CATS! How much patience is one expected to have with them?

[BikeWriter]

Poll question: CATS! How much patience is one expected to have with them?

Mama cat found her way into my home through a broken window in a bedroom I don't use. I found the three kittens a couple of weeks ago and trapped her.
No no-kill shelter nearby would accept them so against my better judgement I decided to try to keep them until I could find homes. I bought food, flea spray, kitty litter, and bombs for the fleas my home is now infested with.
I'd been reluctant to trust her though she seemed calm enough. Today I decided I had to find out sometime if I could handle her, if I could get a collar on her I could let her out of the cage to clean it more easily.
One bitten thumb and two clawed and bitten arms later... Yes, she kicked my bad ass! I wasn't using deadly force, but she was! Conclusion: Mama Cat only acts like a calm cat until she can reach meat. I'm sitting here bleeding and losing my patience with her. Your opinion?

[davidinalameda]

1. she just dropped a litter

how would you feel

let her out of the cage and let her set up shop with the little ones

she'll come around

[BikeWriter]

5. Hell, if I let her out she may kill me!

[BikeWriter]

2. I'm having a drink of some painkiller. Ain't never a horse that couldn't..

be rode, nor a cowboy that couldn't be throwed! I think I can collar that cat before she kills me!

[kerry-is-my-prez]

3. Let her come to you. I had a cat that was worse who now cuddles w/us.

This cat bit me AND was acting like something out of the exorcist. It took several months.

YOu have to let them come up to you in their own time.

[BikeWriter]

7. That's easy for you to say, I'm still bleeding.

[jobycom]

4. Don't try to put a collar on her

Can she get out of the cage?

Cats have to get used to a place, and have to adjust on their own terms. I've moved with cats before, and I had one that wouldn't come out of a corner of his new bathroom for two weeks, not even to eat. I put his food and litter in the bathroom. If this one is wild it will take longer.

Never try to go to a cat, let the cat come to you until he or she has become familiar. Sit in the same room with her, feed her, talk to her, but don't crowd her. Let her come to like you.

As for collars, i wouldn't be able to get a collar on my oldest cat with two medics and a straight jacket.

[BikeWriter]

8. A straight jacket? For me or her?

[KittyWampus]

6. BW, Can I Tell You A Cat Secret? How To Befriend A Cat? Even A Feral One

sit at a distance and don't look directly at their face.

Occassionally blink at them.

You'll notice after a while they will give you the cat blink.

It's like a cat saying "i'm cool where i am and you're cool where you are".

Honestly, i am not making this up.

[davidinalameda]

9. it took my little one nearly 6 months to be comfortable with me

and even now she's still a little skittish at times

she was feral and she was fostered for a few months before I adopted her

but she'll head butt me when she wants her nightly kitty massage and give me love bites

[BikeWriter]

11. This Mama Cat's "love bites" are damned vicious!

[davidinalameda]

67. have you tried sitting down over coffee and trying to talk it out

maybe some nice biscotti

[BikeWriter]

70. Uh, I don't do coffee. I'm not sure if she does. :-)

[BikeWriter]

10. She was cool hanging off my arm and my thumb, too!

[Jamastiene]

15. In a book

I read a long time ago called "The Fur Person" by May Sarton, the blink was known as a cat kiss. It's the way they kiss you.

[BikeWriter]

18. She got me over here, and over there, and all over more than...

any place else... ;(

[Jamastiene]

29. Aaaaah

Maybe try not being so forward. She's a wild cat and a female too. There are rules, you know. Get well soon. :D

[BikeWriter]

32. I'm studying on whether I need a transfusion, and maybe...

a hundred or so stitches.

[Jamastiene]

35. Wow, you must have

pissed her off, royally.

[BikeWriter]

38. She didn't seem amused by my efforts, but I was smiling real friendly...

until she started chewing on my arm.

[Jamastiene]

42. Did you talk baby talk to her?

Sometimes they respond to that.

