Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a joke

[Quixote1818]

How do Madonna the Beastie Boys and Donna Summer get nominated and bands like the Doobie Brothers, Chicago, Genisis etc. etc. etc. etc. not get nominated?



Here is a list of the 2008 Nominees. :wtf:

Madonna
The Beastie Boys
The Dave Clark Five
Leonard Cohen
Afrika Bambaataa
John Mellencamp
The Ventures
Donna Summer
Chic

Here is a link to a list of bands many feel should be in the RRHF: http://www.amazon.com/Bands-Should-Roll-Hall-Fame/lm/R2OV8EN2RTPUC3

Here is a list of a few bands that are still not in the RRHF:




2. Rush
3. Lynyrd Skynyrd
5. Dire Straits
6. Doobie Brothers
7. Peter Gabriel (solo)
8. Chicago
9. Pete Townshend (solo)
10. Black Sabbath
11. Pat Benatar
12. Ben E. King
13: Boston
14. Deep Purple
15. The Cars
16. Heart
17. Yes
18. Joe Cocker
19. Genesis
20. Moody Blues
21. Steve Miller
22. Cheap Trick
23. John Mellencamp
24. Electric Light Orchestra
25. Carole King
26. Kiss
27. Badfinger
28. Def Leppard
29. Hall & Oates
30. B-52s

[triguy46]

1. It seems an oxymoron. Rock and roll is supposed to be about...

rebellion. So we "honor" by having a cheesy awards ceremony.

[flvegan]

2. No, it's half a joke.

Madonna and the Beasties deserve a spot. The HOF has, however, overlooked a good number of performers that deserve a spot as well.

The current noms deserve it, as do the performers you've mentioned.

[AlCzervik]

3. i love Afrika Bambaataa.

I cannot believe Rush isn't in the hall of fame yet.

[Bennyboy]

4. Sorry but your list is kind of lame too....

Only a couple of those bands made any kind of difference at all. I think The R&R HOF has been too easy to get in already. Not to mention it totally neglects bands and musicians that are not really mainstream acts. At least until they die that is, then they get in. (See Jerry Garcia and Frank Zappa).

The Beastie Boys, yeah I can see that. They really broke new ground. Madonna, maybe. John Mellencamp. NO WAY. He is cool and all, but a cookie cutter act.

Dire Straits, I give you that one. Moody Blues and Yes too. Chicago too, they did something different, but really copied non-HOFamers The Sons Of Champlain (ironically it is Bill Champlain that is the lead singer of Chicago now).

But Steve Miller...THE LAMEST ACT IN THE HISTORY OF ROCK AND ROLL? (or as Miles Davis put it "That non-playin muthafucker").


BOSTON? Hey let's just open a lame acts of the seventies wing! We could put em all in there. Kansas, Journey, Bad Company, Steve Miller,ELO (the second lamest act in the history of Rock and Roll), genisis (Biggest egos ever)The Cars (Oh, dear God, did they suck) and the rest of classic rock bunch.

Flame on.

[Quixote1818]

7. It's not my list

That was a list of a few bands that were not in. I just cut and pasted it for some reference.

[Quixote1818]

10. From what I hear Scholz from Boston made a fundamental change in Rock music

I don't know much about it but evidently Scholz influenced a lot of Rock bands.

I will see if I can find an article about it.


Here is one article but it's not the one I originally saw:

His unique Rockman line of guitar amplifiers and effects boxes revolutionized the way professional music has been re corded over the past two decades.

http://www.eetimes.com/news/98/1004news/scholz.html

[abq e streeter]

20. Steve Miller

yeah, a lot of his music was lame for most of his career, but was lucky enough to see the Steve Miller Band in 1969 (opening for Sly!), and they were anything but lame. But yeah, the radio hits were forgettable fodder mostly. Fortunate enough to have also seen the Sons of Champlin; another great, under-appreciated band.

[Le Taz Hot]

22. OMG! I SOOOO agree with you

about Steve Miller. Virtually every song he ever did I can tell you where its ripped off from. And the sad thing is? He was an extremely promising blues guitar player in the 60's. I don't know what the hell happened to him but DAMN he can put out some of the shittiest crap I've ever heard!

[Mendocino]

29. You are right.

Jet Airliner-Crossroads(Cream)

Rock'n Me Baby-All Right Now(Free)

The Stake-Rocky Mountain Way(Joe Walsh)

Book of Dreams sheesh...How about Book Of Imitations?

[Bennyboy]

49. Jet Airliner is a Paul Pena song anyways.....

But Steve Miller is still a nonplayin mothafucker.

