Tinfoil: Remeber that NYC plane crash right after 9-11 that hit a school?

[IranianDemocrat]

Does anyone know what was the cause of that? Could it have been terrorism?

[beawr]

1. No

I believe that part of the tail fell off.

[Algorem]

7. I hate it when that happens.

[cthrumatrix]

8. I read that 5 papers were to announce their Gore recount (victory in Flor)

I guess it was a 'second or third story' after that....just a coincidence.

[Silverhair]

10. They did announce their recounts.

All of them found that Bush won by a very small margin.

[cthrumatrix]

11. I don't think that is true...they announced a month later...Gore would

have won.

I think we might need a link here. It doesn't really matter at this point.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

17. No, they did not

"All of them found that Bush won by a very small margin."

Sorry, the opposite is true.

"All of them found that Gore won by a very small margin. - when all the votes were counted."

No more revisionism!!!

[bobbieinok]

18. that's wrong

USA was first and their headline said W won. You had to read the whole article to see that Gore won in 4 of 5 scenarios - and that one W win was really far out.

But the headline stuck in people's minds, which was the whole point of treating the story that way.

Also the FL report was supposed to be published 9-11 or 9-12 (?). There was talk of not publishing anything at all because of course '9-11 changed everything.'

There were lots of complaints so the report was finally released in a way to totally obscure what had really happened.

[Silverhair]

22. The USA headline is what I remember. I don't feel like

researching it as it is a technical point anyway. If the butterfly ballot had not been confusing, those votes alone would have made the difference on the first count and given a clear Gore victory. Some obvious statistical analysis shows that, but the rules state that you have to go with the actual ballot as it is marked. After that, it gets confusing depending on what rules one uses for the recount. For example - does one count the military abscentee ballots that weren't postmarked? (Not being postmarked on the day of mailing is common for military post offices. So the postmark is put on later, at a stateside post office.)

[foreigncorrespondent]

2. It is funny you bring this up.

I was just thinking about it myself the other day.

Of course when 9/11 happened, and then subsequent plane crash, I was in the U.S. I remember that morning all to well. I was up before my partner, turned on the tv and saw it. With that I raced into the bedroom and woke my partner up and my exact words to her were; "They are at it again. A plane went down in NYC."

They did say that a part of the tail fell off the plane, but I also remember witnesses talking about an explotion just prior to the crash. So who knows?

[SheilaT]

3. Use google.

I easily found this link. It's the National Transportation Safety Board report on the accident (American Airlines flight 587, November 12, 2001.

http://www.ntsb.gov/speeches/carmody/cc021029.htm Be sure to also click on the links at the bottom of the page.

There's also plenty of other nonsense on the internet, but you can do your own search for that.

[pocoloco]

4. flight 800 also questionable

[TolstoyAndy]

5. fr JFK to the Caribbean somewhere ?

On a Monday, in Nov? (it was trash day, iirc, so Monday...)

Wasn't that the day the NORC (sp?) assessment/recount of the FL 2000 ballots came out?

What a coincidence that a plane should crash on NY that day and absorb all news resources for several days.

Will coincidences never cease?!

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

20. Dominican Republican

If I recall correctly...

[WillyT]

6. Have You Read This ???

The Mystery Of Flight 587 - The FBI Will Never Find The
Terrorist Who Caused the Crash

Link: http://www.rense.com/general17/terrcc.htm

Now it's from Rense.com, which many find highly suspect, but the dude supposedly worked for NASA, and on various aviation accidents, so...

Take from it what you will.

:shrug:

[giantrobot_2000]

9. ...

"Now it's from Rense.com, which many find highly suspect, but the dude supposedly worked for NASA..."

Do you live in near Brooklyn? There's a bridge I want to sell you.

[WillyT]

19. Hey Noah, Did You Even Bother To Read It ???

Hmmmmm...

:shrug:

[Lost4words]

12. hasn't been determined.

the aircraft went into a horizontal (flat spin) after the pilots added power to try to regain control. Both the engines were torn off by centrifugal force. the plane crashed with people still in their seats, on passenger still holding an infant so the plane went straight down flat.

Small damage area on the ground for such a large plane, usually they hit and slide making a much larger damage area, not this one. the tail tore off due to the lateral stresses on the tail when the plane spun.

One of the few things that could cause this would be a thrust reverser deployment at full power. Basically one engine was pushing the plane forward the other was pushing backward. This has caused other crashes in the past.

the plane was at a location of the airport where access would have been fairly easy the night before the flight. For someone who knew what they were doing, sabatoge would not be difficult.

Investigations focused on the tail as the problem, it wasn't the tail.

My suspicion was that it was caused by sabotage on the ground. or a mechanical failure.

they seemed to quiet this one down quite abet.

I am suspicious of flight 800 also, to many witnesses that saw a streak going toward the 747. I am not sure if it is true but I have read that flt 800 had a gold shipment on board that was not recovered.

Would be a nice way to fund a covert operations organization if you ask me

Do I think Bushco would do this to insure their power grab? You can bet your ass I do, on booth counts.

[Lost4words]

13. sabotage, read my post #12

[nostamj]

14. btw, it did not hit a school

landed in a residential neighborhood

[Corgigal]

15. sabotage

Nice to read I'm not the only one who goes along with that line of thinking. Can't imagine two commercial pilots doing an error like that. I guess even the FAA can't do the "dead" pilot error on this one yet. Hard to imagine them hitting the thruster.

[Flightful]

16. Airbus has a history of that

Not a pilot error, Airbus A310s have had documented occurrences of uncommanded asymetric thrust reverser deployment.

[Kellanved]

26. but suposedly the issues have been adressed before this crash

Then again Boeing never seemed to get the issue resolved in it's machines either.

Was the reverse thrust theory ever confirmed?

[Paragon]

21. Another vote for a separate Tinfoil Hat/Conspiracies forum

Thanks for your support.

[DrWeird]

23. You mean where they said: "Don't worry, it's not terrorism...

the tail just fell off?"

[Silverhair]

24. Occasional airling crashes have been common for decades.

I remember, when I was much younger, that a couple of airliners hit each other over NYC. Sometime in the 1950's if I remember right. For decades there seems to be a couple of airline accidents every year. They were accepted as accidents. Now it seems that every airline accident bring out a horde of tinfoil hatters.

Do airling accidents no longer happen? Does that mean that all of those crashes for well over 50 years of my memory of airling accidents weren't accidents? How about on of the tinfoil people taking a look at the huge cumulative number of accidents in the past half century?

When did those accidents stop being accidents and every one becoming the victim of an evil plot?

[louis-t]

25. Probably the strangest coincidence about that crash...

remember the police officer who spoke at one of the benefits saying "I have a message for Osama Bin Laden: you can kiss my ass. My name is officer so and so and I live in Rockaway (sp)." That is exactly where the plane crashed a couple of days later.