearfartinthewoods]

11. do you use the word during job interviews? that's what Kerry did.

when i was young, my mom and i had a go round about this.

she said 'it isn't about the word, it's about the person using it'.

it says 'i am not disciplined enough or intelligent enough to express myself with out using this word.' it is not an impressive use of language in most venues and reflects poorly on the person.

for the reasons i stated previously, i don't think this applies to Kerry. his usage was probably intentional, as a gimmick and for some reason, that offends me more that bush's 'fuckin asshole' remark.

[PaDUer]

34. It's ok when * uses the word...

they BLANK it out..but when any D uses it, they make a big production over it..Screw them!

[bearfartinthewoods]

39. if bush ever said fuck during an interview i guarantee it would be news.

[Scott Lee]

69. He already did.

It was reported several times - a White House aide was near Condi's office when they were having a conversation about Saddam (this was prewar). The Chimp walked by and ducked his head in the door long enough to say "Fuck him...we're taking him out!"

Goodness, is that what Jesus would have said?

[Nile]

75. Yeah, Right...

Show us the link to that one.

[oasis]

80. This is common knowledge at DU. Stick around and learn something.

BTW, welcome :hi:

edited to add: Chimpy also refereed to a writer as a "son of a bitch" during his 2000 campaign. Cheney acknowledged his comment by saying "yeah, big time". That was broadcast by the news media at the time.

[oasis]

91. Late correction: Chimpy called the writer "a major league a--hole"

[Nile]

110. Thanks, I remember the 'major league a--hole one but...

had not heard of the 'f***' one until now. But now that many here have filled me in on the details I feel more informed.

Thank you everyone,
Nile

[Scott Lee]

84. Yeah right....here are your links, Skippy

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article2835.htm

"As he marched the nation to war, Bush presented himself as a Christian man of peace who saw war only as a last resort. But in a remarkable though little noted disclosure, Time magazine reported that in March 2002 – a full year before the invasion – Bush outlined his real thinking to three U.S. senators, “Fuck Saddam,” Bush said. “We’re taking him out.”

Time actually didn’t report the quote exactly that way. Apparently not to offend readers who admire Bush’s moral clarity, Time printed the quote as “F--- Saddam. We’re taking him out.”

Bush offered his pithy judgment after sticking his head in the door of a White House meeting between National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice and three senators who had been discussing strategies for dealing with Iraq through the United Nations. The senators laughed"

Time magazine link to this story -

http://www.time.com/time/covers/1101030331/




You're welcome.

[TahitiNut]

85. "us"??

See http://www.consortiumnews.com/Print/040803.html ...

As he marched the nation to war, Bush presented himself as a Christian man of peace who saw war only as a last resort. But in a remarkable though little noted disclosure, Time magazine reported that in March 2002 – a full year before the invasion – Bush outlined his real thinking to three U.S. senators, “Fuck Saddam,” Bush said. “We’re taking him out.”

Time actually didn’t report the quote exactly that way. Apparently not to offend readers who admire Bush’s moral clarity, Time printed the quote as “F--- Saddam. We’re taking him out.”

Bush offered his pithy judgment after sticking his head in the door of a White House meeting between National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice and three senators who had been discussing strategies for dealing with Iraq through the United Nations. The senators laughed uncomfortably at Bush’s remark, Time reported. <Time story posted March 23, 2003>

While not treated to the same 'play' as the peddled lies about Al Gore in 2000, some mainstream media did report this in various venues.

Is this a good enough link for "us"? :eyes:

[PaDUer]

87. Chimpy and gang

do LET the "nice words" out, even on the campaign trail...I hope you didn't think the was holier than thou!!

[PaDUer]

99. * is FAR from an angel..

he's a hypocrite to the fullest..It's do as I say, not as I do..Him and his entire family are a disgrace. What about his bro Jeb flipping the finger to the grannies in FL...Are you aware of that..Plus, no matter what that so-called family does, it's hushed.