[bbernardini]

47. Gee, you're not at all opinionated. Ego, huh?

Why should a band's ego affect whether or not they deserve to be in the HOF? Every live recording of Genesis I've ever seen and/or heard has shown a bunch of guys distinctly unconcerned with ego.

As for the Cars sucking, I take it you don't like tasteful, well-crafted guitar solos?

[Bennyboy]

50. Yeah I love well crafted guitar solos...But the Cars never played one.....

I saw them a bunch and they were always the most pretentious bunch of A-holes who thought they were really something special. THEY WERE NOT. If they were, they would have had a career longer than one or two albums. They were the band Du Jour. (one really good song though....The one they used for Live Aid)

To me that is what makes a band great. A Career that is long lasting, without becoming a nostalgia act. Or without endless comebacks where they play only songs from their albums that made them famous.

Now Genesis...Not my favorite band. Never been a big prog rock guy and I cannot stand Phil Collins.Another guy who's legend and ego far surpasses his actual deeds. Peter Gabriel is a monster and he was right to leave Genesis when he did. And smartly he has never taken part in any "steal your money" reunion tours.

Fortunately or unfortunately, I have been involved in Rock music since the sixties as a photographer and writer, agent, manager,promoter etc. So I have a different perspective than most who sit in the front row. And there is no way that does not cloud your thinking about certain people.

[kwassa]

5. The list will get there eventually

Rock 'n roll has been repeating itself for decades, and I can hardly wait until something good comes along to replace it.

[pookieblue]

6. Donna Summer?

Rock N Roll?

Others bands/artists that are missing from the list...

Bon Jovi, Drivin N Cryin, Metallica, Joan Jett, Alice Cooper, Bad Company, Motley Crue, Ronnie Lane...

all of these rock artists were looked over for the likes of Madonna and Donna Summer...who are NOT rock n roll

[Critters2]

8. That's what I thought, too.

At least Mellencamp is Rock n Roll. But Donna Summer?!

[regnaD kciN]

53. That's because...

...they still haven't opened the Disco Hall of Fame. :eyes:

[OzarkDem]

13. Ronnie Lane, Steve Marriott - Small Faces

another very influential, seminal rock band. How is Ronnie Wood inducted w/ the Stones, but not the others.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dx49xDWnuWc

[OzarkDem]

9. Jann Wenner decides

what an egomaniac.:eyes:

Heard talk of a lawsuit on the radio yesterday. Clevelanders are tired of picking up the tab for the RRHOF while he controls everything, even refusing to have the induction ceremonies here.

[Bennyboy]

11. Sorry, I don't mean to be so harsh, BUT....

The seventies were when music really started to suck. The radio playlists got tighter and tighter, genres were made and artists with things to say were totally relegated to non-commercial status. It all became a formula, a musical Ranch Dressing if you will.
Alternative (Frank Zappa was alternative music), AOR, classic Rock, R&B and so many other genres defined bands and who tehy made music for.

When iw as growing up, we had free form radio, you could hear a Zappa tune followed by a Johnny Cash song. The plate was full, not the same old shit.

[OzarkDem]

14. Agree, it changed radically

I still love the early days of FM radio, you could hear such variety and so many new acts.

[Jack_Dawson]

12. What about Journey?

:hide:

[Quixote1818]

15. WTF!!!! JOURNEY???

Just kidding. Sure, Journey is a much better pick than Madonna for Rock and Roll HF. The list above is not mine. It's just a list someone made of bands they felt should be in the RRHF.

[Jack_Dawson]

16. It's all SUBJECTIVE

That's why I love sports. Whoever wins - wins.

[BlooInBloo]

18. Historical influence is not subjective.

[BlooInBloo]

17. Black Sabbath's not in. 'Nuff said.

[opiate69]

23. Actually, they are..

but the original post still stands, I'd say.

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1515054/20051128/black_sabbath.jhtml

[Danger Mouse]

19. Ha, I don't know about that. Here's some snarky analysis of the bands/artists you mentioned...

Yeah, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame is a joke.
Madonna being nominated is the punchline.
Madonna - her music isn't even rock and roll. it's shitty dance music. i guess 'credibility' isn't all that important to them. but hey, who cares about Genesis, Electric Light Orchestra, or Peter Gabriel? We really need MADONNA in there. What the fuck ever. ELO's 'Strange Magic' is about 100 times better than everything Madonna ever did combined.
The Beastie Boys - again, i question the 'rock and roll' cred...but at least they're more deserving.
The Dave Clark Five - don't know them enough to make fun of them...yet.
Leonard Cohen - one of my favorite artists. listening to 'hallelujah' now...sorry Rufus, your version can't touch Leonard.
Afrika Bambaataa - don't know em.
John Mellencamp - Jack and Diane - his only song that wasn't unspeakably lame. But hey, if MADONNA's qualified, then why not put this loser in, too??
The Ventures - meh. boring 60's rock. guess it deserves recognition. surf music? yawn.
Donna Summer - are you kidding me? no, really. are you fucking KIDDING me? no? not even a little? oh. :cry:
Chic - any band with a name this lame must suck hard.


