What's your favorite Catholic Holy Order?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

Poll question: What's your favorite Catholic Holy Order?

[emad]

1. Order as in Commandments? "Thou shalt not covet thy

neighbour's ass"?????

[MercutioATC]

2. Trappists...they make good beer.

Chimay!

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

4. And jam!

[MercutioATC]

7. Never had the jam...it's good?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

13. Its very good. Its made by the same brother who's been at it for 30 odd

years.

See here:

http://www.spencerabbey.org/preserves/info1.html

[MercutioATC]

14. Looks yummy.

I'll have to order some.

[MissAnnThrope]

40. It's Amazing

And they seem to be the only ones who can make decent boysenberry preserves.

They get my vote just because of that.

[Padraig18]

47. And nice coffins, too!

http://www.trappistcaskets.com/index.html

[GOPisEvil]

3. Sisters of Mercy of the Incarnate Word

Big on health care and education, especially for the indigent and women.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

5. I'll have to check them out and see if they need some help

thanks!

[GOPisEvil]

8. They need hep alright...

...they seem to keep hiring idiots to run their healthcare corporation. I believe it's called Christus/Santa Rosa, or some such thing now.

They also founded The University of the Incarnate Word. It started out as primarily a nursing college for women, but has grown a lot over the years.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

11. Thanks, man

I'll see if there isn't a way to help in their efforts - bring it up at church or something!

[Screaming Lord Byron]

6. Pshaw! Lousy Jim Steinman-produced '80s goth pomp-rock!

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

10. agreed and THEY helped no one!

:)

[nuxvomica]

9. I was taught by Franciscans in college

But in grade school I was taught by the School Sisters of Notre Dame and in high school by the Sisters of St. Joseph. I am partial to the Franciscans cuz of their prayer:

Lord, make me an instrument of Your peace.
Where there is hatred, let me sow love;
where there is injury, pardon;
where there is doubt, faith;
where there is despair, hope;
where there is darkness, light;
and where there is sadness, joy.

O, Divine Master,
grant that I may not so much seek
to be consoled as to console;
to be understood as to understand;
to be loved as to love;
for it is in giving that we receive;
it is in pardoning that we are pardoned;
and it is in dying that we are born to eternal life.

Besides being a wonderful sentiment, it makes good use of juxtaposition. :-)

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

12. It is because of Franciscans (Cauchin Friars) that I am Catholic

Very liberal, loving and true to the original church!

[Rhiannon12866]

49. Thank you. That was lovely

And very reassuring. :-)

[DemBones DemBones]

54. It's a favorite prayer of mine, too. St. Francis is

(logically enough) my favorite saint, too, though St. Teresa of Avila is a close second.

The first time I went to Italy, I made a point to go to Assisi and pray at the tomb of St. Francis. It was a very emotional experience, kneeling at the tomb of that great Christian.

[underpants]

15. Mackerel

[terrya]

16. I'm glad you didn't include Opus Dei in your choices, CStT.

I'd be shocked if anyone actually selected it. :-)

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

18. Opus Dei isn't a Holy Order.

Its a personal praelature (sp?)

Which means it is a "floating" parish directly overseen by the pope.

And its shady as hell - pun intended!

[terrya]

30. Ooops. My bad.

Thanks for the clarification. :-)

[UrbScotty]

28. Opus Dei exists?

I read about it in The Da Vinci Code, but I didn't know if it existed.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

31. the Da Vinci code is fiction

Opus Dei is not - though it is often misrepresented

[noonwitch]

17. St. Francis was a good guy who loved nature, so I'll go with his order

But the Jesuits are the ones who found schools everywhere and have the reputation for being more modern thinkers than the other orders, so they get a little credit for that.

The Dominicans are named for the guy who brought on the Crusades and the slaughter of the Cathars.

I read a little about the Benedictines and their primary rule being one of simplicity.

Still, St. Francis was my kind of nut, preaching to the animals and living a life of harmony and balance with nature.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

19. St Dominic didn't start the Crusades - thats wrong

he did battle "the Albegensian Heresy" If I remember correctly the Albigensians didn't believe in the divinity of Christ

[Mrs. Overall]

23. Dominic did not have anything to do with the Crusades--

He was instrumental in starting the University system in Europe and encouraged the cloistered groups to send their members into the world to be of practical service. The Dominicans are known as the teaching order and predominantly run schools and some hospitals.
Dominic and Francis were both "mendicants" or wanderers, who preached to the masses without using the pulpit in a church.
A Dominican priest, however, was instrumental in the Inquisition, but the order, on the whole, has always been progressive.

I am a former Dominican and I found them to be quite liberal, committed to social justice, outspoken, and prayerful. I attended my first protest marches (against nukes) as a Dominican.

On Edit: Sorry, Chavez, I meant to respond to noonwitch!