IF this were the Clintons, every friggin freeper would be having a field day, but when the shoes on the other foot, they go in hiding and trying to protect him while he sticks it up their a$$ sideways w/ a smile on his face. You better start paying attention to fact instead of hiding the truth and stop going along w/ the freepers who are slowly coming out from under the rocks, and I've seen many a thread that the intelligent freepers are facing the facts and post it, UNTIL a diehard freep comes along and tries to insult and embarrass the rest of the freeps whose eyes have been opening.

There's more occasions that * has used strong language and gotten away with it. He's far from a saint, and his using his faith is just a coverup w/ the rest of the hypocrites. If he and his mob weren't so scared, they'd be moving around freely as the other elected presidents have done, but let me tell you this, he's a marked man for the rest of his life. Let the covers come off and let the truth out. The rest of the people in the US and other countries do know the truth, and have had enough.

[MIMStigator]

89. Didn't BOW TIE BOY Tucker Carlson write about * using F everyother word?

I know I read this. does anybody have details or links?

[peekaloo]

92. an article that alludes to that interview

http://davidicke.www.50megs.com/icke/magazine/vol8/news/bushpottymouth.html

[oasis]

82. "yeah, big time" as Dick Cheney would say.

[qwertyMike]

3. Prime Minister Trudeau

said "fuck off" in the Canadian Parliament in the '70's.

He got re-elected later in a landslide. A fuckin' landslide.

Course he was dating Barbra Streisand at that time. Maybe that helped. :)

[MrPrax]

78. He said he didn't say it

He claimed to say...Fuddle Duddle

LOL...

[JailBush]

4. I don't ordinarily use profanity, but I used it abundantly in politics.

I've run for public office three times, and I revel in slinging mud at my opponents and anyone else who is corrupt. I do it partly to break down the mantle of phony "civility."

I do think it's a little extreme for a presidential candidate to use the F word, but it doesn't strike me as a really big deal. Didn't George Bush call a reporter an as*hole during Campaign 2000?

[Kremer]

5. What did Kerry say?

Did he say fuck Bush? That's ok for me. The way things are going in this country, I say fuck about every 10 minutes!!!

[trof]

9. Something like

"I didn't think Bush* would fuck up the economy this badly".

[amazona]

74. "I didn't think he would fuck it up this badly"

He referring to the Whistleass
It referring to Iraq

[virtualobserver]

6. It was a calculated move to draw attention to himself....

we shall see if it works.

I would not have done it.

[eileen_d]

88. You think it's a "fucking" conspiracy on Kerry's part?

In other words... how (the fuck) do you know it was a calculated move?

[Lexingtonian]

7. Hey, this is the major leagues!

Don't forget the man in office's comment about Adam Clymer....

[izzie]

8. Last election a man wrote about Bush's awful words but....

They were sort of said with friends only. I am sure this reporter did not last long on the trips with Bush as he wrote about other silly things he did.Even then Bush was kept in this bubble.

[duhneece]

10. There are times when it is F***ing appropriate to use

the 'f' word.
When I burn my hand on a hot pan & it hurts, I say it is hot.
When I burn my hand & get a blister, it is really hot.
But when I burn my hand and some skin sticks to the hot pan, then it is f***ing hot.
I find Kerry's use of the word appropriate.

[jpgray]

12. As a Kerry fan, I agree with you

It just isn't presidential, even if it is honest. Presidential candidates are not allowed to be honest, not if they want to be competitive--this may even be affected, but then again maybe not. I would love to be a fly on the wall in every candidate's home or office when they are discussing Bush in private. :D

[virtualobserver]

13. this was no accident

it was a calculated move.

[jpgray]

16. It's hard to tell sometimes with Kerry

His campaign has been a muddle of the real Kerry and the 'real' Kerry affectations. I don't have much of a Spidey sense when it comes to his comments on how much it shows Kerry as a person--Dean is much easier to read this way, you can tell when he has his feet and is personally excited about something.

[liberalitch]

33. besides..... find me an ex-navy man

who does NOT (oops) let the sailor talk fly and I'll show you someone who wasn't really IN the navy.
John Kerry stood with his men and not fucking apart from them....
This does not mean that navy men are uncivil.... I was born and raised in Norfolk, Va. and know the real meaning of "talks like a sailor"..... I love the navy it makes this town recession proof!