[BikeWriter]

43. The baby talk stopped once she began making hamburger...

of my forearms and fingers.

[Jamastiene]

47. LOL, Well,

maybe, try try again.

[BikeWriter]

49. Yes'm, I still have a few fingers left. I'll poke them in there and see...

if she wants leftovers.

[Jamastiene]

52. Hahaha

LOL :rofl:

I hadn't thought of it that way. I don't know what else to recommend except wait and try again when you heal.

[BikeWriter]

55. If I go ahead and feed her the rest of them now my prosthetics...

may be fitted sooner. :(

[Jamastiene]

57. Awww.

Yeah, I'd wait. So you can have the rest of your fingers in working condition.

[BikeWriter]

61. Do you think I'll be able to play the piano when they heal?

[Arugula Latte]

39. Yes. "The Squint" as we call it works wonders.

I have many "squint" conversations with my kitties.

[BikeWriter]

41. Is that anything like the horse whisperers? :-)

[Arugula Latte]

46. I told my husband the other day that I wanted to be a cat whisperer.

That's my life's ambition -- to be as one with the kitties. :D

[BikeWriter]

50. It might work with cats. I don't think it works with horses.

[Jamastiene]

48. Yes.

It's THE best way to kiss a cat.

[BikeWriter]

51. Pardon me if I don't smooch them right now...

[Jamastiene]

53. LOL

[BikeWriter]

56. I'm getting tired. I wonder if it's blood loss?

[Jamastiene]

60. Awww.

Maybe, you need to rest. Drink some juice and eat a chocolate chip cookie. That's what the nurses give you when you give blood.

[BikeWriter]

62. Good idea. I'll drink some whisky.

[VOX]

54. I'll back you 100% on this, cryingshame...

Sharing a blink is an excellent thing to do in befriending a cat. Turning your head to the side slowly every now and then is cool, too: "I am not a threat to you - in fact, let's both just hang out together."

:thumbsup:

[BrklynLiberal]

12. She is protecting her babies from a stranger. Let her come to you.

Don't approach her again. Hold some food in your open hand and let her come to you. Be very gentle and slow in your movements. Let her initiate. I think the collr idea should be dropped. It is not necessary.

Let her just worry abou her kittens for now. Leave her water and food, and just hang out at a distance. Let her get used to your presence and decide when she wants to be your friend.

EDIT: You don't know what abuse she may have had to endure at the hands of a human in the past.

[BikeWriter]

17. You don't know the abuse I've endured, either. She is treading...

in dangerous waters here. She picked the wrong inn. :(

[Jamastiene]

13. Wait a minute here.

You tried to put a collar on a feral cat???? Nah, not happening.

The best thing to do is slowly, yes, very slowly, tame her. You have to teach her that you are not going to try to harm her. She has no way of knowing. See, wild cats have probably had things thrown at them, been yelled at a lot, and been teased by mean people. You have to make friends first.

If you met a person and then tried to handle them not long afterwards, how do you think that would work? See, just have enough patience and think and you might end up with a great pet or something if you want to.

Feed her and sit down and talk to her when you take the food in to her for at least 2 weeks straight, maybe longer. Also, just go in the room and sit on the floor and talk to her. Let her decide when she wants to be friendly with you. Offer her treats by hand when she starts to calm down a bit. If she doesn't take them out of your hand or at least get close enough to smell them, just try for about 5 minutes and then lay the treat down close as you can get to her and sit beside it. Eventually you'll see her start to warm up to you, unless she just doesn't plan on being tamed, which is the case sometimes. Some cats never get completely tame, btw.

[BikeWriter]

16. Well, uh, you see I didn't know how wild she was. A pint of blood later...

I do!

[Jamastiene]

27. LOL

That's priceless. I guess you learned the hard way. Sorry to hear that. Maybe you'll find a way that won't hurt either of you.

[BikeWriter]

30. I used to tangle with most anything that looked at me funny, but...

the last few years I've been mellowing out. This critter hasn't been collared yet, but I'm not dead yet either.