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

27. The Dominicans are known as the Order of Preachers

and st Dominic is associated with the popularization of the rosary (so I dig him very much)

[noonwitch]

33. The Albigensian crusade was the slaughter of thousands of innocents

The Cathars were the religious order that the church was persecuting. The Cathars believed in dual gods-a good god and an evil god. The church considered them heretics and killed not only all of them, but their own folk that lived in the same cities as the Cathars. Dominic was personally involved. One of the prelates who went with the catholic-sponsored troops is the one who coined the saying "Kill them all and let God sort them out" when soldiers objected to having to kill fellow Catholics in order to annihilate the Cathars.

The Dominicans ran the Inquisition. Torquemada was a dominican.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

34. Yes indeed

but saying Dominic started the crusades is wrong - thats all

[MaryBear]

20. Jesuits tend

to THINK.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

21. Carmelites tend

to pray

[MaryBear]

24. Um,

maybe I should have said they tend to think and pray? I enjoy the intellect and scholarship of most Jesuits.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

26. agreed

[Commie Pinko Dirtbag]

35. And that's why the Jesuits win. (nt)

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

46. Oh I see!

:)

[nini]

22. Franciscans or Jesuits..

they're what the faith is all about.

[Bunny]

25. My Dad often said that I should join the Carmelites,

because they don't speak. Theyre cloistered and they have a convent very near where I live.

[Guy Fawkes]

29. The Holy Order of the Knights of the Templar

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

32. Holy Orders is a Sacramental thing

The Knights Templar were not a Holy Order - more like the Knights of Colombus who actually used their swords

[Guy Fawkes]

41. The Knights Templar were hella a holy order!

Why do you think they were called "The Holy Order of the Knights Templar"?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

44. I stand corrected - you are right

they were the first military order - thus they got the gospel message wrong

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14493a.htm

[Khephra]

50. "they were the first military order - "

"thus they got the gospel message wrong"

Oh man, how much do you really know about the Templars?

They were originally created to protect Pilgrims from those who would kill them on the way to the Holy Land. How in the heck is that getting the gospel wrong?

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

51. Well - this is my own take - I feel that the gospel calls us to passivism

Explain how I'm wrong

[Khephra]

52. Well...if we are to talk about violence and the Church

I'm sure we could be talking all day/night splitting hairs about who did what first, to tell you the truth.If you believe that you are called to "passivism" then you'll hear nothing back from me. I'm close to the Quaker line of belief when it comes to violence.

My major problems with modern Christianity is Evangelism. I'm a Gnostic, but I don't try to convert others, so I believe to each their own. That's my creed: find your faith and God will judge whether or not you are wrong or not.

[ChavezSpeakstheTruth]

53. I am a catholic in the tradition of Dorothy Day and St Francis- and I will

NEVER evangelize as I also am a believer in one of the main tenants of Vedanta theory - that all religions and spiritualities aim at the same goal - unitive knowledge of God.

I would like to learn more about the Templars - have any suggestions?

[redqueen]

36. Went with the Jesuits

but probably shouldn't have answered, since I really don't know enough about many of the others. But what I know of the Jesuits, I like.

[5thGenDemocrat]

37. Franciscans

As a Catholic kid, I've always thought it was cool that I share my birthday with St Francis of Assisi (October 4). My buddy Mike B's mom is a first-generation American whose parents both came from just outside Assisi, and she lights a candle and says a prayer for me every year on his feast day (and probably several other days besides).
Mom was going to name me Francis, but there were family obligations to consider with my given name, so I'm "John" after a great-grandfather, and "Joseph" after a great-uncle.
Anyhow, I've always thought St Francis of Assisi was one of the very coolest of the Catholic saints and it's probably because of him, rather than any particular doctrine or teaching, that I still consider myself a Catholic -- however poor a one.
John
I share my birthday with Charlton Heston, too -- but what the hell are you going to do?

[DemBones DemBones]

55. Hey, John! Good to see you!

That's cool that your birthday is Francis's feast day. (Condolences about sharing it with Heston -- we all have our cross to bear, don't we?)

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42. Holy Shit!

He's alive!!!

[UrbScotty]

39. In nomine poppy, et dubya, et spiritu agnew. Amen.

Hail, Ronald, Full of Greed,
Caspar Weinberger is with thee.
Overrated art thou among Presidents, and
Overrated is the Son of Thy Vice President, Dubya.
Holy Ronald, Father of the GOP,
Help us pay for your sinning,
Now and at the hour Dubya leaves office. Amen.

[ScreamingMeemie]

48. My personal favorite...Our Favre, who art in Lambeau...

Our Favre,
Who art in Lambeau,
Hallowed be thine arm.
The bowl will come,
It will be won.
In New Orleans as it is in Lambeau.
And give us this Sunday,
Our weekly win.
And give us many touchdown passes.
But do not let others pass against us.
Lead us not into frustration,
But deliver us to Bourbon street.
For thine is the MVP, the best of the NFC, and the glory of the
Cheeseheads,
now and forever.

Go get 'em

[jdonaldball]

43. Templars

Son of the Widow.

[Lydia Leftcoast]

45. Maryknoll!

They did fantastic work with the poor in Latin America and other places.