[virtualobserver]

44. he is also a disciplined politician.

This was a deliberate not an accidental act.

[eileen_d]

provide some fucking proof, please

[virtualobserver]

95. I see, so you think that Kerry just loses control and says "Fuck"....

....during interviews. He is a seasoned, disciplined politician....there is no way that this is an accident. It may have been a good move, only time will tell, but this was deliberate.

[bearfartinthewoods]

98. please re read,,,,,,,,,,

i said it was for effect....

[bearfartinthewoods]

97. buy rolling stone and read it yourself.

[virtualobserver]

94. .......

.....

[bearfartinthewoods]

14. lol...i think about my mom, spinning in her grave

listening to me talk, in private about bush. fly on the wall indeed.

btw the first and only time i ever heard her say fuck was in a rant about poppy, so maybe it runs in the family.

[KharmaTrain]

15. Look Who He's Trying To Reach

Others have edged the point...Kerry's reaching to the demo that reads Rolling Stone (primarily 18-34 Male) and to do so with the "vernacular" that is most effective...fuckin' right he is.

C'mon, whose really offended by anyone using the "f" word these days? It sure ain't the cable channels that spew it more often than virtually other. It sure isn't the offices where 4 letter words fly way above the "Productivity" rate. Anyone who is shocked by the the word "fuck" being used, especially in an adjective form, surely isn't reading Rolling Stone and wasn't going to be a Kerry voter in the first place.

Someone pointed out Trudeau's remarks in the 70's, or bunnypants and his "macho"...dare we point out the expletive deletes (and how that word came about in the first place) of the Nixon era. In '74, I was working at an NPR affiliate when the transcriptions of the Nixon tapes were released. The network had a copy with the four letter words included and aired them as such...under the FCC rule (at the time) that the use of these words were being done in a "historical context" and part of a document that must be presented in it's unedited form for proper interpretation. The FCC quickly gave their blessings (of for those days). This is also a similar rule that stations have used to avoid fines for airing songs with "cuss words"...as they are part of a "work of art" and by editing them, this is violating the copyright and the artist's intention (this has stood up in court as well).

Personally I wish the candidates would lash out with more passion about this regime. Gephardt's been the most vocal, at times, but this has rhetoric has to be turned up just to get a hearing over the noise the opposition has and will raise. We have to reach out to those who aren't happy with the way things are...point out what's going on and give them a reason to throw out this regime. This is a first step.

[bearfartinthewoods]

23. i bet you any money that more people will hear "about" the interview

in other media than will actually read the interview.

there is no such thing as targeted statements anymore, at least not in the sense i think was intended. the whole country knows what he said or will soon and believe it or not, there are a lot of people who don't use the word in public conversations and will think ill of him for doing so.

[Hep]

24. More to the point

People who already don't like him will repeat their issue with his "inability to control his mouth" from now until the election.

Kerry fans who bashed Dean for his self control deserve what they get.

[Gman]

17. If Bush hadn't fucked it up

Kerry wouldn't have had to say it.

[PaDUer]

35. * F'd up many many times..

and he got away w/ it..too friggin bad if the shoe fits him..it's about time the truth comes out..And, those words are nothing to whine about because they ALL use them in DC..there aren't any angels there, not a one, including the "pretenders".

[NewYorkerfromMass]

101. Damn right. And Iraq's a major F-up just in terms of lives lost

as of now and for many years to come. Who knows what the future repercussions will be?

[Hep]

18. Amen

This is where I would talk about what Rove will do with this if Kerry wins the nomination. But I'm not a basher, and I don't care.

[agingdem]

19. I want to know...

did Bush and Co." mess up" Iraq or did they "screw up" Iraq or did they "muddy up" Iraq? No!...those neo-con assholes fucked up Iraq big time!

[Hep]

21. You running for president?

We all know presidents probably swear in office. But not in interviews.