[MadHound]

14. Two words friend, welder's gloves

If you're going to try handling a feral cat, welder's gloves are the ticket. They go halfway up your arm so that is protected, and allows free movement. This, combined with love, patience and food will go along way to taming a feral. Good luck, have fun.

[BikeWriter]

19. Oh, this has been the most fun I've had since I was up in a tree with...

a raccoon! I'm not as young and fast as I was then, either.

[Jamastiene]

28. LOL

Why, pray tell, were you up a tree with a raccoon??? I'm surprised you're still with us if this is a sort of pattern with you, that you find yourself face to face with wild animals a lot.

[BikeWriter]

33. Oh, you haven't heard about the wolverine, yet! I have led...

a wild and sometimes exciting life.

[Jamastiene]

34. Wolverine????

Are you serious??? What happened there?
:rofl:

Well, I have to take my hat of to you for courage. I wouldnt' even try that. I am worse than that kid from "Swiss Family Robinson" following along behind any animal I meet saying "Come here little fella, I won't hurt you." I'm pretty good at taming them too, but mostly have stuck to cats and dogs and a fox and a rabbit through the years.

BTW, you should be honored that she brought her kittens to you. You must have something she can sense that makes her basically trust you somewhat.

[BikeWriter]

36. The wolverine episode wasn't funny. Those things have been known...

to attack and kill grizzlies. This one copped an attitude and dove off a mountain after me and my dogs. The dogs immediately left town for a week's vacation. The wolverine lost.

[Jamastiene]

37. Wow.

Sounds like you won, I take it. The dogs took off though? For real?

[BikeWriter]

40. The dogs didn't come back for almost a week. They were...

sled dogs out of Indian stock. They know about wolverines.

[Jamastiene]

44. Wow

I've never heard of dogs fleeing like that. Wolverines are really ferocious, huh?

[BikeWriter]

45. Wolverines have beed described as the fiercest creature on earth...

I'd say they're almost as dangerous as a human Mama afraid for her child.

[Lauri16]

20. We adopted a feral cat

from the local shelter. She's really a very loveable cat. It took them over 3 years to get her that way. We'll probably never be able to pick her up, but when we sit on the couch, she jumps right up and wants her belly rubbed. It takes time. The only interaction your Mama cat probably had with people was negative. Kudos to you for keeping her! :toast:

[BikeWriter]

22. Well, I haven't had her but two weeks. This reminds me of marriage...

...and I'm considering a divorce! :(

[man4allcats]

21. I got my old black alley cat under similar circumstances.

I didn't have to go through the break-in period that you're experiencing because I got this formerly wild cat from my sister who had taken her in from the wild. The story in that rural neighborhood about this particular cat was that she was originally owned as a young cat by some mean people who mistreated her. Eventually she could take it no more and ran off into the countryside and lived wild. My sister first noticed her after this cat had given birth to a litter. She thought the cat looked hungry and worn down so she would leave food out for her. Of course the cat would never approach her, but she would take the food when she thought it was safe. After some months, my sister was finally able to adopt this cat. She kept her until she decided to move out of state and asked me if I would take her because she didn't want to bring her on the long trip. That is how I came to own this cat. She is getting old now and has lived with me for eight or nine years. The vet estimated she was about four when I got her, so now she is about twelve or thirteen. Though I have always treated her very well, to this day she is still a nervous animal and will run and hide if anyone other than myself enters the house. I lost my senior cat in January to a brain tumor. I think it was almost as hard for Myra (my surviving cat) as it was and, to some extent, still is for me. Now it is just the two of us and though she is and will always be a bit spooky, she is a good old cat. The point of all this is that if you have the patience to deal with her now, you may someday have a really good friend. Best of luck. :-)

[BikeWriter]

24. Well, you see that's a problem. I live alone because I have PTSD...

and depression. My family comes around to see how I am, but they don't try to push me into anything and they generally leave me alone. This cat was an intruder here, and I've already gone out of my way. I'm none too sure we're going to get along now. :(

[Lauri16]

26. Sorry to hear that, BW

:hug:

You never know, in the end you could both help each other. :shrug:

[BikeWriter]

31. That may be easier to imagine once these bites and scratches...

quit hurting.