2. Rush - god i hate that singing voice. i love Dream Theater, but find James LaBrie's voice to be rather questionnable. Multiply that times about 1000 and you'll get Rush.
3. Lynyrd Skynyrd - yawn. seriously overrated.
5. Dire Straits - how are they NOT in?
6. Doobie Brothers - see above comment
7. Peter Gabriel - and Madonna gets nominated? Give me a fucking break.
8. Chicago - 25 or 6 to 4...heh
9. Pete Townshend - Yeah, his one memorable post-who song. No thanks.
10. Black Sabbath - too cool for the hall of fame?
11. Pat Benatar - *snort*
12. Ben E. King - meh
13. Boston - no thanks
14. Deep Purple - meh. meh. ugh.
15. The Cars - hmmm...they're good, but hall of fame?
16. Heart - Hells yes they rock. Magic Man is like one of the best songs ever.
17. Yes - no.
18. Joe Cocker - his rendition of 'she came in through the bathroom window' is awesome. wait, he did songs that weren't beatles covers? his version of 'with a little help from my friends' makes me look for bags in which to barf.
19. Genesis - Yeah, seriously, that's fucked up. MADONNA over GENESIS? Fucking hell.
20. Moody Blues - Hey, I actually like these guys.
21. Steve Miller - haha, talk about an overrated douchebag. If I hear 'Take the Money and Run' on the radio one more time, I will drive an ice pick into my ear canal. The only hall of fame this loser belongs in is the 'no-talent asshat' hall of fame. He would keep Aerosmith company.
22. Cheap Trick - hey, we all liked 'I want you to want me' right? Then Letters to Cleo came along and beat the shit out of the Cheap Trick version. Hey, they had other songs besides that one? Bwahaha...
24. Electric Light Orchestra - One of my favorite bands. What's it doing with all these chumps?
25. Carole King - she deserves to be in, honestly. Before fucking MADONNA.
26. Kiss - :rofl: surely you jest. You know, Reverand Michael Mills used to think Kiss worshipped the devil. He's wrong. No deal with the devil could produce music this bad. If Gene Simmons sold his soul to satan for his music, he should ask for a refund, cause he got ripped off.
27. Badfinger - that sounds dirty.
28. Def Leppard - oh. right. more shitty 80's hair metal.
29. Hall & Oates - This is even funnier than Kiss.
30. B-52s - They were alright, but come on. 'Loveshack'?

[Quixote1818]

27. It's not my list

How many times do I have to tell people this? It was a random list someone posted that I cut and pasted because it was simply there. It gives some idea of a few bands that are not in that were pretty popular.

On Edit: I basically agree with your analysis of those bands. I don't like KISS either however they were pioneers in the rock stage show.

[Danger Mouse]

40. i know it's not...

and my comments aren't directed at you.
:)
:hi:

[HughBeaumont]

28. The first verse of "Strange Magic" is 1000 times better than all Madonna " compositions" combined.

She's the musical version of Buzz Lightyears "Falling . . . with style" when he thinks he's flying. Only unlike Buzz, she'll never come to.

Nominating Chic, Donna Summer, Madonna . . . it's simply a continued giant middle finger toward prog, a genre that's almost required to be hated among dilletante "in-the-know's" of music. Gee, sorry, if it doesn't come from NYC in the 70s, sounds like it's recorded on a four track and is under 2.5 minutes long, I guess it isn't worth a shit.

[Danger Mouse]

41. Prog Rock always gets skipped over.

You like Dream Theater? They are an INCREDIBLE band with a combination of some of the most talented musicians ALIVE, and yet do you think the Hall of Fame would ever so much as spit in their direction? Psh. Too HIGHbrow. We need some Madonna in there. How is Madonna even 'rock' music? It's POP.

[gmoney]

21. I won't argue with anyone from this years list...

It should be the Pop Hall of Fame for the most part.

Madonna is one of the most famous woman in the world, so it only makes sense she's in the Hall of Fame.

The Beastie Boys are known to kick serious ass. Paul's Boutique alone should qualify them.

Donna Summer I'm a bit skeptical about, but again, she was pretty damn huge for a number of years there... and she introduced the referee whistle to the arsenal of musicians worldwide. ;)

[Maccagirl]

25. Madonna should be in the Fame Hall of Fame

She's famous for being famous. Will the RRHOF have a permanent exhibition of her outfits, since her music was a load of nothing.