[Cheswick2.0]

20. Kerry has jumped the shark many times in the last two years

I am sorry and I know his supporters want to ignore it, but Kerry is screwing up all by himself. He may still pull it out, but I think the momentum favors several other candidates.
The idea that he "stood down" in 2000 and would have been a better candidate than Gore is not much more than a flight of fancy. Kerry knew he could not beat Gore, that is why he did not run and there was no party support in his trying to do so. Though I think in his mind and in the mind of his supporters (some of whom seem to think the initials JFK and the fact that he is from Ma is somehow significant) he was the better man/intellect/candidate.

Kerry has always been a calculating politician IMO. This time (this election) he badly miscalculated. On the other hand if I am wrong I will do my best to get the guy elected.

[adadem]

30. Gore/Kerry

Am a Gore and a Kerry fan. I believe 2000 would have gone differently if Gore had chosen Kerry, Shaheen or any other VP choice. I don't care for Lieberman then and I still don't care for him now.
(Spent the last two years preparing for a Gore candidacy and when he took himself out of the race I donated and volunteered for various draft Gore and Gore supporter groups.)

"Though I think in his mind and in the mind of his supporters (some of whom seem to think the initials JFK and the fact that he is from Ma is somehow significant) he was the better man/intellect/candidate."

I've attended many Kerry events and I've never, ever seen what you mention above. Everyone has been very down to earth. No different from what I've seen of other candidates. (Except for Deans followers who are beginning to appear robotic..what's with this?)

I like most of the candidates except two and will work my tail off for all the candidates except one.

[Octafish]

22. Bearfartinthewoods, you cracked me up!

Is there a better word to use to describe what Bushler has done to Iraq? Heck, "fucked" describes what the BFEE has done to America for 40 years.

Regarding the jumped shark: John Kerry is the best chance we've had in 35 years to do reverse that course and rebuild America into the kind of place it once was — a land of equal opportunity for "We the People." That's why he's a Liberal Democrat, a fighting Democrat.

[bearfartinthewoods]

28. you don't have to sell me

Kerry is my number 2 but that doesn't mean i can't see his mistakes and i think this was a mistake. i'm watching fox sunday show right now and that BIGTIME asshole hume just referred to the remark as intentional and kinda pathetic.

no one running for president should even intentionally say something that let's, no...invites his behavior to be deemed kinda pathetic.

you can say that the pubbie press will say that about anything any of our people say whenever they get the chance.

but....this time i agree. this isn't bashing...it's mourning.

[Octafish]

36. Thanks, bear'! You make two important points ...

...that I see from my perspective and many more on the thread:

1. The conduct of the candidate must be above reproach, one which attract as many as possible and repel as few as possible.

2. Kerry's gotten more free publicity out of this than just about any foreign or domestic policy speech he's made since he threw his hat in the ring. Ruppert the Alien wants to charge people like Kerry for airtime (Bush the Giver of Taxbreaks, gets "freebies").

I don't agree that Kerry is deceased. He often looks that way. If I knew what he knew, I'd probably look worse. LOL!

[bearfartinthewoods]

42. i hope you are right.

[Patriot_Spear]

25. Wow, you're cracking on Kerry for being human...

Nothing personal, but I like Kerry MORE for this brief flash of humanity.

[Hep]

26. I wouldn't mind at all

but it seems so gratuitous.

[Military Brat]

27. "F*** Saddam, we're taking him out."

Anyone in America who isn't aware that bush** spoke those words at a meeting, before the hype began of giving Saddam a chance, isn't paying attention. bush** has a foul mouth to match his foul character.

I think Kerry probably regrets the moment of profanity, but the f'ing horse is out of the barn and it's too late to lock the stable. Let's concentrate on the import of the message rather than its contents. The f-word has lost its impact, anyway, it's overused, and personally I use the word "bush," as in "bush you!"

[bearfartinthewoods]

31. one of the panel just said they asked Kerry's campaign staff

and they said it was intentional. i knew it. Kerry has presence and experience and wouldn't have said this if it wasn't intentional.

as someone said up thread, we'll see if it helps.

[Room101]

29. Bush called a reporter an ASSWHOLE on video

I don't know what it is, but I like that fire seems to have sneaked attacked Kerry’s belly.