[man4allcats]

59. Well, that was how things worked out for me, but

each case is unique. Things may be different for you since as you say, you have other issues to consider. In any case, if you don't feel it will work you might want to check out a PetSmart store if there is one in your neighborhood and you haven't already tried them. In addition to selling pet care products, they also provide complete veterinary and adoption services. I'm not sure whether they would take a mother cat with kittens, but it might be worth a shot. I was very impressed with their professionalism and sensitivity not only toward my cat Widget during her treatment prior to her death but also toward me when there was no more to be done except to be humane and end it. You can check out their site by clicking PetSmart. Click StoreLocator to see if there is a location near you. I hope this helps. I don't even know, for those who may be wondering, whether they are a blue or a red business, but they did well by me and my pet. Take care.

[BikeWriter]

64. Okay, thanks for your suggestions.

[barb162]

23. First of all this cat could have been tame once and become semi-feral

SHe was probably trying to protect her kittens, so give her a break, okay? Ferals can be tamed. I have done it. The kittens need to be handled so they get accustomed to humans and then they can be adopted out.

How small is the cage they are in? Usually a nice large cardboard box about a foot high and two feet wide and long should do nicely. Then momma can step away from her kittens when she wants. Why are they in a cage? I know I would try to knock someone's block off if they caged me. See where I am coming from?

Please get on a waiting list for the kittens and momma at the no-kill shelters. Start over and tTell them you found kitties without saying they are ferals. The kittens need to be worked with so they get to know humans.

[BikeWriter]

25. I've already called the no-kill shelter here. They said no way...

I've been getting the kittens out and petting them. I don't want to see them feral or to have them dead. I'll give them to Animal Control before conditions here get bad though. :(

[VOX]

58. This sounds ridiculous, but can you engage her in play?

You know, the usual -- drag a string along the floor, or whatever. Play is the ultimate stressbuster for cats, and it helps immensely in the socialization process.

If this is possible, try to engage her in this way for a 20-minute session. Run the string under some newspapers on the floor to make the game even more interesting for her. Let her catch the string every now and then, and chew on it, as boring as that is for you. Talk to her gently as you go through this process.

If you have the time, try this twice a day. I'd like to guarantee that you'll see a difference in her attitude and behavior, but you never know with ferals. However, bonding during play greatly increases your chances of getting her past her distrust and fear.

Thanks, BikeWriter, for taking her in, even though it's been a hassle for you. :thumbsup:

[BikeWriter]

66. We've already engaged in a rousing game of tug of war...

My thumb and index finger amused her greatly, then we tried the same with my arms. I was juggling her quite handily by that time.

[Blue Diadem]

63. Bikewriter, make sure you clean those wounds really well,

so you don't get any nasty infections. Some scratches can be pretty deep. I just read in the paper tonight about a woman having to be stitched up after rescuing her cat from a house fire. Luckily, the fireman saved her other cats...the poor woman would have been shredded completely if she'd attempted the others too.

I'd give your feral kitty more time. It takes quite a while for them to learn to trust. Just show her gentleness and love and soft talk.
After all, you have been honored..she chose your home to have her babies.

[BikeWriter]

65. I'm considering this more curse than honor right now...

But thanks for the suggestions.

[BikeWriter]

68. Good news. No infection in the cat bites and scratches as yet.

I'm not very worried about rabies. I've had them longer than the incubation period.

[samplegirl]

69. I would leave her out of the cage

and see if you can build some trust with her.

[BikeWriter]

71. Hmm, I was afraid of her trying to escape by destroying sheetrock...

I've never contained a wild one. Hell, she may attack now. :(