[HughBeaumont]

30. Famous she is. She's not ROCK by any means, though.

She's the Goddess of all Attention Whores. The only musical precedent that came out of her works wasn't even set by her. It was that of aural vapidity being the norm in popular music.

[devilgrrl]

24. Rock & Roll Hall of Lame.

Half the people in it don't belong there. :puke:

[EstimatedProphet]

26. Haven't we already covered this?

If you don't like it, don't join.

[AngryAmish]

31. Why would anyone possibly care who is in or out?

You do realize this is done so some guys could make money? Cleveland sees this as a tourist trap.


One should listen to music because it makes them happy. If an artist I like does not make this "Hall of Fame" it does not effect me in any way. I do not get money or lose money, it does nothing that makes me either happy or said. It is, in the end, a list.

I like Black Sabbath - they are in. I don't care.

I like Sleater-Kinney - they will never make it in. I don't care.


It. Is. A. Waste. Of. Resources.

Ignore it and it will go away.

[Kat45]

32. The only one I agree with is The Dave Clark Five

They were a good British Invasion band, a good rock'n'roll band who came around, I believe, just after the Beatles. But too many of the artists on the list are NOT rock'n'roll, Makes no sense. Kinda like when Jethro Tull won the Grammy for Best Metal Band.

[bigwillq]

33. Hate if you want but

I feel Madonna deserves to be in the Hall of Fame...she basically redefined what a pop artist is and then reinvented herself time after time and still sold albums, won awards, and continued to have a solid fan base. And plus, she has survived and lasted. Consistency has to count for something.
To me, she is the #1 female artist of the last 50 years.

I agree that the nominating process is BS but I feel Madonna deserves to be there.

[Faygo Kid]

35. Aretha Franklin.

The #1 female artist of the last 50 years.

[bigwillq]

36. I can respect that choice.

:)

I'm a little young so, to me, Madonna had more of an impact on me that Aretha did.

[Kingofalldems]

34. Pleases tell me that the godawful Neil Sedaka

is NOT in the R and R Hall of Fame.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

39. Speaking of which, could Air America please quit playing that goddamn ad!?!

for his greatest hits album. I'm sick of getting that shit in my head all the time.

[WildEyedLiberal]

37. There is virtually NO metal in the rock and roll hall of fame, which is a joke

Why don't they just rename it the "mainstream radio music Hall of Fame"? Metal is a lot more "rock and roll" in origin than Madonna or some of the pop/R&B artists in the HoF, and yet Black Sabbath is the only honest "metal" band inducted as of yet. I don't even like Metallica, but their influence on both metal and mainstream rock is undeniable - where the hell are they? Where are Slayer? Judas Priest? Ronnie James Dio? Considering some of the POS bands in the R&R HoF - ZZ fucking TOP?? - the omission of iconic metal pioneers is just pathetic.

[Adenoid_Hynkel]

38. add the Cure to your passed-over list, because no one seems to notice

Madonna!?!?
WTF are they thinking - she's not a musician, she's a human advertising firm. Her songs have a shelf life of a year, then they go into the dustbin of history and are only played for camp value. I mean really-when was the last time you seriously wanted to hear "Lucky Star" or "Express Yourself"

also ignored by the hall: Television, Brian Eno, Roxy Music, Public Image Ltd and The Stooges

The whole thing is a sham, controlled by RS founder Jann Wenner. Petitions with bazillions of signatures are ignored. Wenner's friends (Van Halen, Madonna) get in on first ballot, while legends like Patti Smith and The Velvet underground had to wait years

[Pacifist Patriot]

42. Oh yeah, another music thread. I'm off the hook!

[Danger Mouse]

43. not so fast, young lady...

:P

[Bluzmann57]

44. Lynyrd Skynyrd is deservedly in

So your article has little credibility. Besides, why get worked up over who is in or out? The Rolling Stones said it best, "All I know, it's only Rock and Roll
And I like it."
Me too.
GO CUBS!

[Quixote1818]

45. Did they get in last year?

I think that list was a year old. It also had Van Halen on it but I took them off because I knew they got in last year.

[Bluzmann57]

46. Yes

Last year. I loved that band.

[Fading Captain]

48. Of course it is a joke

It's a hall of fame for an industry that is almost completely about fame.

What did you expect?

[Kelly Rupert]

51. Chicago not being in is a crime.

Same with Deep Purple, B-52s, and ELO.

KISS is deservedly not.

[KitchenWitch]

52. John Mellencamp is in both of your lists...

[WinkyDink]

54. Watch it; the GD anti-anything-but-politics posters might find you!