[creativelcro]

32. well, learn to

fucking live with it :)

[Hep]

37. My other reply

Kerry sees that Dean's perceived anger and quickness to speak has helped him. He's just trying it out.

When you're having trouble inspiring peas he is, and when you're down in the polls, you have the luxury of trying new things.

[creativelcro]

68. I see the point, but if kerry does not have his own

style than he should just quit... Trying to emulate Dean is not gonna cut it, no ? It looks phony and he looks like somebody who has no style of his own, which is probably true...

[rucky]

38. Hey, Pitt...how about that cold anger?

n/t

[DrFunkenstein]

47. That's Outrage, Not Inner Rage

Deanies like to make up their own version of what we're talking about. Kerry is outraged by the Bush administration's shenanigans, but he doesn't lose his shit on a personal level like Dean.

[Hep]

51. On a personal level?

Give an example for chrissakes!

[creativelcro]

70. Yup, so cold I'm freezing...

[nomaco-10]

40. Kerry and the *F* word

I was watching C-Span this am also. I will paraphrase the quote in context of the Rolling Stone article. starts out.... Kerry: "I didn't know Dean was gonna go so far left" and then goes on to say re his IWR vote: I didn't know bush was gonna fuck it up so bad". The writer of the article about the RS interview read on C-Span, accuses Kerry of trying to be "cool" for the RS crowd..

I will reserve my full opinion about Kerry until I am able to read the entire interview, but so far I'd have to say Kerry comes across as pretty whiney, blaming Dean for his failure to do better in the race for the nomination because of his attacks on him for his IWR vote and then blaming bush for fucking up the post war Iraq. Note there is no remorse on Kerry's part for supporting bush' war, just that "bush* fucked it up", therefore fucking up his chances for the nomination. Kerry, Kerry, Kerry......

[xchrom]

41. boring

who cares? so not an issue -- presidents have been cursing for years and the public knows it:boring:

[curse10]

43. I don't care, it's a non-issue

I don't see why everyone is making such a big deal out of it. So he dropped the f-bomb?

People do it all the time. Fuck. My civil procedure professor (a 79 year old, well respected, professor) dropped it the other day in class. We didn't get all up in arms about it. Was it a little shocking? Yep. But did he use it in correct context? Fuck yes!

[lumpy]

45. It is probably the most used good old word

in the English language. Shakespeare made it popular in literature and people during the Vietnam era really popularized it. For pete's sake the little 4 year old kid across the street has no problem with this word of multiple uses. I believe the nastiest word in the English language happens to be feces. The Tempest in a tea pot.

[last1standing]

46. Kerry has been the Al Gore of 2004.

Both tremendously able to lead the country, but unable to show the passion necessary to win election. Like Gore, Kerry seems unable to handle his handlers. I think it's good that he's losing support for the nomination, this time, but I hope he has it together for 2012.

[DrFunkenstein]

48. Kerry Dropped His DC Insiders, And The Change Is Palpable

Kerry is playing it fast and loose. Being underdog does him good. Anyone that watched Florida knows that he is coming on strong. And his speeches lately reflect that.

[last1standing]

49. Personally, I think it's too late for Kerry this time.

But if I'm wrong, I'm good with that. I just want the best candidate for the general to win. We'll see what happens.

[DrFunkenstein]

54. Agreed, There Are Too Many Fortune Tellers 'Round Here

Let's wait until an actual vote is cast before casting aspersions.

[Scott Lee]

72. Nah, jus' us stupid and gullible Dean supporters. Hnyuck.

[bearfartinthewoods]

83. we were just talking about this

watching Kerry this year is a LOT like watching Al last time.

just as infuriating also. i know he could wipe the floor with bush any day of the week. he just seems to be afraid to be himself straight out and instead is trying gimmicks like this.

pisses me off.

[Monte Carlo]

50. Oh boy, let he who is without sin cast the first stone...

Hey, can anyone really think of a better phrase to describe what Bush has done with the Iraqi adventure, or the economy, or the country for that matter? The Rolling Stone has always been more liberal with language.

[Hep]

52. The Rolling Stone has always been more liberal with language.

So you're suggesting that they put words in his mouth?

[Monte Carlo]

53. No, but they a much more liberal magazine...

... and their readers are much less likely - than say, People - to get offended over the seven dirty words.

[Hep]

55. True, but

it isn't like RS has exclusive rights. Those words will be and have been repeated for the world. I don't care that he swore. I just think he did it on purpose to look stronger or cooler than he really is. Like when Al Gore tried to look like he was alive!

[Monte Carlo]

56. Or maybe he was just using it casually.

... I mean, he only used the word once by my count. And how do you know how cool he really is, honestly?

Hey, I don't know if you've ever been to New England or the Boston, but I can tell you, the seven dirty words are firmly embedded in our everyday language. Double for those who play hockey or who are Democrats.

[Hep]

58. What can I say?

I'm in the rock and roll biz, I know all about it. And yeah, you have a beautiful city, although I'm only familiar with the corner of Brookline and Mass Ave in Cambridge, as well as the route to Mass General.

[arewethereyet]

57. class with a capital "K"

but when you're up reeling like he is you have to do something.

what does he have to lose ?

[Redleg]

59. Tempest in a teapot.

I doubt the use of "fuck" in that context will hurt Kerry much if at all. Should he have chosen another word?- perhaps, but I'm not going to criticize him for something I do all the time.

[KittyWampus]

60. In Art Criticism We Learned Sometimes Using Profanity Is Appropraite

Sometimes a deKooning sculpture really does look like a pile of shit.

Sometimes a politician really does fuck things up.

When a word is appropriate and descriptive- why not use it other than snobbery.

[Selwynn]

61. I agree - it was unprofessional and disapointing.

[Bush loves Jiang]

62. Big fuddle-duddling deal...

Trudeau used it. ;-)

[Colin Ex]

63. Hey, remember

when Dubya called Adam Clymer a major league asshole?

Yeah, me too.

-C

[Piperay]

64. I actually respect

him more for it. :shrug:

[mitchum]

65. Profanity is a privilege of the articulate...

I have no fucking problem with it

[truth2power]

66. Oh, Please!

Ok by me that he used it. So what? This country is in mortal...that's MORTAL (as in life-threatening) danger. :hurts: Seems like it fits the seriousness of the situation.

Just MHO.

[Scott Lee]

67. Disagree! Kerry told it like it was for a change.

[sistersofmercy]

103. Well...

Kewl! Thanks for that post SL! I still think you're a little stinker, though.:evilgrin:
It's a regional term, ask and I'll explain.

[the_real_38]

71. Not presidential...

... I use that word all the time, and his assessment was perfectly accurate, but he has to remember what he's up against. They're going to protray him as not-ready-for-prime-time because of this, and if he did ever have to directly face Bush, this would kill him in the South.

BTW, Bush uses that word all the time, or did last time he ran for President, but we all know how hands-off the press is about Bush's private behavior.

[amazona]

73. I don't agree

The "f" word is part of normal human discourse by this time of century. Once it was vulgar to say someone screwed something up (which means exactly the same thing as saying they effed it up) and then through common usage "screwed" really became a part of normal discourse. The "f" word is going the same way. WHo is really offended by it under the age of 80? It's just a word, and we all use it. A refreshing lack of hypocrisy and plain speaking is always a pleasant thing to see in a public speaker.

If blunt plain speaking gets notice, high time. And good for Kerry for being so honest. It got his message out to far more than just the readers of Rolling Stone.

[Robin Hood]

76. But he was right, Bush did fuck everything up.

How can you argue with that?

[robsul82]

77. I think somebody rented Bulworth...

...if JFK shows up at the next debate in FUBU, don't say I didn't warn you.

Later.

RJS

[Q]

79. One more...

...useless thread about 'what the right is saying about the candidates'...while Bush* rapes and pillages without restraint.

- Bush* is guaranteed another four years if this is considered an important topic of conservation.

[Catherine Vincent]

81. So what?

Whistle ass uses those words. A lot of people do. No big deal.

[mikehiggins]

86. Yeah, he should have called him a mfakcsposw. To start with n/t

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

90. Bearfart, I disagree VERY much with your assessment

(I can't tell whether she-bear or he-bear posted the original message...reason I ask is because I know she-bear shares an interest in linguistics)

On the use of the word itself:

FUCKED UP most accurately describes what has occurred. It may offend a few but in reality, it is the best descriptor for ALL of their miscalculations regarding this war and their failure to listen to any info that didn't agree with what they wanted to believe.

On KERRY using the word:

I reject the notion that it came out of his mouth in a calculated manner to appeal to young people. I seriously doubt it was planned with his campaign team that he MAKE SURE he say FUCK UP to appeal to young voters. Once the article is available for review, I will contemplate this further but I would venture to guess the atmosphere of the interview gave Kerry a chance to authentically open up and express things as he really sees them. When one is comforatble..one expresses their sentiments comfortably.

[UTUSN]

93. Me, Too. Let's See - Illegal War vs One F-word

On one side -------illegal war, pillaging of the public funds, savaging of programs for the public good, unfettered greed and conflict of interest, the savaging of international relations. And on the other side, one F-word. Yep, sounds equal.

And there's another thread nearby asking where the outrage is over another daily death of soldiers. Well, the F-word sounds fairly outraged.

Otoh, it might backfire like the WELLSTONE memorial service

[Guaranteed]

105. Yeah...it's an understatement, really. nt

[bearfartinthewoods]

113. RE she-bear ..we are no longer sharing an account.

she-bear has her own account now but i don't think she's posting much anymore. she's very involved in her work with the shelter and the kids are her focus right now because of the holidays. right now, she is out rounding up sleds. there is a really great hill behind the shelter and yesterday, the best the kids could come up with was sharing some cardboard. besides that, the battles you refrenced really turned her off to this place.

as to the calculation, it's just my opinion based on the fact that he's a pro and pro's don't usually do things like this without forethought. i'm not saying he went in there determined to work fuck into the conversation but he obviously went in there with a mindset that wasn't averse to using it if the opportunity arose.

there is a difference in being comfortable and groundbreaking. he would be the first pres candidate to say fucked-up on the record and i still don't think that's a good idea..

but bush's biting at the issue makes them look silly as hell so maybe it will be good for something.

[LittleDannySlowhorse]

96. I disagree

For one thing, I think he was right. He was calling a spade a spade, as they say. But I think it touches on a larger issue of what we expect from our candidates as far as their demeanor is concerned. I think that a lot of the ways we expect our candidates to behave is just not realistic. The man is 60 years old, and if he had never cussed in his life by that age I would find him a little weird, personally.

[Dr Fate]

100. "I'll never eat Ketchup again"

...

[oasis]

107. Now where have I heard that before?

;-)

[bearfartinthewoods]

112. careful guys....don't poke she-bear!!!

it's Christmas time again and she is right where she was last year. ...too many kids at the shelter and not enough money. don't get her started again...please? i have to live with her :grin:

[sistersofmercy]

102. You have...

got to be fucking kidding? Fuck that! Bush* fucked up, no fucking other way to say it! Fuck! Oops did I fucking offend anybody, well, golly, I'm fucking sorry about that!

[gardenista]

104. I say we have a big F*** Out!

Get all the candidates on stage during a debate, get everyone at home to open their windows and doors, and all at one time, yell

"Fuck you, George Bush, you are a liar, and a fuckup who fucking fucks up everything he touches."

I'm glad Kerry used the F word, and I hope he uses it again.

[Romberry]

106. Not only should he have used it...

...he should have used it long ago. The only thing he should have done differently is refuse to be part of the traditional Democratic circular firing squad. He should have left Dr. Dean out of his remarks. Bush is the enemy. Not us.

[CWebster]

108. What a clod

Pandering to his audience again with typical bad judgement and inappropriateness.

Kerry just can't find the groove and all his efforts come across forced and contrived.

[GalleryGod]

109. Thanks! I Needed a Name in the "B" column for my IGNORE list!

:puke:

[ibegurpard]

111. I don't think it was a slip-up

And I have no problem with it whatsoever...As long as he doesn't pull a "Bullworth" and start doing things like that all the time.